Wales v All Blacks
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For a couple of minutes we get very narrow, according to Marshall it's 13 phases and CC storms over for the score. That's more like it. Not given after Kirifi knocks it on in the ruck. The way we set that up was very good though, I like the direct play. If the Welsh player was responsible for the knock on, would that have been a YC last weekend? Not that I want him to get a YC, but Cody got pinged for something similar
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Very nice passage of play from the forwards at 51 mins, highlighted by a rampaging run from Samsoni and a massive clean from Parker, DMac with the cross kick (the right area of the field to try one) and Rieko scores in the corner.
Where has this narrow forward dominated play been all season?
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@pakman said in Wales v All Blacks:
@reprobate said in Wales v All Blacks:
McKenzie such a clear upgrade, not perfect (apart from the goalkicking), but ball moved rapidly to space and all of a sudden our wingers are scoring tries. Contestable kicks were better. Long kicks were better. And most of that with Ratima really struggling with kicking and delivery, and not running once that I recall - vs Barrett having Roigard. As fucking expected for fuck's sake Raygun you dullard.
Samisoni very good, both around the field and 100% in the lineout. More suited to start than come off the bench.
Holland, what a great season.
Sititi very good, while Kirifi and Parker were pretty anonymous - and finally, finally we've seen one of our loosies wind up.
Ioane a couple of uncharacteristic really poor bits of defence in conjunction with Jordan, otherwise good. ALB good too. LF continues to look dangerous and have terrible ball security.
Clarke excellent on attack, got done by the excellent LRZ a couple of times though.
Love rocks and diamonds, which is fine for a young guy who has hardly played. Showed that he deserves more opportunities, and looked genuinely angry after scoring, which you'd have to assume is a reaction to the non-selection. Then gets dragged after 50... probably not match fit I suppose...Game was always likely to be a bit of a mess, with the lack of combinations, guys who hadn't played much, the tendency to overplay when finally give a chance, and the knowledge that the coach neither trusts you or thinks that this game is any sort of a challenge.
Some excellent cleans by Parker, something that you could seldom say about an AB loosie recently.
I think he's worth perservering with for now tbh. I noticed some of his work around the ruck today. Probably needs to work on his work with ball in hand next season. We've seen in at SR in the wider channels, haven't seen it just yet at Test level.
@African-Monkey he's never been a big carrier (in terms of metres) despite his size, he usually tackles and hits rucks, but like other players, Razor seems to have how he wants players to play, seemingly away from thier natural strengths.
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So, usual initial thoughts before reading the thread.
Two teams who have poor defence, but really we had the worst defence considering the monopoly on possession for the majority of the game. Do we have a defence coach?
Why is Ratima so robotic for the ABs when he isn't for the Chiefs, there's just no variety in his game and it's just pass, pass, pass.
Without Ardie on the park the commentators obviously chose to talk up Jordan. If you only listed to them without watching the game then Jordan was the best player on the park instead of the rocks and diamonds performance he put in. The funniest one was Marshall talking up his play before the Reece try when he threw a terrible pass missing two players.
I don't know what to do with Jordan anymore, he's our best right wing and a try scoring machine, but they see him at fullback, and I think today he assumed he was fullback because so often he was off his wing.Reece likely secured his place in the ABs for next year with two tries.
I don't know what instructions our players have, in the lead up to the first second half non Clarke try there were no loosies clearing rucks, Ioane had multiple clears in that passage.
I'm glad the ref gave Lake a talking to for his constant moving of the mark at the lineout, was pissing me off. But how dumb is our team, Elton John is straighter than that guy's lineout throws and we too often didn't send a jumper up.
I thought the ref was fine, I think someone posted something pre match about her not being able to keep up with the play but she seemed to do that fine to me.
Well taken hatrick by Rogers.
