Wales v All Blacks
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So, usual initial thoughts before reading the thread.
Two teams who have poor defence, but really we had the worst defence considering the monopoly on possession for the majority of the game. Do we have a defence coach?
Why is Ratima so robotic for the ABs when he isn't for the Chiefs, there's just no variety in his game and it's just pass, pass, pass.
Without Ardie on the park the commentators obviously chose to talk up Jordan. If you only listed to them without watching the game then Jordan was the best player on the park instead of the rocks and diamonds performance he put in. The funniest one was Marshall talking up his play before the Reece try when he threw a terrible pass missing two players.
I don't know what to do with Jordan anymore, he's our best right wing and a try scoring machine, but they see him at fullback, and I think today he assumed he was fullback because so often he was off his wing.Reece likely secured his place in the ABs for next year with two tries.
I don't know what instructions our players have, in the lead up to the first second half non Clarke try there were no loosies clearing rucks, Ioane had multiple clears in that passage.
I'm glad the ref gave Lake a talking to for his constant moving of the mark at the lineout, was pissing me off. But how dumb is our team, Elton John is straighter than that guy's lineout throws and we too often didn't send a jumper up.
I thought the ref was fine, I think someone posted something pre match about her not being able to keep up with the play but she seemed to do that fine to me.
Well taken hatrick by Rogers.
I think I'm actually underrating the 50 points in my head because of our defence and the seemingly long periods of time where we struggled to unlock them, but there was some genuinely good attacking play in the match. DMac assured at 10, kicked goals spectacularly, most in play kicks were good, the backs got some space. Sititi ran on to the ball hard all night and even if he wasn't making huge metres he was at least bending the line. Love with a well taken try in a rocks and diamonds performance. Holland is a lineout gun and busy around the field, I think he's had a good breakout season, maybe the best for a lock since BBBR.
Well, a dud end to a dud season for us. Such as it's been I'm actually looking forward to the break whereas most years I'm annoyed by the end of the season as I don't really follow other sports.
@Nepia said in Wales v All Blacks:
I thought the ref was fine
We've certainly had worse.
I didn't blow up at any of her calls in play, so am interested how our Welsh posters saw her given my lack of indignation.
She was bullied out of awarding Jordan's try though.
She'll do plenty more tests.
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@Nepia said in Wales v All Blacks:
I thought the ref was fine
We've certainly had worse.
I didn't blow up at any of her calls in play, so am interested how our Welsh posters saw her given my lack of indignation.
She was bullied out of awarding Jordan's try though.
She'll do plenty more tests.
@booboo said in Wales v All Blacks:
@Nepia said in Wales v All Blacks:
I thought the ref was fine
We've certainly had worse.
I didn't blow up at any of her calls in play, so sm iInterested how our Welsh posters saw her given my lack of indignation.
She was bullied out of awarding Jordan's try though.
She'll do plenty more tests.
I thought WJ was held up
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@booboo said in Wales v All Blacks:
@Nepia said in Wales v All Blacks:
I thought the ref was fine
We've certainly had worse.
I didn't blow up at any of her calls in play, so sm iInterested how our Welsh posters saw her given my lack of indignation.
She was bullied out of awarding Jordan's try though.
She'll do plenty more tests.
I thought WJ was held up
@canefan said in Wales v All Blacks:
@booboo said in Wales v All Blacks:
@Nepia said in Wales v All Blacks:
I thought the ref was fine
We've certainly had worse.
I didn't blow up at any of her calls in play, so sm iInterested how our Welsh posters saw her given my lack of indignation.
She was bullied out of awarding Jordan's try though.
She'll do plenty more tests.
I thought WJ was held up
Same, and I felt like she realised she was wrong in awarding it in the first place.
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@canefan said in Wales v All Blacks:
Love makes a great pickup at 17 mins and makes 50m on a touchfinder. A rare occurrence this season
He and DMac had some huge kicks, wonder if they might have been beneficial at a few points this year?
@mariner4life said in Wales v All Blacks:
@canefan said in Wales v All Blacks:
Love makes a great pickup at 17 mins and makes 50m on a touchfinder. A rare occurrence this season
He and DMac had some huge kicks, wonder if they might have been beneficial at a few points this year?
Especially with a dominant line out more than capable of stealing opposition ball...
