England v All Blacks
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@Mauss said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Chris-B said in England Vs All Blacks:
It would be interesting to do a detailed season-wide analysis of catching high balls to verify who is best (and worst). Not just a raw score of catches and drops - but, looking at catches in traffic and outcomes compared with expected outcomes - some sort of rational scoring system and commentary.
Unfortunately, it would probably require "someone" to watch all the games again. Maybe he (or she!) can do it next year!
That sounds like an awful lot of work for whoever you’re referring to.
I think a similar misconception is at work in the high ball-discussion. The reality is that it’s not just the All Blacks who are experiencing a high ball-crisis. All teams are currently struggling with defensive kick receipts: Welsh fans are about ready to lynch Blair Murray, Freddie Steward shelled multiple high balls against the Wallabies on the 1st of November, Tom Wright didn’t catch a single attacking bomb against the Boks at Ellis Park, and, for the All Blacks XV, 6ft3 Chay Fihaki couldn’t deal with the England A aerials. Whether you're a tall high ball-expert or a scrumcapped Bok midget, the results will most likely be the same: you're going to drop more balls than you're going to catch.
Right now, if your halfback has a solid kicking game, chances are you’re going to be handsomely rewarded for going to the boot. Quietly, box-kicking 9s have been making a clear comeback: Nic White was crucial for the Wallaby success against both the Lions and the Boks, Reinach’s contestable kicking has been instrumental in the post-Eden Park Bok resurgence, and someone like Ben Spencer, the 33-year old Bath halfback, has suddenly become an important piece within the English attacking puzzle.
Galthié has already been criticized for quite a few selection errors against the Springboks but arguably his biggest one was selecting Le Garrec ahead of Maxime Lucu. Le Garrec’s kicks were consistently too deep at the Stade de France which gave the Boks backfield breathing space. Whenever the kicks were on the money, there was little that Kolbe, Willemse and Arendse could do against the French chasers.
This seems to chime with your analysis:
Check out Penaud's kick chase!
@pakman said in England Vs All Blacks:
This seems to chime with your analysis:
Check out Penaud's kick chase!
Some interesting points in there. I don’t disagree with their take that Penaud is a somewhat lazy chaser but I do disagree with their claim that Le Garrec’s box-kicking was on point. Multiple of his box kicks were quite deep inside the Bok 22; not even Kolbe would’ve gotten there in time. Bielle-Biarrey, who puts in a lot more effort, wasn’t able to reach multiple Le Garrec kicks either.
Also, their argument that Penaud’s lazy chase in the 2nd half – “3 steps worth of effort changed the game” – is not very convincing, as I felt that South Africa pretty much battered the French throughout that game. If it weren’t for that red card, I think you’re looking at a Wellington-type 2nd half for France.
Their point about a changed French kicking game, and how it compounded certain errors in areas like defensive kick receipt, is well made though.
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The Tupaea-Proctor midfield combo has played well together in the past.
England will be aiming to bully us up front (see the SA in Wellington example), so it is the forwards that will need to perform. The ABs can set the tone in the first scrum.
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Storm Claudia is coming. It she strong enough to blow Aura away?
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@MN5 said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:
Like it, but bollocks to 10/15/22.
Hilarious to hear Rieko described as dynamic though.
…..I meant dynamic compared to ‘running in treacle’ ALB
True, gotta love the amount of attacking plays Rieko has been a feature in Vs ALB. What I'd give.
@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:
@MN5 said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:
Like it, but bollocks to 10/15/22.
Hilarious to hear Rieko described as dynamic though.
…..I meant dynamic compared to ‘running in treacle’ ALB
True, gotta love the amount of attacking plays Rieko has been a feature in Vs ALB. What I'd give.
When our starting wingers collide catching a high ball ( having practiced too much midweek ) and go off injured in the first minute and ALB plays the entire test on the wing you’ll be screaming for some Reeks
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Absolutely golden opportunity for England to kick us in the nuts. Let's see if they take it.
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The Tupaea-Proctor midfield combo has played well together in the past.
England will be aiming to bully us up front (see the SA in Wellington example), so it is the forwards that will need to perform. The ABs can set the tone in the first scrum.
@Bovidae said in England Vs All Blacks:
The Tupaea-Proctor midfield combo has played well together in the past.
England will be aiming to bully us up front (see the SA in Wellington example), so it is the forwards that will need to perform. The ABs can set the tone in the first scrum.
When was that?
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@pakman said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Mauss I should have clocked that from the Gary Stevenson reference!
I like him. Not so much as an economist per se. More as a sort of modern-day court jester. He’s like a character that’s jumped out of Brant’s Das Narrenschiff, a beautiful, bat-eared clown in these increasingly feudalistic times.
@Mauss said in England Vs All Blacks:
@pakman said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Mauss I should have clocked that from the Gary Stevenson reference!
I like him. Not so much as an economist per se. More as a sort of modern-day court jester. He’s like a character that’s jumped out of Brant’s Das Narrenschiff, a beautiful, bat-eared clown in these increasingly feudalistic times.
Some of his economics is excruciatingly misguided. But he certainly has found an audience for his performances.
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@Bovidae said in England Vs All Blacks:
The Tupaea-Proctor midfield combo has played well together in the past.
England will be aiming to bully us up front (see the SA in Wellington example), so it is the forwards that will need to perform. The ABs can set the tone in the first scrum.
