All Blacks 2025
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So what were the positives of 2025?
Who were the players to emerge who look to be long term all Blacks and will play a key part in 2027?
Ita fair to say the aBs stagnated this year and went backwards in a number of areas.
Razor and Ryan will survive but every other coach should be cut loose.
NZR should be committed to getting the best assistant coaches possible and it doest matter what their nationality is.
Defence coach being the biggest priority for me - nz defence systems are lagging behind the rest of the top sides and we need outside help. It cant be too hard to find better quality defensive coaches.
Lots to do to get us back on track
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
The Herald has spoken to several high-profile Kiwi coaches based overseas, who say that while they love their country and want teams in black to win on the world stage, they have no interest in coming home because they don’t believe the high-performance system is operating at best-practice levels, and they don’t trust NZR to consistently make good decisions around coaching and management appointments.
Some coaches have said they fear NZR has become dismissive of what it could learn and borrow from other countries and that it has shut itself off entirely from the rest of the world, which is partly why they say the All Blacks’ defensive and attacking patterns are outdated and ineffective.
Thats a grim, deflating read.
We are in trouble folks.
Big trouble. We have Scott Hansen coaching the side with Razor doing the pilates side of things and have to tour the republic for 4 fucken tests next year!
One thing that really annoyed me about the 3 part Razor wankfest run by Jim Kayes was when he was extremely dismissive about getting experience overseas and said something along the lines of 'Why do i need overseas experience? I spent time over there as a player!' He lost me right there. Did he think he'd walk into international rugby thinking the opposition was the same level as the Waratahs and Force or something?
I really think we make too much of saying you need international experience.
Sure test rugby is different but its still rugby. The laws are the same, the quality increases but who shouldnt be shocked at test rugby is different than super rugby
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
I really think we make too much of saying you need international experience.
The current AB head Coach says "Hold my beer"
"Until you have played or coached a test match, you don't know [what is required] until you have done it and so those guys are really valuable," Robertson said."
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
I really think we make too much of saying you need international experience.
The current AB head Coach says "Hold my beer"
"Until you have played or coached a test match, you don't know [what is required] until you have done it and so those guys are really valuable," Robertson said."
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
I really think we make too much of saying you need international experience.
The current AB head Coach says "Hold my beer"
"Until you have played or coached a test match, you don't know [what is required] until you have done it and so those guys are really valuable," Robertson said.
"or". He had played. The requirement for him is well over-sold, and the problem players are veterans.
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We've turned the corner apparently and all is well.
And international experience is suddenly important now, according to Robertson. Pity he and his loonie fluffers did't mention that when campaigning for AB Coach eh?
Last year Robertson retained veterans such as Sam Cane and TJ Peranara to provide experience but, with both now playing in Japan, had to go deeper into the playing pool this season.
"Until you have played or coached a test match, you don't know [what is required] until you have done it and so those guys are really valuable," Robertson said.
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So what were the positives of 2025?
Who were the players to emerge who look to be long term all Blacks and will play a key part in 2027?
Ita fair to say the aBs stagnated this year and went backwards in a number of areas.
Razor and Ryan will survive but every other coach should be cut loose.
NZR should be committed to getting the best assistant coaches possible and it doest matter what their nationality is.
Defence coach being the biggest priority for me - nz defence systems are lagging behind the rest of the top sides and we need outside help. It cant be too hard to find better quality defensive coaches.
Lots to do to get us back on track
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
So what were the positives of 2025?
I posted this a bit early in the thread:
"Holland's taken to Test Rugby like a duck to the wet stuff.
Jordie Barrett came back from Europe with an extra edge to his game.
Cam Roigard is world class.
Our Hookers are excellent.
DMac did well when he had game time. So did Caleb Clarke between injuries. So did Patrick Tuipolutu.
We have the Bledisloe. (Still).
Eden Park is a Fortress. (Still).
Wallace Sititi after being shaky for much of the year finished well.