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@Grooter
I have also heard that Love had a training ground disagreement with Hansen.@Old-Alleynians said in Wales v All Blacks:
@Grooter
I have also heard that Love had a training ground disagreement with Hansen.Just on Love's early subbing. Piney on ZB reporting he rolled an ankle.
Wecan all wind the indignation down just a little. Not to off, but down a bit.
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@booboo said in Wales v All Blacks:
@Nepia said in Wales v All Blacks:
I thought the ref was fine
We've certainly had worse.
I didn't blow up at any of her calls in play, so sm iInterested how our Welsh posters saw her given my lack of indignation.
She was bullied out of awarding Jordan's try though.
She'll do plenty more tests.
I thought WJ was held up
@canefan said in Wales v All Blacks:
@booboo said in Wales v All Blacks:
@Nepia said in Wales v All Blacks:
I thought the ref was fine
We've certainly had worse.
I didn't blow up at any of her calls in play, so sm iInterested how our Welsh posters saw her given my lack of indignation.
She was bullied out of awarding Jordan's try though.
She'll do plenty more tests.
I thought WJ was held up
Don't agree. She was talked out of trusting the evidence of her own eyes by an inconclusive super slomo.
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@canefan said in Wales v All Blacks:
Love makes a great pickup at 17 mins and makes 50m on a touchfinder. A rare occurrence this season
He and DMac had some huge kicks, wonder if they might have been beneficial at a few points this year?
@mariner4life said in Wales v All Blacks:
@canefan said in Wales v All Blacks:
Love makes a great pickup at 17 mins and makes 50m on a touchfinder. A rare occurrence this season
He and DMac had some huge kicks, wonder if they might have been beneficial at a few points this year?
Helps that some of the NH stadiums don't meet World Rugby's minimum required width.
E.g. Stade de France width is 67.60m, Allianz Stadium in Italy is 65m (believe Principality Stadium is 68m)
All our main stadiums in NZ are at the max of 70m so a lot of our kicks look bigger than normal up there.
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@African-Monkey said in Wales v All Blacks:
@MN5 said in Wales v All Blacks:
Only saw highlights but I'm very over Tony Johnsons commentary. When Reece scored you'd be mistaken for thinking the ABs had won the world cup, not put 50 on a pretty woeful team.
Or Justin Marshall talking up Will Jirdan anytime he got near the ball.
Marshall has been picked on enough, I thought it was time to move onto someone else.
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The Reece try took advantage of Wales being a man down. But the continuity close in from the ABs forwards set the platform.
The following exit was most unusual. A couple of hit ups and Christie feeds DMac. Might not have hit it perfectly but it was refreshing to see our 10 kicking for touch instead of our 9 kicking another incontestable contestable
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@canefan said in Wales v All Blacks:
@booboo said in Wales v All Blacks:
@Nepia said in Wales v All Blacks:
I thought the ref was fine
We've certainly had worse.
I didn't blow up at any of her calls in play, so sm iInterested how our Welsh posters saw her given my lack of indignation.
She was bullied out of awarding Jordan's try though.
She'll do plenty more tests.
I thought WJ was held up
Don't agree. She was talked out of trusting the evidence of her own eyes by an inconclusive super slomo.
@booboo said in Wales v All Blacks:
@canefan said in Wales v All Blacks:
@booboo said in Wales v All Blacks:
@Nepia said in Wales v All Blacks:
I thought the ref was fine
We've certainly had worse.
I didn't blow up at any of her calls in play, so sm iInterested how our Welsh posters saw her given my lack of indignation.
She was bullied out of awarding Jordan's try though.
She'll do plenty more tests.
I thought WJ was held up
Don't agree. She was talked out of trusting the evidence of her own eyes by an inconclusive super slomo.
Not true mate - the TMO showed her the footage and said he couldn’t overrule and she went against her own decision anyway
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@booboo said in Wales v All Blacks:
@canefan said in Wales v All Blacks:
@booboo said in Wales v All Blacks:
@Nepia said in Wales v All Blacks:
I thought the ref was fine
We've certainly had worse.
I didn't blow up at any of her calls in play, so sm iInterested how our Welsh posters saw her given my lack of indignation.
She was bullied out of awarding Jordan's try though.
She'll do plenty more tests.
I thought WJ was held up
Don't agree. She was talked out of trusting the evidence of her own eyes by an inconclusive super slomo.
