Red Cards & HIA

[Smuts]

The difficulty in reffing the head contact protocol consistently is a feature and not a bug.

It gives losing fans something to whinge about AND a convenient excuse for their team’s loss. Those benefits grow exponentially when their team benefits from a dodgy red card. Now they can claim the moral high ground and continue to ~~whinge about ~~ analyze the earlier reds their team copped in the no nonsense, deeply rational, nuanced and ethical fashion for which they are known throughout the rugby playing world.

[Paul Dubois]

Just read Beauden Barrett's testimony to the disciplinary panel - superb sportsmanship - this is why we love the (real) beautiful game !

[mohikamo]

I watch a lot of rugby league.
They have similar issues, but the officiating operates in a different manner.

Nelson Asofa-Solomona just about made himself unemployable for a series of similar tackles to the one on the weekend.
I dont think he was actually sent off this year, but sin binned and reported several times.

Referee just penalised and/or binned him for each incident, reporting him to the review panel each time.
Each game as a spectacle was not overly affected.
The incident went under the microscope at the review, and suspension followed.
That is a more practical way of officiating.

The individual player was unable to adjust his technique, and put himself out on the street.

And there is no interweb thread discussing the inconsistent officiating of red cards.

[canefan]

@mohikamo perhaps this is the way, because on the spot punishments clearly don't appear to be working because of the inconsistency and interpretation. Hit them where it hurts, in the pocket and progressively damaging their careers

[MiketheSnow]

[mohikamo]

@MiketheSnow

THEY ALWAYS F'N COCK IT UP!

[nostrildamus]

@MiketheSnow said in Red Cards & HIA:

John Kirwan seems to be turning into Carl Fredricksen from the movie Up.

[taniwharugby]

@antipodean after you telling me in the Fra v SA threadre illegal action doesn't get mitigation, this popped up on social, I genuinely didnt realise that*...still hate cards though

*that makes sense, but I do struggle with most of these contacts being accidental so ruling them as foul or illegal doesn't seem right, filth is different

[Dodge]

its a very clear flow chart and one i try to mentally follow - it actually confused me with regard to the Ireland red card last week though.

• Given that it was foul play, Beirne was at fault, there can be no mitigation because he was always high and therefore never legal.
• Therefore red card must surely have been rescinded based on it being not high danger because the impact wasn't too hard - possibly because Beirne was a bit passive in contact (which is usually considered a mitigating factor, which shouldn't be applied!).

[booboo]

@Dodge said in Red Cards & HIA:

its a very clear flow chart and one i try to mentally follow - it actually confused me with regard to the Ireland red card last week though.

• Given that it was foul play, Beirne was at fault, there can be no mitigation because he was always high and therefore never legal.
• Therefore red card must surely have been rescinded based on it being not high danger because the impact wasn't too hard - possibly because Beirne was a bit passive in contact (which is usually considered a mitigating factor, which shouldn't be applied!).

But it's the vibe. It's Mabo. Yeah, It's the vibe.

Or more correctly:
It's media darlings and whinging in the press.

[Dodge]

indeed, but 'vibes' is pretty much how most rucks are refereed tbh. In my bones i didn't feel like last week was a red, it felt like an accidental collision, LDJ's one this week felt instinctively red. Hard to get that written down into a process i guess.