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Red Cards & HIA

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  • M mohikamo

    I watch a lot of rugby league.
    They have similar issues, but the officiating operates in a different manner.

    Nelson Asofa-Solomona just about made himself unemployable for a series of similar tackles to the one on the weekend.
    I dont think he was actually sent off this year, but sin binned and reported several times.

    Referee just penalised and/or binned him for each incident, reporting him to the review panel each time.
    Each game as a spectacle was not overly affected.
    The incident went under the microscope at the review, and suspension followed.
    That is a more practical way of officiating.

    The individual player was unable to adjust his technique, and put himself out on the street.

    And there is no interweb thread discussing the inconsistent officiating of red cards.

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    @mohikamo perhaps this is the way, because on the spot punishments clearly don't appear to be working because of the inconsistency and interpretation. Hit them where it hurts, in the pocket and progressively damaging their careers

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        @MiketheSnow

        THEY ALWAYS F'N COCK IT UP!

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          @MiketheSnow said in Red Cards & HIA:

          John Kirwan seems to be turning into Carl Fredricksen from the movie Up.

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            @antipodean after you telling me in the Fra v SA threadre illegal action doesn't get mitigation, this popped up on social, I genuinely didnt realise that*...still hate cards though 🙃

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            *that makes sense, but I do struggle with most of these contacts being accidental so ruling them as foul or illegal doesn't seem right, filth is different

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              its a very clear flow chart and one i try to mentally follow - it actually confused me with regard to the Ireland red card last week though.

              • Given that it was foul play, Beirne was at fault, there can be no mitigation because he was always high and therefore never legal.
              • Therefore red card must surely have been rescinded based on it being not high danger because the impact wasn't too hard - possibly because Beirne was a bit passive in contact (which is usually considered a mitigating factor, which shouldn't be applied!).
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              • D Dodge

                its a very clear flow chart and one i try to mentally follow - it actually confused me with regard to the Ireland red card last week though.

                • Given that it was foul play, Beirne was at fault, there can be no mitigation because he was always high and therefore never legal.
                • Therefore red card must surely have been rescinded based on it being not high danger because the impact wasn't too hard - possibly because Beirne was a bit passive in contact (which is usually considered a mitigating factor, which shouldn't be applied!).
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                @Dodge said in Red Cards & HIA:

                its a very clear flow chart and one i try to mentally follow - it actually confused me with regard to the Ireland red card last week though.

                • Given that it was foul play, Beirne was at fault, there can be no mitigation because he was always high and therefore never legal.
                • Therefore red card must surely have been rescinded based on it being not high danger because the impact wasn't too hard - possibly because Beirne was a bit passive in contact (which is usually considered a mitigating factor, which shouldn't be applied!).

                But it's the vibe. It's Mabo. Yeah, It's the vibe.

                Or more correctly:
                It's media darlings and whinging in the press.

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                  indeed, but 'vibes' is pretty much how most rucks are refereed tbh. In my bones i didn't feel like last week was a red, it felt like an accidental collision, LDJ's one this week felt instinctively red. Hard to get that written down into a process i guess.

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                    Even though he was wearing white? You feeling alright there @Dodge ?

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                      https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360883739/springboks-lock-lood-de-jager-suspended-rest-tour-after-red-card-paris

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                        https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360883739/springboks-lock-lood-de-jager-suspended-rest-tour-after-red-card-paris

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                        @Tim said in Red Cards & HIA:

                        https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360883739/springboks-lock-lood-de-jager-suspended-rest-tour-after-red-card-paris

                        That is ridiculous. WTF

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                          Should've attempted a tackle worn a green jersey.

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                            Seems a bit rough but acceptable if it leads refs to start policing tacklers who lead with one shoulder and wrap with the other arm and also stamping down on other similar illegal techniques like grass cutters. But as it didn’t, even in the same game after Lood’s red, I won’t hold my breath.

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                              Seems a bit rough but acceptable if it leads refs to start policing tacklers who lead with one shoulder and wrap with the other arm and also stamping down on other similar illegal techniques like grass cutters. But as it didn’t, even in the same game after Lood’s red, I won’t hold my breath.

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                              @Smuts most of us stopped holding our breath about 4 or 5 years ago

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                                @Tim said in Red Cards & HIA:

                                https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360883739/springboks-lock-lood-de-jager-suspended-rest-tour-after-red-card-paris

                                That is ridiculous. WTF

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                                @W32 said in Red Cards & HIA:

                                @Tim said in Red Cards & HIA:

                                https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360883739/springboks-lock-lood-de-jager-suspended-rest-tour-after-red-card-paris

                                That is ridiculous. WTF

                                Good grief. We agree. Far too short.

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                                  @W32 said in Red Cards & HIA:

                                  @Tim said in Red Cards & HIA:

                                  https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360883739/springboks-lock-lood-de-jager-suspended-rest-tour-after-red-card-paris

                                  That is ridiculous. WTF

                                  Good grief. We agree. Far too short.

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                                  @booboo said in Red Cards & HIA:

                                  @W32 said in Red Cards & HIA:

                                  @Tim said in Red Cards & HIA:

                                  https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360883739/springboks-lock-lood-de-jager-suspended-rest-tour-after-red-card-paris

                                  That is ridiculous. WTF

                                  Good grief. We agree. Far too short.

