West Indies tour of NZ
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Michael Rae has joined the squad. 69 FC games with an average of 33.
I know the name, but know next to nothing about him other than the stats I got from cricinfo.
Looks as though they’ve picked an experienced FC bowler as a place holder, rather than some inexperienced, promising young fulla that might not be ready yet.
They’re being ultra conservative with Jamieson, considering he just played a Plunkett Shield game.
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Michael Rae will do ok big hearted bowler will hit line and length the sort of test bowler you see around the traps.
Solid but not spectacular.He is the sort who will hold an end up.
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@Cyclops said in West Indies tour of NZ:
It's interesting that Roach went totally into his shell after that dropped catrh when he was on 47. Scored about another 5 runs in an hour and a half.
If they were willing to stay positive I think they could have got to needing 30-40 runs off 5 overs and a real chance, but I think they got spooked by the near miss and decided the draw was enough.
Full credit, it's a real gutsy effort to get that draw, but honestly, I think they could have won that.
Pretty big ask........their last wicket fell at 12.30, just before lunch. Roach as pointed out before has never had much of a batting pedigree ( not that it showed yesterday ) and Greaves was hugely inexperienced in that sort of situation. A bit more aggression would have probably led to a wicket or two falling and put their new guys under huge pressure.
Again, massive achievement from these guys but losing two frontline bowlers was a fucken disaster in terms of the BCs trying to win the match.
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@Chris said in West Indies tour of NZ:
Michael Rae will do ok big hearted bowler will hit line and length the sort of test bowler you see around the traps.
Solid but not spectacular.He is the sort who will hold an end up.
Kyle needs some more load work to prevent recurring problems sensible from NZC.When's O'Rourke back ? ( apologies if this has been mentioned beforehand )
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Rae is someone who will go all day. Has previously been coached by Walter and spent a lot of time bowling in partnership with Duffy when at Otago.
Is a bit Wagner like in his approach. Probably mid-late 130s pace wise.
I have always been a fan.
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@MN5 said in West Indies tour of NZ:
@Chris said in West Indies tour of NZ:
Michael Rae will do ok big hearted bowler will hit line and length the sort of test bowler you see around the traps.
Solid but not spectacular.He is the sort who will hold an end up.
Kyle needs some more load work to prevent recurring problems sensible from NZC.When's O'Rourke back ? ( apologies if this has been mentioned beforehand )
March before he is game ready he is starting to load up his bowling after Christmas.
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@Chris said in West Indies tour of NZ:
@MN5 said in West Indies tour of NZ:
@Chris said in West Indies tour of NZ:
Michael Rae will do ok big hearted bowler will hit line and length the sort of test bowler you see around the traps.
Solid but not spectacular.He is the sort who will hold an end up.
Kyle needs some more load work to prevent recurring problems sensible from NZC.When's O'Rourke back ? ( apologies if this has been mentioned beforehand )
March before he is game ready he is starting to load up his bowling after Christmas.
Cheers. Will forget him for now. Sigh, a trio of him, Jamieson and Henry would have wrapped things up, now all three of them are various degrees of rooted !!!!
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@MN5 said in West Indies tour of NZ:
@Chris said in West Indies tour of NZ:
@MN5 said in West Indies tour of NZ:
@Chris said in West Indies tour of NZ:
Michael Rae will do ok big hearted bowler will hit line and length the sort of test bowler you see around the traps.
Solid but not spectacular.He is the sort who will hold an end up.
Kyle needs some more load work to prevent recurring problems sensible from NZC.When's O'Rourke back ? ( apologies if this has been mentioned beforehand )
March before he is game ready he is starting to load up his bowling after Christmas.
Cheers. Will forget him for now. Sigh, a trio of him, Jamieson and Henry would have wrapped things up, now all three of them are various degrees of rooted !!!!
Yeah calf tears the Bane of a pace bowler, I hope Henry is not going to end up with a chronic problem.
Jamieson and O'Rourke will be ok in the long run.
One of the worst stress fractures was Pat Cummins when he was younger he came back better than ever it just took time. -
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@MN5 said in West Indies tour of NZ:
@Cyclops said in West Indies tour of NZ:
It's interesting that Roach went totally into his shell after that dropped catrh when he was on 47. Scored about another 5 runs in an hour and a half.
If they were willing to stay positive I think they could have got to needing 30-40 runs off 5 overs and a real chance, but I think they got spooked by the near miss and decided the draw was enough.
Full credit, it's a real gutsy effort to get that draw, but honestly, I think they could have won that.
Pretty big ask........their last wicket fell at 12.30, just before lunch. Roach as pointed out before has never had much of a batting pedigree ( not that it showed yesterday ) and Greaves was hugely inexperienced in that sort of situation. A bit more aggression would have probably led to a wicket or two falling and put their new guys under huge pressure.
Again, massive achievement from these guys but losing two frontline bowlers was a fucken disaster in terms of the BCs trying to win the match.
The interesting thing with Roach's innings (and why I brought this up in the first place) is that he took 110 balls to get to 50, and finished on 58 off 233 balls. So after reaching 50 he scored 8 runs off 123 balls. Despite have scored at an okay rate to start.
