All Blacks 2025
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
Ratima is in a funk he cant get out of., He is a shadow of the player he was before he started playing for the ABs. He used to have a dynamic running game which no longer exists.
How many in the current squad have improved?
His kicking game is a weakness, and there is nothing to suggest that he is getting sufficient coaching to turn it into being acceptable at international level.
Our game plan doesn't seem to suit any of his strengths so it's not clear to me why he's there (I haven't watched the Wales game yet).
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
Ratima is in a funk he cant get out of., He is a shadow of the player he was before he started playing for the ABs. He used to have a dynamic running game which no longer exists.
How many in the current squad have improved?
His kicking game is a weakness, and there is nothing to suggest that he is getting sufficient coaching to turn it into being acceptable at international level.
Our game plan doesn't seem to suit any of his strengths so it's not clear to me why he's there (I haven't watched the Wales game yet).
When we get it moving over multiple phases I didn't notice him in a good way. But his box kicks lack accuracy
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 said in Wales v All Blacks:
I don't get the Christie hate we get on here, I think he is ok.
That alone disqualifies you from commenting Dan. He's garbage for all the reasons I've been laying out for years.
And that is a damning indictment on the coaches when Ratima is preferred over him. Just once I'd like to see a journalist ask why Fakatava is below them in the picking order.
Ok, so if I don't follow your thoughts, I not supposed to comment huh?
One way of being right on a forum I suppose, either agree with you or you are disqualified from making a comment.If you're going to be contrarian about a player almost everyone else agrees is not up to standard and shouldn't be selected, it behoves you to tell us what we're missing. What core skills of his position he's playing to the requisite standard.
Otherwise we're not the wiser and I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
I just of the opinion that Christie is not as bad as many make out. I thought he a step up from Ratima , in speed of distribution etc, and could see difference today, I don't think he ever fist choice if I picking the team, but nor would I discount him completely, and do say after seeing the ABXV lay I would probably have Fakatava ahead of him , now, but wouldn't of earlier in year.
And who is almost everyone else, a few here don't like him, which is their right, but doesn't mean I can't say I not that much against him.
Oh just out of interest , are the almost everyone else his coaches at super level and test among the almost everyone?I'm not the only person who can't understand why Funaki isn't the Blues #1 halfback. And given the discontent surrounding the current All Black squad, it seems few have any regard for Hansen's ability to select either.
I get that he's a known quantity, experienced, and some might extend themselves to say he's a safe pair of hands, but in a contest you're trying to win rather than not lose, he's a liability.
No real argument, I must admit I haven't taken notice of Blues 9s enough to argue about Funaki etc, but I quite happy for other posters to see it that way. I was mainly responding to your post that suggested I not qualified to comment, because I had different opinion than yours about Christie.
Don't get too hung up on the hyperbole.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 said in Wales v All Blacks:
I don't get the Christie hate we get on here, I think he is ok.
That alone disqualifies you from commenting Dan. He's garbage for all the reasons I've been laying out for years.
And that is a damning indictment on the coaches when Ratima is preferred over him. Just once I'd like to see a journalist ask why Fakatava is below them in the picking order.
Ok, so if I don't follow your thoughts, I not supposed to comment huh?
One way of being right on a forum I suppose, either agree with you or you are disqualified from making a comment.If you're going to be contrarian about a player almost everyone else agrees is not up to standard and shouldn't be selected, it behoves you to tell us what we're missing. What core skills of his position he's playing to the requisite standard.
Otherwise we're not the wiser and I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
I just of the opinion that Christie is not as bad as many make out. I thought he a step up from Ratima , in speed of distribution etc, and could see difference today, I don't think he ever fist choice if I picking the team, but nor would I discount him completely, and do say after seeing the ABXV lay I would probably have Fakatava ahead of him , now, but wouldn't of earlier in year.
And who is almost everyone else, a few here don't like him, which is their right, but doesn't mean I can't say I not that much against him.
Oh just out of interest , are the almost everyone else his coaches at super level and test among the almost everyone?I'm not the only person who can't understand why Funaki isn't the Blues #1 halfback. And given the discontent surrounding the current All Black squad, it seems few have any regard for Hansen's ability to select either.