When was that?
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England v New Zealand
Referee: Andrea Piardi (Ita)
ARs: Luc Ramos (Fra) & Gianluca Gnecchi (Ita)
TMO: Marius van der Westhuizen (SA)
FPRO: Mike Adamson (Sco)
Could be a lottery with this group running the cutter
@Steven-Harris said in England Vs All Blacks:
England v New Zealand
Referee: Andrea Piardi (Ita)
ARs: Luc Ramos (Fra) & Gianluca Gnecchi (Ita)
TMO: Marius van der Westhuizen (SA)
FPRO: Mike Adamson (Sco)
Could be a lottery with this group running the cutterI guess at least it's not an even more incompetent equality hire?
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@pakman said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Mauss I should have clocked that from the Gary Stevenson reference!
I like him. Not so much as an economist per se. More as a sort of modern-day court jester. He’s like a character that’s jumped out of Brant’s Das Narrenschiff, a beautiful, bat-eared clown in these increasingly feudalistic times.
@Mauss said in England Vs All Blacks:
@pakman said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Mauss I should have clocked that from the Gary Stevenson reference!
I like him. Not so much as an economist per se. More as a sort of modern-day court jester. He’s like a character that’s jumped out of Brant’s Das Narrenschiff, a beautiful, bat-eared clown in these increasingly feudalistic times.
A man from 'Atlantis'?
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Bear in mind this is a Borthwick team. If we can get on top, I can't see they will have the belief they have the tools to work their way back. If they get on top, I wouldn't count against us coming back. Basically we're lucky he's coached less resolve into them than Razor has into the ABs.
@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:
Bear in mind this is a Borthwick team. If we can get on top, I can't see they will have the belief they have the tools to work their way back. If they get on top, I wouldn't count against us coming back. Basically we're lucky he's coached less resolve into them than Razor has into the ABs.
ok fair enough , i havent seen that much of the NH sides admittedly ,watch all our games and bits and pieces of the rest , and am probably buying into the hype with their run of wins and being told its the toughest game pf the tour
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@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:
Bear in mind this is a Borthwick team. If we can get on top, I can't see they will have the belief they have the tools to work their way back. If they get on top, I wouldn't count against us coming back. Basically we're lucky he's coached less resolve into them than Razor has into the ABs.
ok fair enough , i havent seen that much of the NH sides admittedly ,watch all our games and bits and pieces of the rest , and am probably buying into the hype with their run of wins and being told its the toughest game pf the tour
@kiwiinmelb said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:
Bear in mind this is a Borthwick team. If we can get on top, I can't see they will have the belief they have the tools to work their way back. If they get on top, I wouldn't count against us coming back. Basically we're lucky he's coached less resolve into them than Razor has into the ABs.
ok fair enough , i havent seen that much of the NH sides admittedly ,watch all our games and bits and pieces of the rest , and am probably buying into the hype with their run of wins and being told its the toughest game pf the tour
Borthwick is a NZ national treasure at the moment.
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Going to be interesting,
Dunno but I do suspect this is a scalp England really want and will be primed , and my concerns are not so much with what they are going to bring , but more what we bring in return.
We got away with patchy performances against Ireland and Scotland where we were good in bursts and poor at other times , I suspect we will need something closer to an 80 minute performance this week.
@kiwiinmelb said in England Vs All Blacks:
Going to be interesting,
Dunno but I do suspect this is a scalp England really want and will be primed , and my concerns are not so much with what they are going to bring , but more what we bring in return.
We got away with patchy performances against
IrelandAustralia andScotlandFiji where we were good in bursts and poor at other times , I suspect we will need something closer to an 80 minute performance this week.We're the same mate.
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The Tupaea-Proctor midfield combo has played well together in the past.
England will be aiming to bully us up front (see the SA in Wellington example), so it is the forwards that will need to perform. The ABs can set the tone in the first scrum.
@Bovidae said in England Vs All Blacks:
The Tupaea-Proctor midfield combo has played well together in the past.
England will be aiming to bully us up front (see the SA in Wellington example), so it is the forwards that will need to perform. The ABs can set the tone in the first scrum.
Our forwards are way stronger than 3 years ago, a much tougher proposition and the scrum is one of the strongest for years.
Bring it on
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ALB is on the bench because he can cover 12 and 13 with wing at a pinch. He had that over Ioane. Should consider himself lucky.
LF going to the wing and Proctor coming in to 13 also tells you a lot about how they now feel about Sevu Reece.
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ALB is on the bench because he can cover 12 and 13 with wing at a pinch. He had that over Ioane. Should consider himself lucky.
LF going to the wing and Proctor coming in to 13 also tells you a lot about how they now feel about Sevu Reece.
@Landers92 said in England Vs All Blacks:
ALB is on the bench because he can cover 12 and 13 with wing at a pinch. He had that over Ioane. Should consider himself lucky.
LF going to the wing and Proctor coming in to 13 also tells you a lot about how they now feel about Sevu Reece.
Massive, massive pinch.
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@Landers92 said in England Vs All Blacks:
ALB is on the bench because he can cover 12 and 13 with wing at a pinch. He had that over Ioane. Should consider himself lucky.
LF going to the wing and Proctor coming in to 13 also tells you a lot about how they now feel about Sevu Reece.
Massive, massive pinch.