I think that showed a clear change in mindset around either the milestone or (more likely) getting spooked by the dropped catch. That was the point where their approach changed and they gave up on the win. Which like I've said before, it's a great achievement and laudable
But its just interesting that when they were getting within touching distance they got more and more conservative.
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@Bovidae said in West Indies tour of NZ:
Too many injuries in the fast bowling stocks. Matt Fisher hasn't been playing for ND, so wasn't an option either.
They could have bought someone like Kristian Clarke in. He was bought into the squad earlier in the season due to injuries but didn't get a go. These conservative type selections are just nonsense. These young guys like Kristian and Rhys Mariu are the future why not give them a shot against the Windies?
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If the Windies would have opened up it would have been easier to shut them down.Push everyone deep and bowl straight on a big ground shuts out boundaries on and off side keep mid on back mid off up.
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@Cyclops said in West Indies tour of NZ:
@MN5 said in West Indies tour of NZ:
@Cyclops said in West Indies tour of NZ:
It's interesting that Roach went totally into his shell after that dropped catrh when he was on 47. Scored about another 5 runs in an hour and a half.
If they were willing to stay positive I think they could have got to needing 30-40 runs off 5 overs and a real chance, but I think they got spooked by the near miss and decided the draw was enough.
Full credit, it's a real gutsy effort to get that draw, but honestly, I think they could have won that.
Pretty big ask........their last wicket fell at 12.30, just before lunch. Roach as pointed out before has never had much of a batting pedigree ( not that it showed yesterday ) and Greaves was hugely inexperienced in that sort of situation. A bit more aggression would have probably led to a wicket or two falling and put their new guys under huge pressure.
Again, massive achievement from these guys but losing two frontline bowlers was a fucken disaster in terms of the BCs trying to win the match.
The interesting thing with Roach's innings (and why I brought this up in the first place) is that he took 110 balls to get to 50, and finished on 58 off 233 balls. So after reaching 50 he scored 8 runs off 123 balls. Despite have scored at an okay rate to start.
I think that showed a clear change in mindset around either the milestone or (more likely) getting spooked by the dropped catch. That was the point where their approach changed and they gave up on the win. Which like I've said before, it's a great achievement and laudable
But its just interesting that when they were getting within touching distance they got more and more conservative.
Wasn't until quite late in the piece that I became convinced they weren't going to try for the win, but it always seemed a somewhat unlikely option.
As the other Chris says, you don't have the same fielding restrictions as ODIs so you can make it quite difficult for teams to score runs if you need to - especially with a limited batsman like Roach in there.
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@Chris-B said in West Indies tour of NZ:
@Cyclops said in West Indies tour of NZ:
@MN5 said in West Indies tour of NZ:
@Cyclops said in West Indies tour of NZ:
It's interesting that Roach went totally into his shell after that dropped catrh when he was on 47. Scored about another 5 runs in an hour and a half.
If they were willing to stay positive I think they could have got to needing 30-40 runs off 5 overs and a real chance, but I think they got spooked by the near miss and decided the draw was enough.
Full credit, it's a real gutsy effort to get that draw, but honestly, I think they could have won that.
Pretty big ask........their last wicket fell at 12.30, just before lunch. Roach as pointed out before has never had much of a batting pedigree ( not that it showed yesterday ) and Greaves was hugely inexperienced in that sort of situation. A bit more aggression would have probably led to a wicket or two falling and put their new guys under huge pressure.
Again, massive achievement from these guys but losing two frontline bowlers was a fucken disaster in terms of the BCs trying to win the match.
The interesting thing with Roach's innings (and why I brought this up in the first place) is that he took 110 balls to get to 50, and finished on 58 off 233 balls. So after reaching 50 he scored 8 runs off 123 balls. Despite have scored at an okay rate to start.
I think that showed a clear change in mindset around either the milestone or (more likely) getting spooked by the dropped catch. That was the point where their approach changed and they gave up on the win. Which like I've said before, it's a great achievement and laudable
But its just interesting that when they were getting within touching distance they got more and more conservative.
Wasn't until quite late in the piece that I became convinced they weren't going to try for the win, but it always seemed a somewhat unlikely option.
As the other Chris says, you don't have the same fielding restrictions as ODIs so you can make it quite difficult for teams to score runs if you need to - especially with a limited batsman like Roach in there.
Some of the poms should be shown a video of his innings and how to apply themselves at test level.
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@booboo said in West Indies tour of NZ:
Anyone know why they didn't schedule this to finish on Sunday? So play was due on both weekend days?
I think the tour got squashed up so they could get a third test in. So that's why there were back to back limited overs games, and only a 3 day break before the next test.
It makes sense, but rushed test matches are chalelnging - particularly for our bowlers who got cooked.
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@Cyclops said in West Indies tour of NZ:
So in the secon been session the Windies hueadded 104/0 in 29 overs. If they repeated that, they're 503/6 with 4 overs to go. So they'd need 28 runs at an RPO of 7.
Fields would have been
different and bowling lines would have changed the closer they moved through the overs.
Nothing 100% tells us they would have been 503/6 they may have been 450/9 chasing the runs with 4 to go.
