England v All Blacks

Tim

@African-Monkey Yep, absolutely. Was allowed side entry to rucks at will. Absolutely will get penalised for that in test rugby.

African Monkey

@Tim said in England Vs All Blacks:

@African-Monkey Yep, absolutely. Was allowed side entry to rucks at will. Absolutely will get penalised for that in test rugby.

And most sane people knew this would happen too.

DaGrubster

@Tim said in England Vs All Blacks:

@African-Monkey Yep, absolutely. Was allowed side entry to rucks at will. Absolutely will get penalised for that in test rugby.

Savea will play the same way no matter what jersey is on his back.

He shoukd have stayed at 8 as we need perpetual motion in an openside. Not a player looking for his moments and watching rucks.

Beer suited to the bench now and get Paps or Lakai as our 7.

canefan

@DaGrubster said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Tim said in England Vs All Blacks:

@African-Monkey Yep, absolutely. Was allowed side entry to rucks at will. Absolutely will get penalised for that in test rugby.

Savea will play the same way no matter what jersey is on his back.

He shoukd have stayed at 8 as we need perpetual motion in an openside. Not a player looking for his moments and watching rucks.

Beer suited to the bench now and get Paps or Lakai as our 7.

He and BB are holding our team hostage right now

game_film

@African-Monkey Yeah. Been thinking about Cane. He always answered the bell.

ACT Crusader

@BerniesCorner said in England Vs All Blacks:

Lakai has been superb also

Rewatched the game - yes I know I’d usually rather poke my eyes out than rewatch an AB test loss - but wanted to see if my feeling of how we used Lakai or better yet how things just played out was correct.

We used him far too much. This is not a slight on Peter for his high work rate and usage, but he had a disproportionate number of carries because either he had got back into the line quicker or he was just there. It was unusual for how we have used other forward ball carriers throughout the year, even with the mountain of possession we had from England set piece losses and the ball we generated from the ruck.

I think it goes without saying that Lakai would’ve been far more effective if he did not have to shoulder so many carries.

DaGrubster

@ACT-Crusader said in England Vs All Blacks:

@BerniesCorner said in England Vs All Blacks:

Lakai has been superb also

Rewatched the game - yes I know I’d usually rather poke my eyes out than rewatch an AB test loss - but wanted to see if my feeling of how we used Lakai or better yet how things just played out was correct.

We used him far too much. This is not a slight on Peter for his high work rate and usage, but he had a disproportionate number of carries because either he had got back into the line quicker or he was just there. It was unusual for how we have used other forward ball carriers throughout the year, even with the mountain of possession we had from England set piece losses and the ball we generated from the ruck.

I think it goes without saying that Lakai would’ve been far more effective if he did not have to shoulder so many carries.

Agreed. He is a powerful guy for his size but he is not a big guy.

Use his work rate and industry at 7

Tim

@DaGrubster I thought that Savea's best performance was against Argentina when he played 8. More balanced trio.

MiketheSnow

@Devon-Kiwi said in England Vs All Blacks:

The English are the worst team in World Rugby to lose to and we did it so well!

Wales says hold my beer

pakman

@BerniesCorner said in England Vs All Blacks:

What was the yellow for

All the explanations I saw were perfectly cogent in respect of a penalty, but no rationale at all put forward for a yellow card offence. Austin Healy stated that no clean line break so just penalty.

Inexperienced referee spoils game again, although most of home crowd lapped it up.

Meanwhile, multiple dummy runners before Underhill try were worthy of a TMO look for obstruction, but none forthcoming.

sparky

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MiketheSnow

Was working all-day yesterday so didn't see this live.

But thankfully watched it at 1am this morning not knowing the result.

Then read back this thread after watching it.

Lots of the comments aged like milk

YC was absolute bullshit, but like Dodge said England made use of their one man superiority far better and that was more telling than the card itself.

I was gobsmacked when Roigard went off. Any word? Serious injury.

England are inches from unleashing big, big wins against anyone.