I get that he's a known quantity, experienced, and some might extend themselves to say he's a safe pair of hands, but in a contest you're trying to win rather than not lose, he's a liability.
No real argument, I must admit I haven't taken notice of Blues 9s enough to argue about Funaki etc, but I quite happy for other posters to see it that way. I was mainly responding to your post that suggested I not qualified to comment, because I had different opinion than yours about Christie.
Don't get too hung up on the hyperbole.
Fair enough mate.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 said in Wales v All Blacks:
I don't get the Christie hate we get on here, I think he is ok.
That alone disqualifies you from commenting Dan. He's garbage for all the reasons I've been laying out for years.
And that is a damning indictment on the coaches when Ratima is preferred over him. Just once I'd like to see a journalist ask why Fakatava is below them in the picking order.
Ok, so if I don't follow your thoughts, I not supposed to comment huh?
One way of being right on a forum I suppose, either agree with you or you are disqualified from making a comment.If you're going to be contrarian about a player almost everyone else agrees is not up to standard and shouldn't be selected, it behoves you to tell us what we're missing. What core skills of his position he's playing to the requisite standard.
Otherwise we're not the wiser and I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
I just of the opinion that Christie is not as bad as many make out. I thought he a step up from Ratima , in speed of distribution etc, and could see difference today, I don't think he ever fist choice if I picking the team, but nor would I discount him completely, and do say after seeing the ABXV lay I would probably have Fakatava ahead of him , now, but wouldn't of earlier in year.
And who is almost everyone else, a few here don't like him, which is their right, but doesn't mean I can't say I not that much against him.
Oh just out of interest , are the almost everyone else his coaches at super level and test among the almost everyone?I'm not the only person who can't understand why Funaki isn't the Blues #1 halfback. And given the discontent surrounding the current All Black squad, it seems few have any regard for Hansen's ability to select either.
I get that he's a known quantity, experienced, and some might extend themselves to say he's a safe pair of hands, but in a contest you're trying to win rather than not lose, he's a liability.
It puzzles me as to why Cotter preferred Christie and BB over Funaki and Plummer. Are we just not seeing something, or was Cotter slurping the cool aid, and he got lucky when injuries struck and he won with Plummer at the helm the year before? Of course I realise BB was in Japan
Christie because he suits the close game plan, BB because Plummer was leaving and BB signed on until 2027?
To me playing BB over Plummer because one is leaving is not a good excuse. You are trying to win a SR title and need to play the best. And it's not like BB was a young up and comer needing reps
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 said in Wales v All Blacks:
I don't get the Christie hate we get on here, I think he is ok.
That alone disqualifies you from commenting Dan. He's garbage for all the reasons I've been laying out for years.
And that is a damning indictment on the coaches when Ratima is preferred over him. Just once I'd like to see a journalist ask why Fakatava is below them in the picking order.
Ok, so if I don't follow your thoughts, I not supposed to comment huh?
One way of being right on a forum I suppose, either agree with you or you are disqualified from making a comment.If you're going to be contrarian about a player almost everyone else agrees is not up to standard and shouldn't be selected, it behoves you to tell us what we're missing. What core skills of his position he's playing to the requisite standard.
Otherwise we're not the wiser and I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
I just of the opinion that Christie is not as bad as many make out. I thought he a step up from Ratima , in speed of distribution etc, and could see difference today, I don't think he ever fist choice if I picking the team, but nor would I discount him completely, and do say after seeing the ABXV lay I would probably have Fakatava ahead of him , now, but wouldn't of earlier in year.
And who is almost everyone else, a few here don't like him, which is their right, but doesn't mean I can't say I not that much against him.
Oh just out of interest , are the almost everyone else his coaches at super level and test among the almost everyone?I'm not the only person who can't understand why Funaki isn't the Blues #1 halfback. And given the discontent surrounding the current All Black squad, it seems few have any regard for Hansen's ability to select either.
