England v All Blacks
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The Tupaea-Proctor midfield combo has played well together in the past.
England will be aiming to bully us up front (see the SA in Wellington example), so it is the forwards that will need to perform. The ABs can set the tone in the first scrum.
@Bovidae said in England Vs All Blacks:
The Tupaea-Proctor midfield combo has played well together in the past.
England will be aiming to bully us up front (see the SA in Wellington example), so it is the forwards that will need to perform. The ABs can set the tone in the first scrum.
When was that?
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@pakman said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Mauss I should have clocked that from the Gary Stevenson reference!
I like him. Not so much as an economist per se. More as a sort of modern-day court jester. He’s like a character that’s jumped out of Brant’s Das Narrenschiff, a beautiful, bat-eared clown in these increasingly feudalistic times.
@Mauss said in England Vs All Blacks:
@pakman said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Mauss I should have clocked that from the Gary Stevenson reference!
I like him. Not so much as an economist per se. More as a sort of modern-day court jester. He’s like a character that’s jumped out of Brant’s Das Narrenschiff, a beautiful, bat-eared clown in these increasingly feudalistic times.
Some of his economics is excruciatingly misguided. But he certainly has found an audience for his performances.
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@Bovidae said in England Vs All Blacks:
The Tupaea-Proctor midfield combo has played well together in the past.
England will be aiming to bully us up front (see the SA in Wellington example), so it is the forwards that will need to perform. The ABs can set the tone in the first scrum.
When was that?
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England v New Zealand
Referee: Andrea Piardi (Ita)
ARs: Luc Ramos (Fra) & Gianluca Gnecchi (Ita)
TMO: Marius van der Westhuizen (SA)
FPRO: Mike Adamson (Sco)
Could be a lottery with this group running the cutter
@Steven-Harris said in England Vs All Blacks:
England v New Zealand
Referee: Andrea Piardi (Ita)
ARs: Luc Ramos (Fra) & Gianluca Gnecchi (Ita)
TMO: Marius van der Westhuizen (SA)
FPRO: Mike Adamson (Sco)
Could be a lottery with this group running the cutterI guess at least it's not an even more incompetent equality hire?
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@pakman said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Mauss I should have clocked that from the Gary Stevenson reference!
I like him. Not so much as an economist per se. More as a sort of modern-day court jester. He’s like a character that’s jumped out of Brant’s Das Narrenschiff, a beautiful, bat-eared clown in these increasingly feudalistic times.
@Mauss said in England Vs All Blacks:
@pakman said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Mauss I should have clocked that from the Gary Stevenson reference!
I like him. Not so much as an economist per se. More as a sort of modern-day court jester. He’s like a character that’s jumped out of Brant’s Das Narrenschiff, a beautiful, bat-eared clown in these increasingly feudalistic times.
A man from 'Atlantis'?
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Bear in mind this is a Borthwick team. If we can get on top, I can't see they will have the belief they have the tools to work their way back. If they get on top, I wouldn't count against us coming back. Basically we're lucky he's coached less resolve into them than Razor has into the ABs.
@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:
Bear in mind this is a Borthwick team. If we can get on top, I can't see they will have the belief they have the tools to work their way back. If they get on top, I wouldn't count against us coming back. Basically we're lucky he's coached less resolve into them than Razor has into the ABs.
ok fair enough , i havent seen that much of the NH sides admittedly ,watch all our games and bits and pieces of the rest , and am probably buying into the hype with their run of wins and being told its the toughest game pf the tour
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@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:
Bear in mind this is a Borthwick team. If we can get on top, I can't see they will have the belief they have the tools to work their way back. If they get on top, I wouldn't count against us coming back. Basically we're lucky he's coached less resolve into them than Razor has into the ABs.
ok fair enough , i havent seen that much of the NH sides admittedly ,watch all our games and bits and pieces of the rest , and am probably buying into the hype with their run of wins and being told its the toughest game pf the tour
@kiwiinmelb said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:
Bear in mind this is a Borthwick team. If we can get on top, I can't see they will have the belief they have the tools to work their way back. If they get on top, I wouldn't count against us coming back. Basically we're lucky he's coached less resolve into them than Razor has into the ABs.
ok fair enough , i havent seen that much of the NH sides admittedly ,watch all our games and bits and pieces of the rest , and am probably buying into the hype with their run of wins and being told its the toughest game pf the tour
Borthwick is a NZ national treasure at the moment.