NZ as everyone has said need a major overhaul.

junior

@Jet said in England Vs All Blacks:

Scott Barrett on the yellow card "I think its fair".

Razor on the yellow card "its cynical isnt it".

You pair of absolute fucking twats.

Fucking cowards

junior

@Dodge said in England Vs All Blacks:

Lineout was the only area we got smashed, but every time it didn’t seem to result in much as we made metres in defence and attack one out. It’s genuinely weird, I’m not celebrating it, just gobsmacked

A team with more brains would have kicked every possession into touch so they could steal all your line out ball and then kicked it into touch again until they got into your 22

sparky

@MiketheSnow said in England Vs All Blacks:

I was gobsmacked when Roigard went off. Any word? Serious injury.

Robertson talked about this in his post-match press conference. Cam Roigard took a knock before half time. He thought he could run it off afterwards but couldn't run so he signalled that he needed to go off.

No news about the extent of the injury but I'd be amazed if he is involved against Wales.

sparky

@junior said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Dodge said in England Vs All Blacks:

Lineout was the only area we got smashed, but every time it didn’t seem to result in much as we made metres in defence and attack one out. It’s genuinely weird, I’m not celebrating it, just gobsmacked

A team with more brains would have kicked every possession into touch so they could steal all your line out ball and then kicked it into touch again until they got into your 22

In a way that's the most disappointing aspect of yesterday, our team's total inability to react to what was going on around them because of their compulsion to stick to "the master coach's" game plan.

That squad need to go away over the summer and watch some videos of classic All Blacks performances.

junior

@booboo said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Gunner said in England Vs All Blacks:

Beauden Barrett, not once but twice, fucking TWICE missing touch

In BB's defence it was ONCE ... (once too many). Roigard fucked up the second one.

Which points fo the fact BB was injured, and should have been hooked.

For the prosecution, it's not the first time this tour he has done that - indeed, he did the exact same fucked up kick in the exact same filled position against the Paddies.

Jet

@African-Monkey said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Tim said in England Vs All Blacks:

Around 32:30 we nearly scored in the corner, then meekly allowed England to drive us off the ball. See if you can spot a loose forward in these pictures ... Savea stands way off the ruck and looks disinterested. Terrible openside. Absolutely shithouse selection. They never even looked interested in the follow-up ruck after LF was tackled.

The much maligned Sam Cane at his peak would have cleaned someone out there.

Rewatch Crotty try after the hooter that won us the game in Dublin in 2013. The cleanout work is incredible. The Franks brothers made the try. Messam makes a bust down the right edge at one point and McCaw absolutely melts an irish player in the clean.

Watch it. Watch all the unseen stuff. Compare it to what we are served up by the current bunch.

Tim

@Jet said in England Vs All Blacks:

McCaw absolutely melts an irish player in the clean.

Probably wasn't thinking about street-wear colabs when there was the chance of getting to the ruck on time ...

Victor Meldrew

@Jet said in England Vs All Blacks:

@African-Monkey said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Tim said in England Vs All Blacks:

Around 32:30 we nearly scored in the corner, then meekly allowed England to drive us off the ball. See if you can spot a loose forward in these pictures ... Savea stands way off the ruck and looks disinterested. Terrible openside. Absolutely shithouse selection. They never even looked interested in the follow-up ruck after LF was tackled.

The much maligned Sam Cane at his peak would have cleaned someone out there.

Rewatch Crotty try after the hooter that won us the game in Dublin in 2013. The cleanout work is incredible. The Franks brothers made the try. Messam makes a bust down the right edge at one point and McCaw absolutely melts an irish player in the clean.

Watch it. Watch all the unseen stuff. Compare it to what we are served up by the current bunch.

The support work at the ruck/contact is incredible. And watch Nonu calmly waiting for the ball to bounce along to him, taking the perfect line to tie up THREE Irish defenders while Cruden, 16 & Crotty anticipate the space created. A team at ease playing together.

The more I watch Robertson's team, the more I think things aren't right in the camp

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