I get that he's a known quantity, experienced, and some might extend themselves to say he's a safe pair of hands, but in a contest you're trying to win rather than not lose, he's a liability.
It puzzles me as to why Cotter preferred Christie and BB over Funaki and Plummer. Are we just not seeing something, or was Cotter slurping the cool aid, and he got lucky when injuries struck and he won with Plummer at the helm the year before? Of course I realise BB was in Japan
Christie because he suits the close game plan, BB because Plummer was leaving and BB signed on until 2027?
To me playing BB over Plummer because one is leaving is not a good excuse. You are trying to win a SR title and need to play the best. And it's not like BB was a young up and comer needing reps
Yep, but we don't know if that was why he was played, isn't that just speculation by a poster?
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
Ratima is in a funk he cant get out of., He is a shadow of the player he was before he started playing for the ABs. He used to have a dynamic running game which no longer exists.
How many in the current squad have improved?
His kicking game is a weakness, and there is nothing to suggest that he is getting sufficient coaching to turn it into being acceptable at international level.
Our game plan doesn't seem to suit any of his strengths so it's not clear to me why he's there (I haven't watched the Wales game yet).
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
His kicking game is a weakness, and there is nothing to suggest that he is getting sufficient coaching to turn it into being acceptable at international level.
OK, I'll go off on my rant.
I do not understand how professional players can spend years as full time pros and not develop their kicking and passing skills.
It's literally what you are paid to do. Twenty minutes a day, every day would over time lift the skills. I do not see the players putting in the effort and coaches don't seem to expect it. In a skill based game like rugby it should be a fundamental as the gym -but it appears to just get ignored
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
His kicking game is a weakness, and there is nothing to suggest that he is getting sufficient coaching to turn it into being acceptable at international level.
OK, I'll go off on my rant.
I do not understand how professional players can spend years as full time pros and not develop their kicking and passing skills.
It's literally what you are paid to do. Twenty minutes a day, every day would over time lift the skills. I do not see the players putting in the effort and coaches don't seem to expect it. In a skill based game like rugby it should be a fundamental as the gym -but it appears to just get ignored
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
His kicking game is a weakness, and there is nothing to suggest that he is getting sufficient coaching to turn it into being acceptable at international level.
OK, I'll go off on my rant.
I do not understand how professional players can spend years as full time pros and not develop their kicking and passing skills.
It's literally what you are paid to do. Twenty minutes a day, every day would over time lift the skills. I do not see the players putting in the effort and coaches don't seem to expect it. In a skill based game like rugby it should be a fundamental as the gym -but it appears to just get ignored
It would cut into the instagram time too much
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 said in Wales v All Blacks:
I don't get the Christie hate we get on here, I think he is ok.
That alone disqualifies you from commenting Dan. He's garbage for all the reasons I've been laying out for years.
And that is a damning indictment on the coaches when Ratima is preferred over him. Just once I'd like to see a journalist ask why Fakatava is below them in the picking order.
Ok, so if I don't follow your thoughts, I not supposed to comment huh?
One way of being right on a forum I suppose, either agree with you or you are disqualified from making a comment.If you're going to be contrarian about a player almost everyone else agrees is not up to standard and shouldn't be selected, it behoves you to tell us what we're missing. What core skills of his position he's playing to the requisite standard.
Otherwise we're not the wiser and I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
I just of the opinion that Christie is not as bad as many make out. I thought he a step up from Ratima , in speed of distribution etc, and could see difference today, I don't think he ever fist choice if I picking the team, but nor would I discount him completely, and do say after seeing the ABXV lay I would probably have Fakatava ahead of him , now, but wouldn't of earlier in year.
And who is almost everyone else, a few here don't like him, which is their right, but doesn't mean I can't say I not that much against him.
Oh just out of interest , are the almost everyone else his coaches at super level and test among the almost everyone?I'm not the only person who can't understand why Funaki isn't the Blues #1 halfback. And given the discontent surrounding the current All Black squad, it seems few have any regard for Hansen's ability to select either.