In ranking terms, we are 2 in the world even if I think the Springboks, England and France are all comfortably better than us." -
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
"Turned a Corner"?
It was Wales, Scott.
To be fair, he wasn't talking about that game at all, he was talking about the number of players exposed to international rugby and 'turning the corner' in terms of having that number of experienced players.
Which is also largely bullshit, but has nothing to do with Wales.
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
"Turned a Corner"?
It was Wales, Scott.
To be fair, he wasn't talking about that game at all, he was talking about the number of players exposed to international rugby and 'turning the corner' in terms of having that number of experienced players.
Which is also largely bullshit, but has nothing to do with Wales.
@reprobate Robertson's frantically trying to survive a review that rightly is going to be extremely critical. I'm sick of his spin. I want an All Blacks Head Coach who is a Head Coach. He needs to be put on surfing leave. Permanently.
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
So what were the positives of 2025?
I posted this a bit early in the thread:
"Holland's taken to Test Rugby like a duck to the wet stuff.
Jordie Barrett came back from Europe with an extra edge to his game.
Cam Roigard is world class.
Our Hookers are excellent.
DMac did well when he had game time. So did Caleb Clarke between injuries. So did Patrick Tuipolutu.
We have the Bledisloe. (Still).
Eden Park is a Fortress. (Still).
Wallace Sititi after being shaky for much of the year finished well.
In ranking terms, we are 2 in the world even if I think the Springboks, England and France are all comfortably better than us."@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
So what were the positives of 2025?
I posted this a bit early in the thread:
"Holland's taken to Test Rugby like a duck to the wet stuff.
Jordie Barrett came back from Europe with an extra edge to his game.
Cam Roigard is world class.
Our Hookers are excellent.
DMac did well when he had game time. So did Caleb Clarke between injuries. So did Patrick Tuipolutu.
We have the Bledisloe. (Still).
Eden Park is a Fortress. (Still).
Wallace Sititi after being shaky for much of the year finished well.
In ranking terms, we are 2 in the world even if I think the Springboks, England and France are all comfortably better than us."I don't think the players are the problem - it's a cultural/headspace issue which is.
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@reprobate Robertson's frantically trying to survive a review that rightly is going to be extremely critical. I'm sick of his spin. I want an All Blacks Head Coach who is a Head Coach. He needs to be put on surfing leave. Permanently.
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate Robertson's frantically trying to survive a review that rightly is going to be extremely critical
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So what were the positives of 2025?
Who were the players to emerge who look to be long term all Blacks and will play a key part in 2027?
Ita fair to say the aBs stagnated this year and went backwards in a number of areas.
Razor and Ryan will survive but every other coach should be cut loose.
NZR should be committed to getting the best assistant coaches possible and it doest matter what their nationality is.
Defence coach being the biggest priority for me - nz defence systems are lagging behind the rest of the top sides and we need outside help. It cant be too hard to find better quality defensive coaches.
Lots to do to get us back on track
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
Who were the players to emerge who look to be long term all Blacks and will play a key part in 2027?
Fabian Holland was the pick of the new caps by some distance.
Of the recent All Blacks Pasilio Tosi, Josh Lord and Peter Lakai took big strides forward. Cam Roigard is clearly world class.
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
So what were the positives of 2025?
I posted this a bit early in the thread:
"Holland's taken to Test Rugby like a duck to the wet stuff.
Jordie Barrett came back from Europe with an extra edge to his game.
Cam Roigard is world class.
Our Hookers are excellent.
DMac did well when he had game time. So did Caleb Clarke between injuries. So did Patrick Tuipolutu.
We have the Bledisloe. (Still).
Eden Park is a Fortress. (Still).
Wallace Sititi after being shaky for much of the year finished well.
In ranking terms, we are 2 in the world even if I think the Springboks, England and France are all comfortably better than us."I don't think the players are the problem - it's a cultural/headspace issue which is.
