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    I am.

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    Going to be interesting,

    Dunno but I do suspect this is a scalp England really want and will be primed , and my concerns are not so much with what they are going to bring , but more what we bring in return.

    We got away with patchy performances against Ireland and Scotland where we were good in bursts and poor at other times , I suspect we will need something closer to an 80 minute performance this week.

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    Bear in mind this is a Borthwick team. If we can get on top, I can't see they will have the belief they have the tools to work their way back. If they get on top, I wouldn't count against us coming back. Basically we're lucky he's coached less resolve into them than Razor has into the ABs.

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    @Darren said in England Vs All Blacks:

    On form S Barrett is a world class lock, but we haven't seen it for awhile. I'm ok with him playing, but if doesn't perform, then it has to be time to look at other options, as the other locks are looking better than him now.
    ALB is a bit of a joke, my memories of now are coming on and getting carded, I understand we need coverage at 12, but there has to be a better solution. If he comes on, tries too hard and gives away a card again then he has to go.
    I would keep developing LF at 13, he is the only 13 in recent memory to look threatening. Line breaks at 13 have been very few and far between. Procter was the form Super player at 13, but it has not translated to test for some reason.
    Otherwise I think its about the team we all expected.

    Razor just never seems to pick based on any reliable formula as Proctor in for LF shows.. LF should have started there so that him and Tupaea can continue to develop that combination. He had flaws at 13 but was more good than bad there and he was definitely effective in attack.

    For certain players form is a complete irrelevance, they will start if fit. Then, he will pick players for key roles who haven't been in a matchday 23 (or haven't started) for a wee while. It all seems a bit haphazard.

    The idea that he is personally committed to developing 4 players per position is total BS because he tends not to alter his team much unless there have been injuries. The depth is developed as a byproduct of being forced to pick players to replace injured ones, not because he is proactive in switching it up.

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    Forwards are okay.

    Less happy about Proctor and ALb.

    It's going to piss it down with rain and then some in London tomorrow and through to Saturday.

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    @Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:

    Like it, but bollocks to 10/15/22.

    Hilarious to hear Rieko described as dynamic though.

    …..I meant dynamic compared to ‘running in treacle’ ALB

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    @MiketheSnow said in England Vs All Blacks:

    Last November

    What happened to Tele'a?

    That's the 'X Factor' you're missing. His finish for his second try was easily as impressive as DMac's last weekend. He beat three defenders who were in position to tackle him not lunging for him.

    And how easy was Jordan's untouched run-in when BB attacks the line keeping the defence guessing?

    He signed for a japenese club so they decided not to select him.

    Unfortunately BB now either kicks poorly or shovels it along, so if he gets the ball then defence know just to rush up on 12

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    @MN5 said in England Vs All Blacks:

    @Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:

    Like it, but bollocks to 10/15/22.

    Hilarious to hear Rieko described as dynamic though.

    …..I meant dynamic compared to ‘running in treacle’ ALB

    True, gotta love the amount of attacking plays Rieko has been a feature in Vs ALB. What I'd give.

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    Absolutely golden opportunity for England to kick us in the nuts. Let's see if they take it.

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    @pakman said in England Vs All Blacks:

    This seems to chime with your analysis:

    Check out Penaud's kick chase!

    Some interesting points in there. I don’t disagree with their take that Penaud is a somewhat lazy chaser but I do disagree with their claim that Le Garrec’s box-kicking was on point. Multiple of his box kicks were quite deep inside the Bok 22; not even Kolbe would’ve gotten there in time. Bielle-Biarrey, who puts in a lot more effort, wasn’t able to reach multiple Le Garrec kicks either.

    Also, their argument that Penaud’s lazy chase in the 2nd half – “3 steps worth of effort changed the game” – is not very convincing, as I felt that South Africa pretty much battered the French throughout that game. If it weren’t for that red card, I think you’re looking at a Wellington-type 2nd half for France.

    Their point about a changed French kicking game, and how it compounded certain errors in areas like defensive kick receipt, is well made though.

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    The Tupaea-Proctor midfield combo has played well together in the past.

    England will be aiming to bully us up front (see the SA in Wellington example), so it is the forwards that will need to perform. The ABs can set the tone in the first scrum.

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    Storm Claudia is coming. It she strong enough to blow Aura away?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/articles/cj0e3y6yy99o

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    @Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:

    @MN5 said in England Vs All Blacks:

    @Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:

    Like it, but bollocks to 10/15/22.

    Hilarious to hear Rieko described as dynamic though.

    …..I meant dynamic compared to ‘running in treacle’ ALB

    True, gotta love the amount of attacking plays Rieko has been a feature in Vs ALB. What I'd give.

    When our starting wingers collide catching a high ball ( having practiced too much midweek ) and go off injured in the first minute and ALB plays the entire test on the wing you’ll be screaming for some Reeks

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    @sparky said in England Vs All Blacks:

    pick us in the nuts

    They haven't selected any saffas, but I will now be glued to the game.

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    England v New Zealand
    Referee: Andrea Piardi (Ita)
    ARs: Luc Ramos (Fra) & Gianluca Gnecchi (Ita)
    TMO: Marius van der Westhuizen (SA)
    FPRO: Mike Adamson (Sco)
    Could be a lottery with this group running the cutter 🤔

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    @Bovidae said in England Vs All Blacks:

    The Tupaea-Proctor midfield combo has played well together in the past.

    England will be aiming to bully us up front (see the SA in Wellington example), so it is the forwards that will need to perform. The ABs can set the tone in the first scrum.

    When was that?

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    @Mauss said in England Vs All Blacks:

    @pakman said in England Vs All Blacks:

    @Mauss I should have clocked that from the Gary Stevenson reference!

    I like him. Not so much as an economist per se. More as a sort of modern-day court jester. He’s like a character that’s jumped out of Brant’s Das Narrenschiff, a beautiful, bat-eared clown in these increasingly feudalistic times.

    Some of his economics is excruciatingly misguided. But he certainly has found an audience for his performances.

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    @pakman A few years ago, but the Māori v Moana Pasifika in Hamilton. Both are much more experienced now.

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    They have quite classic balance as a combo.

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    @Steven-Harris said in England Vs All Blacks:

    England v New Zealand
    Referee: Andrea Piardi (Ita)
    ARs: Luc Ramos (Fra) & Gianluca Gnecchi (Ita)
    TMO: Marius van der Westhuizen (SA)
    FPRO: Mike Adamson (Sco)
    Could be a lottery with this group running the cutter 🤔

    I guess at least it's not an even more incompetent equality hire?

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