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Going to be interesting,
Dunno but I do suspect this is a scalp England really want and will be primed , and my concerns are not so much with what they are going to bring , but more what we bring in return.
We got away with patchy performances against Ireland and Scotland where we were good in bursts and poor at other times , I suspect we will need something closer to an 80 minute performance this week.
@kiwiinmelb said in England Vs All Blacks:
Going to be interesting,
Dunno but I do suspect this is a scalp England really want and will be primed , and my concerns are not so much with what they are going to bring , but more what we bring in return.
We got away with patchy performances against
IrelandAustralia andScotlandFiji where we were good in bursts and poor at other times , I suspect we will need something closer to an 80 minute performance this week.We're the same mate.
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The Tupaea-Proctor midfield combo has played well together in the past.
England will be aiming to bully us up front (see the SA in Wellington example), so it is the forwards that will need to perform. The ABs can set the tone in the first scrum.
@Bovidae said in England Vs All Blacks:
The Tupaea-Proctor midfield combo has played well together in the past.
England will be aiming to bully us up front (see the SA in Wellington example), so it is the forwards that will need to perform. The ABs can set the tone in the first scrum.
Our forwards are way stronger than 3 years ago, a much tougher proposition and the scrum is one of the strongest for years.
Bring it on
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ALB is on the bench because he can cover 12 and 13 with wing at a pinch. He had that over Ioane. Should consider himself lucky.
LF going to the wing and Proctor coming in to 13 also tells you a lot about how they now feel about Sevu Reece.
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ALB is on the bench because he can cover 12 and 13 with wing at a pinch. He had that over Ioane. Should consider himself lucky.
LF going to the wing and Proctor coming in to 13 also tells you a lot about how they now feel about Sevu Reece.
@Landers92 said in England Vs All Blacks:
ALB is on the bench because he can cover 12 and 13 with wing at a pinch. He had that over Ioane. Should consider himself lucky.
LF going to the wing and Proctor coming in to 13 also tells you a lot about how they now feel about Sevu Reece.
Massive, massive pinch.
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@Landers92 said in England Vs All Blacks:
ALB is on the bench because he can cover 12 and 13 with wing at a pinch. He had that over Ioane. Should consider himself lucky.
LF going to the wing and Proctor coming in to 13 also tells you a lot about how they now feel about Sevu Reece.
Massive, massive pinch.
@MN5 yes, still a pinch. Just passing on the reasoning.
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@Landers92 said in England Vs All Blacks:
@MN5 yes, still a pinch. Just passing on the reasoning.
Yeah but they have three guys who can cover 12 in Tupea, LF and Ardie. I'd prefer Ioane there to cover centre and wing with that added dynamism that ALB lacks.
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@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:
ALB covers zero metres, missed tackles and yellow cards. Triple threat.
Bring it on
He misses yellow cards?
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@Bovidae said in England Vs All Blacks:
The Tupaea-Proctor midfield combo has played well together in the past.
England will be aiming to bully us up front (see the SA in Wellington example), so it is the forwards that will need to perform. The ABs can set the tone in the first scrum.
Our forwards are way stronger than 3 years ago, a much tougher proposition and the scrum is one of the strongest for years.
Bring it on
@Victor-Meldrew said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Bovidae said in England Vs All Blacks:
The Tupaea-Proctor midfield combo has played well together in the past.
England will be aiming to bully us up front (see the SA in Wellington example), so it is the forwards that will need to perform. The ABs can set the tone in the first scrum.
Our forwards are way stronger than 3 years ago and a much tougher proposition and the scrum is one of the strongest for years.
Bring it on
Whilst I don't know enough about the relative merits of the NZ pack circa 2022 and now, what I can say is that we do not have the pack that can really bully others. That has become something of a tired cliche really. Yeah we have probably two very good back rows available but we're lacking in depth at second row AND have no real enforcer, plus neither of our front rows put the fear of God into the opposition although both are more than competent.
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@Landers92 said in England Vs All Blacks:
@MN5 yes, still a pinch. Just passing on the reasoning.
Yeah but they have three guys who can cover 12 in Tupea, LF and Ardie. I'd prefer Ioane there to cover centre and wing with that added dynamism that ALB lacks.
@MN5 said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Landers92 said in England Vs All Blacks:
@MN5 yes, still a pinch. Just passing on the reasoning.
Yeah but they have three guys who can cover 12 in Tupea, LF and Ardie. I'd prefer Ioane there to cover centre and wing with that added dynamism that ALB lacks.
Sititi covers 13 as well , best distributor in open space in the team