Not true mate - the TMO showed her the footage and said he couldn’t overrule and she went against her own decision anyway
@voodoo said in Wales v All Blacks:
@booboo said in Wales v All Blacks:
@canefan said in Wales v All Blacks:
@booboo said in Wales v All Blacks:
@Nepia said in Wales v All Blacks:
I thought the ref was fine
We've certainly had worse.
I didn't blow up at any of her calls in play, so sm iInterested how our Welsh posters saw her given my lack of indignation.
She was bullied out of awarding Jordan's try though.
She'll do plenty more tests.
I thought WJ was held up
Don't agree. She was talked out of trusting the evidence of her own eyes by an inconclusive super slomo.
Not true mate - the TMO showed her the footage and said he couldn’t overrule and she went against her own decision anyway
I thought she made a very reasonable decision
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Plumtree off for YC hit on WJ. Those in passes aren't very good for us, every one resulted in our carrier getting smashed.
Our forwards have carried up the guts most of the game, as have the midfield. And DMac has played a decent controlling hand from 10. It sets up another try for Reece. I know it's only Wales. But the game plan felt so much better suited to our players. And I wonder why it's taken this long to play this way with this personnel. Razor and his coaches have really dug themselves this hole trying to be far too cute
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Love misses a high ball but WJ cleans up. A minute or two later Wales have coasted through our defence to score in the corner
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For a couple of minutes we get very narrow, according to Marshall it's 13 phases and CC storms over for the score. That's more like it. Not given after Kirifi knocks it on in the ruck. The way we set that up was very good though, I like the direct play. If the Welsh player was responsible for the knock on, would that have been a YC last weekend? Not that I want him to get a YC, but Cody got pinged for something similar
@canefan said in Wales v All Blacks:
For a couple of minutes we get very narrow, according to Marshall it's 13 phases and CC storms over for the score. That's more like it. Not given after Kirifi knocks it on in the ruck. The way we set that up was very good though, I like the direct play. If the Welsh player was responsible for the knock on, would that have been a YC last weekend? Not that I want him to get a YC, but Cody got pinged for something similar
Watching in a pub I went to loo after first replay, which to me seemed not clear and obvious, so don’t know if there was a clear angle. In any event World Rugby needs to bin the YC onus. Then a minute later another TMO go with referee ignoring them and changing her original decision.
It’s actually painful to watch this version of rugby.
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I said use AI as TMO and everyone laughed. But human error and poor judgement is killing things. If doctors can use AI to help diagnose medical problems we can use it to fix the TMO.
WR decide that constitutes YC and RC, they decide what protocols to go through. Then on game days TMO and refs fuck it up by departing from these guidelines. Set the limits, show AI what is YC and what is RC and what is not, let it make the decisions. And it will learn as it goes along
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@African-Monkey said in Wales v All Blacks:
@MN5 said in Wales v All Blacks:
Only saw highlights but I'm very over Tony Johnsons commentary. When Reece scored you'd be mistaken for thinking the ABs had won the world cup, not put 50 on a pretty woeful team.
Or Justin Marshall talking up Will Jirdan anytime he got near the ball.
Marshall has been picked on enough, I thought it was time to move onto someone else.
@MN5 said in Wales v All Blacks:
@African-Monkey said in Wales v All Blacks:
@MN5 said in Wales v All Blacks:
Only saw highlights but I'm very over Tony Johnsons commentary. When Reece scored you'd be mistaken for thinking the ABs had won the world cup, not put 50 on a pretty woeful team.
Or Justin Marshall talking up Will Jirdan anytime he got near the ball.
Marshall has been picked on enough, I thought it was time to move onto someone else.
He's a curates egg. Love some of his analysis and the level it's pitched and his excitement about great play no matter where it comes from, but he can be a wee bit boring and samey too. Dislike his clear love for certain players
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@booboo said in Wales v All Blacks:
@canefan said in Wales v All Blacks:
@booboo said in Wales v All Blacks:
@Nepia said in Wales v All Blacks:
I thought the ref was fine
We've certainly had worse.
I didn't blow up at any of her calls in play, so sm iInterested how our Welsh posters saw her given my lack of indignation.
She was bullied out of awarding Jordan's try though.
She'll do plenty more tests.
I thought WJ was held up
Don't agree. She was talked out of trusting the evidence of her own eyes by an inconclusive super slomo.
Not true mate - the TMO showed her the footage and said he couldn’t overrule and she went against her own decision anyway
@voodoo said in Wales v All Blacks:
@booboo said in Wales v All Blacks:
@canefan said in Wales v All Blacks:
@booboo said in Wales v All Blacks:
@Nepia said in Wales v All Blacks:
I thought the ref was fine
We've certainly had worse.