I get that he's a known quantity, experienced, and some might extend themselves to say he's a safe pair of hands, but in a contest you're trying to win rather than not lose, he's a liability.
It puzzles me as to why Cotter preferred Christie and BB over Funaki and Plummer. Are we just not seeing something, or was Cotter slurping the cool aid, and he got lucky when injuries struck and he won with Plummer at the helm the year before? Of course I realise BB was in Japan
Christie because he suits the close game plan, BB because Plummer was leaving and BB signed on until 2027?
To me playing BB over Plummer because one is leaving is not a good excuse. You are trying to win a SR title and need to play the best. And it's not like BB was a young up and comer needing reps
Yep, but we don't know if that was why he was played, isn't that just speculation by a poster?
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 said in Wales v All Blacks:
I don't get the Christie hate we get on here, I think he is ok.
That alone disqualifies you from commenting Dan. He's garbage for all the reasons I've been laying out for years.
And that is a damning indictment on the coaches when Ratima is preferred over him. Just once I'd like to see a journalist ask why Fakatava is below them in the picking order.
Ok, so if I don't follow your thoughts, I not supposed to comment huh?
One way of being right on a forum I suppose, either agree with you or you are disqualified from making a comment.If you're going to be contrarian about a player almost everyone else agrees is not up to standard and shouldn't be selected, it behoves you to tell us what we're missing. What core skills of his position he's playing to the requisite standard.
Otherwise we're not the wiser and I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
I just of the opinion that Christie is not as bad as many make out. I thought he a step up from Ratima , in speed of distribution etc, and could see difference today, I don't think he ever fist choice if I picking the team, but nor would I discount him completely, and do say after seeing the ABXV lay I would probably have Fakatava ahead of him , now, but wouldn't of earlier in year.
And who is almost everyone else, a few here don't like him, which is their right, but doesn't mean I can't say I not that much against him.
Oh just out of interest , are the almost everyone else his coaches at super level and test among the almost everyone?I'm not the only person who can't understand why Funaki isn't the Blues #1 halfback. And given the discontent surrounding the current All Black squad, it seems few have any regard for Hansen's ability to select either.
I get that he's a known quantity, experienced, and some might extend themselves to say he's a safe pair of hands, but in a contest you're trying to win rather than not lose, he's a liability.
It puzzles me as to why Cotter preferred Christie and BB over Funaki and Plummer. Are we just not seeing something, or was Cotter slurping the cool aid, and he got lucky when injuries struck and he won with Plummer at the helm the year before? Of course I realise BB was in Japan
Christie because he suits the close game plan, BB because Plummer was leaving and BB signed on until 2027?
To me playing BB over Plummer because one is leaving is not a good excuse. You are trying to win a SR title and need to play the best. And it's not like BB was a young up and comer needing reps
Yep, but we don't know if that was why he was played, isn't that just speculation by a poster?
It's all speculation. If you want facts you've come to the wrong place
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
Over to you Mr Kirk.
Do what needs to be done, or are you a waste of a salary too?
What do you expect Kirk to do?
To boldly go.....?
Seriously, ask the right questions and find out what the actual problems are - not what we think they are.
Let's not repeat the mistake of blaming it all on the coach - not that I'm defending the useless twat.
I agree with what you say, but genuinely he's not the NZR board, he's just the chairman. It's up to board to ask questions through the CEO. Remember what happened in Aus when the chairman thout he ran the whole game?
Kirk is probably in the driving seat right now. Not saying he'll take decisions on his own, but he's in a position to ask the right questions (starting to already) and seems smart enough to cut thru the snake oil and ensure he and the new CEO get the right answers
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
Kirk is probably in the driving seat right now. Not saying he'll take decisions on his own, but he's in a position to ask the right questions (starting to already) and seems smart enough to cut thru the snake oil and ensure he and the new CEO get the right answers
Kirk knows how to operate a board room.
And he knows rugby.
It's about setting a new direction; getting rid of the corporate type complacency that had quite naturally developed after a long period of sustained success.
Just about the perfect guy for this situation.I mean, selecting a culturist as your HC FFS.