I think I'm actually underrating the 50 points in my head because of our defence and the seemingly long periods of time where we struggled to unlock them, but there was some genuinely good attacking play in the match. DMac assured at 10, kicked goals spectacularly, most in play kicks were good, the backs got some space. Sititi ran on to the ball hard all night and even if he wasn't making huge metres he was at least bending the line. Love with a well taken try in a rocks and diamonds performance. Holland is a lineout gun and busy around the field, I think he's had a good breakout season, maybe the best for a lock since BBBR.
Well, a dud end to a dud season for us. Such as it's been I'm actually looking forward to the break whereas most years I'm annoyed by the end of the season as I don't really follow other sports.
@Nepia said in Wales v All Blacks:
I thought the ref was fine
We've certainly had worse.
I didn't blow up at any of her calls in play, so am interested how our Welsh posters saw her given my lack of indignation.
She was bullied out of awarding Jordan's try though.
She'll do plenty more tests.
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@Nepia said in Wales v All Blacks:
I thought the ref was fine
We've certainly had worse.
I didn't blow up at any of her calls in play, so am interested how our Welsh posters saw her given my lack of indignation.
She was bullied out of awarding Jordan's try though.
She'll do plenty more tests.
@booboo said in Wales v All Blacks:
@Nepia said in Wales v All Blacks:
I thought the ref was fine
We've certainly had worse.
I didn't blow up at any of her calls in play, so sm iInterested how our Welsh posters saw her given my lack of indignation.
She was bullied out of awarding Jordan's try though.
She'll do plenty more tests.
I thought WJ was held up
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@booboo said in Wales v All Blacks:
@Nepia said in Wales v All Blacks:
I thought the ref was fine
We've certainly had worse.
I didn't blow up at any of her calls in play, so sm iInterested how our Welsh posters saw her given my lack of indignation.
She was bullied out of awarding Jordan's try though.
She'll do plenty more tests.
I thought WJ was held up
@canefan said in Wales v All Blacks:
@booboo said in Wales v All Blacks:
@Nepia said in Wales v All Blacks:
I thought the ref was fine
We've certainly had worse.
I didn't blow up at any of her calls in play, so sm iInterested how our Welsh posters saw her given my lack of indignation.
She was bullied out of awarding Jordan's try though.
She'll do plenty more tests.
I thought WJ was held up
Same, and I felt like she realised she was wrong in awarding it in the first place.
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@canefan said in Wales v All Blacks:
Love makes a great pickup at 17 mins and makes 50m on a touchfinder. A rare occurrence this season
He and DMac had some huge kicks, wonder if they might have been beneficial at a few points this year?
@mariner4life said in Wales v All Blacks:
@canefan said in Wales v All Blacks:
Love makes a great pickup at 17 mins and makes 50m on a touchfinder. A rare occurrence this season
He and DMac had some huge kicks, wonder if they might have been beneficial at a few points this year?
Especially with a dominant line out more than capable of stealing opposition ball...
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@Grooter
I have also heard that Love had a training ground disagreement with Hansen.@Old-Alleynians said in Wales v All Blacks:
@Grooter
I have also heard that Love had a training ground disagreement with Hansen.Just on Love's early subbing. Piney on ZB reporting he rolled an ankle.
Wecan all wind the indignation down just a little. Not to off, but down a bit.
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@booboo said in Wales v All Blacks:
@Nepia said in Wales v All Blacks:
I thought the ref was fine
We've certainly had worse.
I didn't blow up at any of her calls in play, so sm iInterested how our Welsh posters saw her given my lack of indignation.
She was bullied out of awarding Jordan's try though.
She'll do plenty more tests.
I thought WJ was held up
@canefan said in Wales v All Blacks:
@booboo said in Wales v All Blacks:
@Nepia said in Wales v All Blacks:
I thought the ref was fine
We've certainly had worse.
I didn't blow up at any of her calls in play, so sm iInterested how our Welsh posters saw her given my lack of indignation.
She was bullied out of awarding Jordan's try though.
She'll do plenty more tests.
I thought WJ was held up
Don't agree. She was talked out of trusting the evidence of her own eyes by an inconclusive super slomo.