I didn't blow up at any of her calls in play, so sm iInterested how our Welsh posters saw her given my lack of indignation.
She was bullied out of awarding Jordan's try though.
She'll do plenty more tests.
I thought WJ was held up
Don't agree. She was talked out of trusting the evidence of her own eyes by an inconclusive super slomo.
Not true mate - the TMO showed her the footage and said he couldn’t overrule and she went against her own decision anyway
Yeah okay.
"I can't overule you" ... but I am.
These pricks talk in code. He 100% told her to overule herself.
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@voodoo said in Wales v All Blacks:
@booboo said in Wales v All Blacks:
@canefan said in Wales v All Blacks:
@booboo said in Wales v All Blacks:
@Nepia said in Wales v All Blacks:
I thought the ref was fine
We've certainly had worse.
I didn't blow up at any of her calls in play, so sm iInterested how our Welsh posters saw her given my lack of indignation.
She was bullied out of awarding Jordan's try though.
She'll do plenty more tests.
I thought WJ was held up
Don't agree. She was talked out of trusting the evidence of her own eyes by an inconclusive super slomo.
Not true mate - the TMO showed her the footage and said he couldn’t overrule and she went against her own decision anyway
Yeah okay.
"I can't overule you" ... but I am.
These pricks talk in code. He 100% told her to overule herself.
@booboo said in Wales v All Blacks:
@voodoo said in Wales v All Blacks:
@booboo said in Wales v All Blacks:
@canefan said in Wales v All Blacks:
@booboo said in Wales v All Blacks:
@Nepia said in Wales v All Blacks:
I thought the ref was fine
We've certainly had worse.
I didn't blow up at any of her calls in play, so sm iInterested how our Welsh posters saw her given my lack of indignation.
She was bullied out of awarding Jordan's try though.
She'll do plenty more tests.
I thought WJ was held up
Don't agree. She was talked out of trusting the evidence of her own eyes by an inconclusive super slomo.
Not true mate - the TMO showed her the footage and said he couldn’t overrule and she went against her own decision anyway
Yeah okay.
"I can't overule you" ... but I am.
These pricks talk in code. He 100% told her to overule herself.
Didn't he tell her to stick with her on-field decision and she said, 'no, I can see the ball was actually held up before I awarded the try'?
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@booboo said in Wales v All Blacks:
@voodoo said in Wales v All Blacks:
@booboo said in Wales v All Blacks:
@canefan said in Wales v All Blacks:
@booboo said in Wales v All Blacks:
@Nepia said in Wales v All Blacks:
I thought the ref was fine
We've certainly had worse.
I didn't blow up at any of her calls in play, so sm iInterested how our Welsh posters saw her given my lack of indignation.
She was bullied out of awarding Jordan's try though.
She'll do plenty more tests.
I thought WJ was held up
Don't agree. She was talked out of trusting the evidence of her own eyes by an inconclusive super slomo.
Not true mate - the TMO showed her the footage and said he couldn’t overrule and she went against her own decision anyway
Yeah okay.
"I can't overule you" ... but I am.
These pricks talk in code. He 100% told her to overule herself.
Didn't he tell her to stick with her on-field decision and she said, 'no, I can see the ball was actually held up before I awarded the try'?
@Mr-Fish said in Wales v All Blacks:
@booboo said in Wales v All Blacks:
@voodoo said in Wales v All Blacks:
@booboo said in Wales v All Blacks:
@canefan said in Wales v All Blacks:
@booboo said in Wales v All Blacks:
@Nepia said in Wales v All Blacks:
I thought the ref was fine
We've certainly had worse.
I didn't blow up at any of her calls in play, so sm iInterested how our Welsh posters saw her given my lack of indignation.
She was bullied out of awarding Jordan's try though.
She'll do plenty more tests.
I thought WJ was held up
Don't agree. She was talked out of trusting the evidence of her own eyes by an inconclusive super slomo.
Not true mate - the TMO showed her the footage and said he couldn’t overrule and she went against her own decision anyway
Yeah okay.
"I can't overule you" ... but I am.
These pricks talk in code. He 100% told her to overule herself.
Didn't he tell her to stick with her on-field decision and she said, 'no, I can see the ball was actually held up before I awarded the try'?
cunning bastards!!!