The height of arrogance; doubt any of our opposition are going to be following that trend any time soon.
Wouldn't get rid of Robertson yet, unfortunately his basic win/loss isn't bad enough. The nature of the losses are so bad tho!
Let him start next season, and put a contingency plan in place; in case things go very, very badly.Get a new CEO, and tell him his first job will be to clean out the HP dept.
Living in Sydney might actually be an advantage if some people are guna get pissed-off.
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Realistically they're not getting rid of Razor, so what should we be aiming for?
A clean out of assistants?
Which ones? All?
Razor actually taking over the coaching if the oil is correct that he's more a manager?
Living in Sydney might actually be an advantage if some people are guna get pissed-off.
I'll find him.
And protect him from the Cantabs.
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Realistically they're not getting rid of Razor, so what should we be aiming for?
A clean out of assistants?
Which ones? All?
Razor actually taking over the coaching if the oil is correct that he's more a manager?
Living in Sydney might actually be an advantage if some people are guna get pissed-off.
I'll find him.
And protect him from the Cantabs.
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
Realistically they're not getting rid of Razor, so what should we be aiming for?
A clean out of assistants?
Which ones? All?
Razor actually taking over the coaching if the oil is correct that he's more a manager?
Living in Sydney might actually be an advantage if some people are guna get pissed-off.
I'll find him.
And protect him from the Cantabs.
If Hansen is actually the HC then his head should roll. D has been so bad, so Ellison should be bye bye. Ryan might be saved, but hopefully they have a robust debrief
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Well Ryan had our forwards improved under Foster, last year, but this year they have gone backwards, with largely the same core....this year has seen plenty of reputations take a hit, something not quite right in dodge.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
His kicking game is a weakness, and there is nothing to suggest that he is getting sufficient coaching to turn it into being acceptable at international level.
OK, I'll go off on my rant.
I do not understand how professional players can spend years as full time pros and not develop their kicking and passing skills.
It's literally what you are paid to do. Twenty minutes a day, every day would over time lift the skills. I do not see the players putting in the effort and coaches don't seem to expect it. In a skill based game like rugby it should be a fundamental as the gym -but it appears to just get ignored
It would cut into the instagram time too much
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
His kicking game is a weakness, and there is nothing to suggest that he is getting sufficient coaching to turn it into being acceptable at international level.
OK, I'll go off on my rant.
I do not understand how professional players can spend years as full time pros and not develop their kicking and passing skills.
It's literally what you are paid to do. Twenty minutes a day, every day would over time lift the skills. I do not see the players putting in the effort and coaches don't seem to expect it. In a skill based game like rugby it should be a fundamental as the gym -but it appears to just get ignored
It would cut into the instagram time too much
Speaking of, how good was Ardie and Sevu's little toktok dance at the end of the game or whatever it was lolz......!
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
His kicking game is a weakness, and there is nothing to suggest that he is getting sufficient coaching to turn it into being acceptable at international level.
OK, I'll go off on my rant.
I do not understand how professional players can spend years as full time pros and not develop their kicking and passing skills.
It's literally what you are paid to do. Twenty minutes a day, every day would over time lift the skills. I do not see the players putting in the effort and coaches don't seem to expect it. In a skill based game like rugby it should be a fundamental as the gym -but it appears to just get ignored
It would cut into the instagram time too much
Speaking of, how good was Ardie and Sevu's little toktok dance at the end of the game or whatever it was lolz......!
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
His kicking game is a weakness, and there is nothing to suggest that he is getting sufficient coaching to turn it into being acceptable at international level.
OK, I'll go off on my rant.
I do not understand how professional players can spend years as full time pros and not develop their kicking and passing skills.
It's literally what you are paid to do. Twenty minutes a day, every day would over time lift the skills. I do not see the players putting in the effort and coaches don't seem to expect it. In a skill based game like rugby it should be a fundamental as the gym -but it appears to just get ignored
It would cut into the instagram time too much
Speaking of, how good was Ardie and Sevu's little toktok dance at the end of the game or whatever it was lolz......!
