All Blacks 2025
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Razor apologists, if any still remain, will point at the win-loss column and say "well we can't win them all" and ignore the fact that France C pushed us in the middle of the year, and a full strength France would have beaten us.
The South Africa loss was actually a belting at home.
The Eden Park Bledisloe relied on Australia making a couple of monumental errors and Roigard being the best player on the park. The 2nd Bledisloe Aus were all over us and one momentum killing penalty that rubbed out a try changed that whole game. And Australia are shit.
England dominated us on Saturday, we gave up 25 straight points FFS. And the ABs quit, the vision of the complete lack of desperation on that last try was damning. That's the 2nd time this year that there is clear evidence that heads have dropped so far the boys have given up. Damning.If we are serious, heads should roll. Players, coaches, the lot. Someone make a hard fucking call FFS.
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@mariner4life Just need to look at the form of pretty much anyone from super to the ABs, almost to a man, worse, if that isnt an indictment something is amiss in camp, then i am not sure what is.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@mariner4life Just need to look at the form of pretty much anyone from super to the ABs, almost to a man, worse, if that isnt an indictment something is amiss in camp, then i am not sure what is.
The example of Jordie is even better.
He came back looking a better player and has got worse.
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I understand why Leon left the set up as early as he did. No doubt they were sitting around discussing their philosophy and strategy. He had Scott Hansen blabber on for 15 mins like it was an audition for a TED talk and thought to himself, "this bloke's an imbecile. I can't be associated with this."
I'd like just one journalist ask why our attacking strategy is to stand still rather than running onto the ball. The follow up question can be when do we expect Ardie to do some work?
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@kpkanz said in All Blacks 2025:
And then Scott's captaincy...let alone the fact that he isn't in the top 3 locks in the squad yet is GUARANTEED a start because he was made captain.
While it is a top quality rant I feel compelled to mention that for awhile there, maybe 1 or 2 years ago, Scott really was one of the top 3 locks in the country.
Agreed, he was a logical choice for captain at the time with Retallick and Whitelock retiring.
He's not now, and when situations change so should decisions - although the moustache does lend a certain gravitas.
I don't think Savea should be near it, would prefer just Scott's moustache ahead of him.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
Should probably be Taylor
disagree, Taylor plays with a bit of an edge that i don't want to see dulled.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
Should probably be Taylor
disagree, Taylor plays with a bit of an edge that i don't want to see dulled.
Then who? None of the props. Not sure who the locks are out of Holland, Vaai, Patty T and Barrett. Not sure who the loosies should be. Roigard is a kid and is injured a lot. BB should not be in the squad. Don't know who shouldb e centre, can't captain from the wing and Jordan no way.
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i honestly don't know because i am not sure i would start Jordie either.
And this is what we have created, the old experienced heads have been there too fucking long, and are no longer performing. The leadership group is a fucking shambles.
You are probably right in Taylor being the only guaranteed starter with any sort of experience or gravity.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
Sititi maybe
No. A captain needs to lead by example - not go missing.
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@antipodean part of the problem is these guys will be looking to thier peers (Ardie, SB, BB) and even changing based on how they play....
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
Sititi maybe
No. A captain needs to lead by example - not go missing.
Sititi has been severely mis-managed. Wouldn't it be great if they picked the best 8 in the country - Sotutu - and had Ardie on the bench with Sititi in the squad to learn the ropes instead of being thrown in the deep end. That way we get a quality 8 starting, someone that should always have been a bench impact player in his correct position, and Sititi gets to be brought up to speed to end up taking Ardie's bench spot, and in the future the number 8 spot.
But no, can't have that. Fuck Sotutu for some reason, how dare he be both the best 8 in the country AND a Blues player, the nerve of the bloke. And of course the Ardie stuff has been done to death.
What is clear now is that just about any Ferner would make MUCH better AB coach than Razor. I wish I was joking but the issues with the team right now were apparent to 90% of us on their FIRST squad selection.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
Sititi maybe
No. A captain needs to lead by example - not go missing.
hence the 'Taylor now' and the 'maybe' bits.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
Sititi maybe
No. A captain needs to lead by example - not go missing.
Sititi has been severely mis-managed. Wouldn't it be great if they picked the best 8 in the country - Sotutu - and had Ardie on the bench with Sititi in the squad to learn the ropes instead of being thrown in the deep end. That way we get a quality 8 starting, someone that should always have been a bench impact player in his correct position, and Sititi gets to be brought up to speed to end up taking Ardie's bench spot, and in the future the number 8 spot.
Yes
But no, can't have that. Fuck Sotutu for some reason, how dare he be both the best 8 in the country AND a Blues player, the nerve of the bloke. And of course the Ardie stuff has been done to death.
Agreed
What is clear now is that just about any Ferner would make MUCH better AB coach than Razor. I wish I was joking but the issues with the team right now were apparent to 90% of us on their FIRST squad selection.
Steady on, much easier to criticise behind a keyboard. And just about ANY Ferner?
There's a few loose cannons short of a target here.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
Sititi maybe
No. A captain needs to lead by example - not go missing.
Sititi has been severely mis-managed. Wouldn't it be great if they picked the best 8 in the country - Sotutu - and had Ardie on the bench with Sititi in the squad to learn the ropes instead of being thrown in the deep end. That way we get a quality 8 starting, someone that should always have been a bench impact player in his correct position, and Sititi gets to be brought up to speed to end up taking Ardie's bench spot, and in the future the number 8 spot.
Yes
But no, can't have that. Fuck Sotutu for some reason, how dare he be both the best 8 in the country AND a Blues player, the nerve of the bloke. And of course the Ardie stuff has been done to death.
Agreed
What is clear now is that just about any Ferner would make MUCH better AB coach than Razor. I wish I was joking but the issues with the team right now were apparent to 90% of us on their FIRST squad selection.
Steady on, much easier to criticise behind a keyboard. And just about ANY Ferner?
There's a few loose cannons short of a target here.
Although it is probably time for a new thread: "Next AB coaching team"We would definitely be better selectors.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2025:
(broken record) The most dominant loose trio we have had at Super level in the last 5 years is Akira Ioane, Dalton Papali'i and Hoskins Sotutu, and it's not even close. Not one of those players have had a look in due to this weird fucking anti-Blues bias that these idiot Crusaders coaches have. Then we wonder why our loosies get smacked around every test. These morons made their bed, they can lie in it now. A loss to Wales is needed so we can move these clowns on and try and install professional coaches that don't act like fucking children when selecting their teams.
Remember when Akira's detractors used to use he doesn't run on to the ball as a way to attack him despite the fact he most often got over the advantage line?
He'd be fucking perfect for this team as that's what we do with nearly ever attacking phase, no one runs on to the ball because they're just there to set up a ruck.
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@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 I’d be quite interested in a hypothetical where we lose the series to the Boks, Razor retains his job, and Mo’unga is Beauden level - what happens then?
An absolute plethora of caps that his form doesn't warrant