@Victor-Meldrew Partially true, but I think we lack the physicality of South Africa, England and even Argentina.
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So what were the positives of 2025?
Who were the players to emerge who look to be long term all Blacks and will play a key part in 2027?
Ita fair to say the aBs stagnated this year and went backwards in a number of areas.
Razor and Ryan will survive but every other coach should be cut loose.
NZR should be committed to getting the best assistant coaches possible and it doest matter what their nationality is.
Defence coach being the biggest priority for me - nz defence systems are lagging behind the rest of the top sides and we need outside help. It cant be too hard to find better quality defensive coaches.
Lots to do to get us back on track
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
So what were the positives of 2025?
Who were the players to emerge who look to be long term all Blacks and will play a key part in 2027?
Holland was great.
Aside from that: Pledger, who didn't even make the AB XV. -
@Victor-Meldrew Partially true, but I think we lack the physicality of South Africa, England and even Argentina.
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew Partially true, but I think we lack the physicality of South Africa, England and even Argentina.
Kremer and Matera make our loosies look like pussies to be honest.
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
So what were the positives of 2025?
I posted this a bit early in the thread:
"Holland's taken to Test Rugby like a duck to the wet stuff.
Jordie Barrett came back from Europe with an extra edge to his game.
Cam Roigard is world class.
Our Hookers are excellent.
DMac did well when he had game time. So did Caleb Clarke between injuries. So did Patrick Tuipolutu.
We have the Bledisloe. (Still).
Eden Park is a Fortress. (Still).
Wallace Sititi after being shaky for much of the year finished well.
In ranking terms, we are 2 in the world even if I think the Springboks, England and France are all comfortably better than us."@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
So what were the positives of 2025?
I posted this a bit early in the thread:
"Holland's taken to Test Rugby like a duck to the wet stuff.
Jordie Barrett came back from Europe with an extra edge to his game.
Cam Roigard is world class.
Our Hookers are excellent.
DMac did well when he had game time. So did Caleb Clarke between injuries. So did Patrick Tuipolutu.
We have the Bledisloe. (Still).
Eden Park is a Fortress. (Still).
Wallace Sititi after being shaky for much of the year finished well.
In ranking terms, we are 2 in the world even if I think the Springboks, England and France are all comfortably better than us."All good Sparky.
We started the year with lots of injuries and disruption to our squad and i dont think we ever really got ahead of that and had a settled squad where we were able to build as a team and get some momentum and confidence.
I wouldnt say England are better (i was at Twickenham today and they were decent but nothing really special) but until we get over these mental frailties and start winning must win games its hard to now say we are better than other top sides.
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
I really think we make too much of saying you need international experience.
The current AB head Coach says "Hold my beer"
"Until you have played or coached a test match, you don't know [what is required] until you have done it and so those guys are really valuable," Robertson said."
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
I really think we make too much of saying you need international experience.
The current AB head Coach says "Hold my beer"
"Until you have played or coached a test match, you don't know [what is required] until you have done it and so those guys are really valuable," Robertson said."
I think Razors issues and faults are not because he didnt coach Scotland for 20 tests before he became AB coach..
But i get your point!
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@reprobate Robertson's frantically trying to survive a review that rightly is going to be extremely critical. I'm sick of his spin. I want an All Blacks Head Coach who is a Head Coach. He needs to be put on surfing leave. Permanently.
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate Robertson's frantically trying to survive a review that rightly is going to be extremely critical. I'm sick of his spin. I want an All Blacks Head Coach who is a Head Coach. He needs to be put on surfing leave. Permanently.
The Breakdown team say the NZRU are in a bit of disarray right now. Kirk is there but there is no CEO, the person who would usually organise the review. Mils suggests that this lack of direction might allow Razor's team to escape(he didn't look happy about it) I certainly hope not, I hope Kirk doesn't let the shit they served up this season slide
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
Jordan the best at 15? No Etzebeth?
He's tall, but a bit slow