Too much uce
( Hopefully Reeces farewell dance )
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
His kicking game is a weakness, and there is nothing to suggest that he is getting sufficient coaching to turn it into being acceptable at international level.
OK, I'll go off on my rant.
I do not understand how professional players can spend years as full time pros and not develop their kicking and passing skills.
It's literally what you are paid to do. Twenty minutes a day, every day would over time lift the skills. I do not see the players putting in the effort and coaches don't seem to expect it. In a skill based game like rugby it should be a fundamental as the gym -but it appears to just get ignored
It would cut into the instagram time too much
Speaking of, how good was Ardie and Sevu's little toktok dance at the end of the game or whatever it was lolz......!
Too much uce
( Hopefully Reeces farewell dance )
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
His kicking game is a weakness, and there is nothing to suggest that he is getting sufficient coaching to turn it into being acceptable at international level.
OK, I'll go off on my rant.
I do not understand how professional players can spend years as full time pros and not develop their kicking and passing skills.
It's literally what you are paid to do. Twenty minutes a day, every day would over time lift the skills. I do not see the players putting in the effort and coaches don't seem to expect it. In a skill based game like rugby it should be a fundamental as the gym -but it appears to just get ignored
It would cut into the instagram time too much
Speaking of, how good was Ardie and Sevu's little toktok dance at the end of the game or whatever it was lolz......!
Too much uce
( Hopefully Reeces farewell dance )
Haaard ma g!
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
Kirk is probably in the driving seat right now. Not saying he'll take decisions on his own, but he's in a position to ask the right questions (starting to already) and seems smart enough to cut thru the snake oil and ensure he and the new CEO get the right answers
Kirk knows how to operate a board room.
And he knows rugby.
It's about setting a new direction; getting rid of the corporate type complacency that had quite naturally developed after a long period of sustained success.
Just about the perfect guy for this situation.I mean, selecting a culturist as your HC FFS.
The height of arrogance; doubt any of our opposition are going to be following that trend any time soon.
Wouldn't get rid of Robertson yet, unfortunately his basic win/loss isn't bad enough. The nature of the losses are so bad tho!
Let him start next season, and put a contingency plan in place; in case things go very, very badly.Get a new CEO, and tell him his first job will be to clean out the HP dept.
Living in Sydney might actually be an advantage if some people are guna get pissed-off.
@mohikamo said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
Kirk is probably in the driving seat right now. Not saying he'll take decisions on his own, but he's in a position to ask the right questions (starting to already) and seems smart enough to cut thru the snake oil and ensure he and the new CEO get the right answers
Kirk knows how to operate a board room.
And he knows rugby.
It's about setting a new direction; getting rid of the corporate type complacency that had quite naturally developed after a long period of sustained success.
Just about the perfect guy for this situation.I mean, selecting a culturist as your HC FFS.
The height of arrogance; doubt any of our opposition are going to be following that trend any time soon.
Wouldn't get rid of Robertson yet, unfortunately his basic win/loss isn't bad enough. The nature of the losses are so bad tho!
Let him start next season, and put a contingency plan in place; in case things go very, very badly.Get a new CEO, and tell him his first job will be to clean out the HP dept.
Living in Sydney might actually be an advantage if some people are guna get pissed-off.
I would think the best way to move forward is to leave much of what is in place in place but make a priority to absolutely nail the appointment of a new coach in 2028 and other long term reforms. I'm thinking in terms of the accountability and review pieces so that coaches can't get away with what Razor has in 2024 and 25 - no new cap at 10, that is but one example of his poor stewardship.
I'm not saying give up on fixing things for the ABs in 2026 and 27 but to me that is the tip of the iceberg and it's parts of the iceberg that are not visible that need the attention.
If you over focus on the ABs and live and die with every result you are gonna be reactive and cleaning up messes rather than creating a long term vision that will ensure success past the current RWC cycle.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
Kirk is probably in the driving seat right now. Not saying he'll take decisions on his own, but he's in a position to ask the right questions (starting to already) and seems smart enough to cut thru the snake oil and ensure he and the new CEO get the right answers
Kirk knows how to operate a board room.