                                  🖕dumbass

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                                  • SmutsS Smuts

                                    Seems a bit rough but acceptable if it leads refs to start policing tacklers who lead with one shoulder and wrap with the other arm and also stamping down on other similar illegal techniques like grass cutters. But as it didn’t, even in the same game after Lood’s red, I won’t hold my breath.

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                                    @Smuts said in Red Cards & HIA:

                                    Seems a bit rough but acceptable if it leads refs to start policing tacklers who lead with one shoulder and wrap with the other arm and also stamping down on other similar illegal techniques like grass cutters. But as it didn’t, even in the same game after Lood’s red, I won’t hold my breath.

                                    Oh nice it seems you guys are finally starting to understand why us AB fans are so disillusioned with how incredibly inconsistently this stuff is being applied. Will you accept that Cane and Kolisi should have been both red or both yellow? Or not quite there yet.

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                                      @Smuts said in Red Cards & HIA:

                                      Seems a bit rough but acceptable if it leads refs to start policing tacklers who lead with one shoulder and wrap with the other arm and also stamping down on other similar illegal techniques like grass cutters. But as it didn’t, even in the same game after Lood’s red, I won’t hold my breath.

                                      Oh nice it seems you guys are finally starting to understand why us AB fans are so disillusioned with how incredibly inconsistently this stuff is being applied. Will you accept that Cane and Kolisi should have been both red or both yellow? Or not quite there yet.

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                                      @No-Quarter said in Red Cards & HIA:

                                      @Smuts said in Red Cards & HIA:

                                      Seems a bit rough but acceptable if it leads refs to start policing tacklers who lead with one shoulder and wrap with the other arm and also stamping down on other similar illegal techniques like grass cutters. But as it didn’t, even in the same game after Lood’s red, I won’t hold my breath.

                                      Oh nice it seems you guys are finally starting to understand why us AB fans are so disillusioned with how incredibly inconsistently this stuff is being applied. Will you accept that Cane and Kolisi should have been both red or both yellow? Or not quite there yet.

                                      Maybe. I’m more inclined to think there is a north south bias with world rugby.
                                      Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t out to get you.

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                                        @No-Quarter said in Red Cards & HIA:

                                        @Smuts said in Red Cards & HIA:

                                        Seems a bit rough but acceptable if it leads refs to start policing tacklers who lead with one shoulder and wrap with the other arm and also stamping down on other similar illegal techniques like grass cutters. But as it didn’t, even in the same game after Lood’s red, I won’t hold my breath.

                                        Oh nice it seems you guys are finally starting to understand why us AB fans are so disillusioned with how incredibly inconsistently this stuff is being applied. Will you accept that Cane and Kolisi should have been both red or both yellow? Or not quite there yet.

                                        Maybe. I’m more inclined to think there is a north south bias with world rugby.
                                        Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t out to get you.

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                                        @W32 said in Red Cards & HIA:

                                        @No-Quarter said in Red Cards & HIA:

                                        @Smuts said in Red Cards & HIA:

                                        Seems a bit rough but acceptable if it leads refs to start policing tacklers who lead with one shoulder and wrap with the other arm and also stamping down on other similar illegal techniques like grass cutters. But as it didn’t, even in the same game after Lood’s red, I won’t hold my breath.

                                        Oh nice it seems you guys are finally starting to understand why us AB fans are so disillusioned with how incredibly inconsistently this stuff is being applied. Will you accept that Cane and Kolisi should have been both red or both yellow? Or not quite there yet.

                                        Maybe. I’m more inclined to think there is a north south bias with world rugby.
                                        Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t out to get you.

                                        Well essentially you guys are the north now ....

                                        I look forward to the armbands this weekend.

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                                          @W32 said in Red Cards & HIA:

                                          @No-Quarter said in Red Cards & HIA:

                                          @Smuts said in Red Cards & HIA:

                                          Seems a bit rough but acceptable if it leads refs to start policing tacklers who lead with one shoulder and wrap with the other arm and also stamping down on other similar illegal techniques like grass cutters. But as it didn’t, even in the same game after Lood’s red, I won’t hold my breath.

                                          Oh nice it seems you guys are finally starting to understand why us AB fans are so disillusioned with how incredibly inconsistently this stuff is being applied. Will you accept that Cane and Kolisi should have been both red or both yellow? Or not quite there yet.

                                          Maybe. I’m more inclined to think there is a north south bias with world rugby.
                                          Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t out to get you.

                                          Well essentially you guys are the north now ....

                                          I look forward to the armbands this weekend.

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                                          @Nepia said in Red Cards & HIA:

                                          @W32 said in Red Cards & HIA:

                                          @No-Quarter said in Red Cards & HIA:

                                          @Smuts said in Red Cards & HIA:

                                          Seems a bit rough but acceptable if it leads refs to start policing tacklers who lead with one shoulder and wrap with the other arm and also stamping down on other similar illegal techniques like grass cutters. But as it didn’t, even in the same game after Lood’s red, I won’t hold my breath.

                                          Oh nice it seems you guys are finally starting to understand why us AB fans are so disillusioned with how incredibly inconsistently this stuff is being applied. Will you accept that Cane and Kolisi should have been both red or both yellow? Or not quite there yet.

                                          Maybe. I’m more inclined to think there is a north south bias with world rugby.
                                          Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t out to get you.

                                          Well essentially you guys are the north now ....

                                          I look forward to the armbands this weekend.

                                          I love me a good armband

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