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@canefan said in Wales v All Blacks:
Love makes a great pickup at 17 mins and makes 50m on a touchfinder. A rare occurrence this season
He and DMac had some huge kicks, wonder if they might have been beneficial at a few points this year?
@mariner4life said in Wales v All Blacks:
@canefan said in Wales v All Blacks:
Love makes a great pickup at 17 mins and makes 50m on a touchfinder. A rare occurrence this season
He and DMac had some huge kicks, wonder if they might have been beneficial at a few points this year?
Helps that some of the NH stadiums don't meet World Rugby's minimum required width.
E.g. Stade de France width is 67.60m, Allianz Stadium in Italy is 65m (believe Principality Stadium is 68m)
All our main stadiums in NZ are at the max of 70m so a lot of our kicks look bigger than normal up there.
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@African-Monkey said in Wales v All Blacks:
@MN5 said in Wales v All Blacks:
Only saw highlights but I'm very over Tony Johnsons commentary. When Reece scored you'd be mistaken for thinking the ABs had won the world cup, not put 50 on a pretty woeful team.
Or Justin Marshall talking up Will Jirdan anytime he got near the ball.
Marshall has been picked on enough, I thought it was time to move onto someone else.
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The Reece try took advantage of Wales being a man down. But the continuity close in from the ABs forwards set the platform.
The following exit was most unusual. A couple of hit ups and Christie feeds DMac. Might not have hit it perfectly but it was refreshing to see our 10 kicking for touch instead of our 9 kicking another incontestable contestable
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@canefan said in Wales v All Blacks:
@booboo said in Wales v All Blacks:
@Nepia said in Wales v All Blacks:
I thought the ref was fine
We've certainly had worse.
I didn't blow up at any of her calls in play, so sm iInterested how our Welsh posters saw her given my lack of indignation.
She was bullied out of awarding Jordan's try though.
She'll do plenty more tests.
I thought WJ was held up
Don't agree. She was talked out of trusting the evidence of her own eyes by an inconclusive super slomo.
@booboo said in Wales v All Blacks:
@canefan said in Wales v All Blacks:
@booboo said in Wales v All Blacks:
@Nepia said in Wales v All Blacks:
I thought the ref was fine
We've certainly had worse.
I didn't blow up at any of her calls in play, so sm iInterested how our Welsh posters saw her given my lack of indignation.
She was bullied out of awarding Jordan's try though.
She'll do plenty more tests.
I thought WJ was held up
Don't agree. She was talked out of trusting the evidence of her own eyes by an inconclusive super slomo.
Not true mate - the TMO showed her the footage and said he couldn’t overrule and she went against her own decision anyway
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@booboo said in Wales v All Blacks:
@canefan said in Wales v All Blacks:
@booboo said in Wales v All Blacks:
@Nepia said in Wales v All Blacks:
I thought the ref was fine
We've certainly had worse.
I didn't blow up at any of her calls in play, so sm iInterested how our Welsh posters saw her given my lack of indignation.
She was bullied out of awarding Jordan's try though.
She'll do plenty more tests.
I thought WJ was held up
Don't agree. She was talked out of trusting the evidence of her own eyes by an inconclusive super slomo.
Not true mate - the TMO showed her the footage and said he couldn’t overrule and she went against her own decision anyway
@voodoo said in Wales v All Blacks:
@booboo said in Wales v All Blacks:
@canefan said in Wales v All Blacks:
@booboo said in Wales v All Blacks:
@Nepia said in Wales v All Blacks:
I thought the ref was fine
We've certainly had worse.
I didn't blow up at any of her calls in play, so sm iInterested how our Welsh posters saw her given my lack of indignation.
She was bullied out of awarding Jordan's try though.
She'll do plenty more tests.
I thought WJ was held up
Don't agree. She was talked out of trusting the evidence of her own eyes by an inconclusive super slomo.
Not true mate - the TMO showed her the footage and said he couldn’t overrule and she went against her own decision anyway
I thought she made a very reasonable decision