And he knows rugby.
It's about setting a new direction; getting rid of the corporate type complacency that had quite naturally developed after a long period of sustained success.
Just about the perfect guy for this situation.I mean, selecting a culturist as your HC FFS.
The height of arrogance; doubt any of our opposition are going to be following that trend any time soon.
Wouldn't get rid of Robertson yet, unfortunately his basic win/loss isn't bad enough. The nature of the losses are so bad tho!
Let him start next season, and put a contingency plan in place; in case things go very, very badly.Get a new CEO, and tell him his first job will be to clean out the HP dept.
Living in Sydney might actually be an advantage if some people are guna get pissed-off.
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Mark Robinson standing behind a wheelie bin as he presents the WR breakthrough trophy to Fabian Holland seems like an apt metaphor for his time as CEO.
@Smudge said in All Blacks 2025:
Mark Robinson standing behind a wheelie bin as he presents the WR breakthrough trophy to Fabian Holland seems like an apt metaphor for his time as CEO.
Hopefully the players are about to pick the outgoing CEO and place him in that same wheelie bin. Good riddance.
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Robertson, Hansen and Ryan are contracted to 2027. Ellison, like Holland, only until the end of this year. No surprises who may be easier to move aside.
@Bovidae assuming none of them have clauses and kpis re winning kpis, nzr clearly learnt nothing in the past 6 years.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
Kirk is probably in the driving seat right now. Not saying he'll take decisions on his own, but he's in a position to ask the right questions (starting to already) and seems smart enough to cut thru the snake oil and ensure he and the new CEO get the right answers
Kirk knows how to operate a board room.
And he knows rugby.
It's about setting a new direction; getting rid of the corporate type complacency that had quite naturally developed after a long period of sustained success.
Just about the perfect guy for this situation.I mean, selecting a culturist as your HC FFS.
The height of arrogance; doubt any of our opposition are going to be following that trend any time soon.
Wouldn't get rid of Robertson yet, unfortunately his basic win/loss isn't bad enough. The nature of the losses are so bad tho!
Let him start next season, and put a contingency plan in place; in case things go very, very badly.Get a new CEO, and tell him his first job will be to clean out the HP dept.
Living in Sydney might actually be an advantage if some people are guna get pissed-off.
@mohikamo said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
Kirk is probably in the driving seat right now. Not saying he'll take decisions on his own, but he's in a position to ask the right questions (starting to already) and seems smart enough to cut thru the snake oil and ensure he and the new CEO get the right answers
Kirk knows how to operate a board room.
And he knows rugby.
It's about setting a new direction; getting rid of the corporate type complacency that had quite naturally developed after a long period of sustained success.Yeah - this current environment reminds me too much of around the late-90s period when Kevin Roberts from Saatchi and Saatchi seemed to have a big hand in how things were run and the All Blacks seemed to get treated as a money-spinning brand - rather than a rugby team - with much corporate wankery.
There are some commercial imperatives, but the top of that tree is we need to win - and win well. Suspect we need someone - hopefully Kirk - who can put the Silverlake moneymen back in their box!
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@mohikamo said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
Kirk is probably in the driving seat right now. Not saying he'll take decisions on his own, but he's in a position to ask the right questions (starting to already) and seems smart enough to cut thru the snake oil and ensure he and the new CEO get the right answers
Kirk knows how to operate a board room.
And he knows rugby.
It's about setting a new direction; getting rid of the corporate type complacency that had quite naturally developed after a long period of sustained success.Yeah - this current environment reminds me too much of around the late-90s period when Kevin Roberts from Saatchi and Saatchi seemed to have a big hand in how things were run and the All Blacks seemed to get treated as a money-spinning brand - rather than a rugby team - with much corporate wankery.
There are some commercial imperatives, but the top of that tree is we need to win - and win well. Suspect we need someone - hopefully Kirk - who can put the Silverlake moneymen back in their box!
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
Kevin Roberts from Saatchi and Saatchi
Hands up if you remember him describing the All Blacks as not just a trademark, but a "love-mark".
