All Blacks 2026
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2026:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2026:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2026:
I am not sure I can believe Joseph that NZR have not been talking to him. I hope they are either seeking out candidates or will have the selection process in place quickly.
i remember having this discussion i think when Fozzie got the gig.....and being surprised they just went to the market rather than approaching people directly (maybe they did informally but officially at least)....is NZR too naïve? im not sure other major sporting organisations would post it on Seek and cross their fingers
I agree that the NZRU doesn't need to make the process "open". They need to draw up a list of potential candidates and contact them asap to see if they are interested
And to see what they're interested in - which role(s) and areas - and who else they're prepared to work with. I want to see a team put together. Joseph/Rennie/Cotter with ordinary assistants would be very disappointing.
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@frugby said in All Blacks 2026:
I’ll say this:
Tony Brown and Jamie Joseph definitely had coffee in public.
And that café is?
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Question about Wayne Smith thinking Razor needed more time. How much time? 2 more years? I think there should be some indication at the 2 year mark and I agree with Kirk the trajectory didn't look great...
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2026:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2026:
I like the theory very much, but it could just be really fucking good coffee.
I think Brown's points are pretty fair, at this stage NZRU probably needs to go talk with 2-3 people then quietly choose one.
The whole public showdown between candidates is something I'm sure candidates hate as well. It's unnecessary.
or they thought it would be a good laugh to wind up the press
Everything these guys do is calculated. I get the inkling that NZR knew what the outcome of the review would be… they will have their candidate lined up.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2026:
Question about Wayne Smith thinking Razor needed more time. How much time? 2 more years? I think there should be some indication at the 2 year mark and I agree with Kirk the trajectory didn't look great...
I'm slightly disappointed we wont get to see whether Mo was going to be the magic sauce for Razor, after he worked so hard to get him back.
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@Chris Maybe Kirk is thinking JJ and Brown together after 27 WC and that what is needed now is older heads to guide us through this manic hard upcoming 26 season and then the WC. Appointing JJ without Brown and losing the SA series and some other tests leaves a bad taste in publics mouth and the idea of JJ staying on even when Brown becomes available.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2026:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2026:
Question about Wayne Smith thinking Razor needed more time. How much time? 2 more years? I think there should be some indication at the 2 year mark and I agree with Kirk the trajectory didn't look great...
I'm slightly disappointed we wont get to see whether Mo was going to be the magic sauce for Razor, after he worked so hard to get him back.
I'm tired of magic solutions. Don't think I'm alone.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2026:
Question about Wayne Smith thinking Razor needed more time. How much time? 2 more years? I think there should be some indication at the 2 year mark and I agree with Kirk the trajectory didn't look great...
Utter load of shit in my opinion. Needs more time? He needs more time because he improved almost nothing in 2 whole years.
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One thing has been pretty clear. Every criticism of Roberston from when he was initially appointed (lacked international experience, wasn't actually doing the hands on coaching at the Crusaders, was not detailed oriented enough, I could go on...) turned out to be 100% accurate.
He also turned out to wildly provincially biased, in both his coaching and player selections. It was a massive blindspot.
At this point we could appoint a high school rugby coach and it would be an improvement for the All Blacks.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2026:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2026:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2026:
Question about Wayne Smith thinking Razor needed more time. How much time? 2 more years? I think there should be some indication at the 2 year mark and I agree with Kirk the trajectory didn't look great...
I'm slightly disappointed we wont get to see whether Mo was going to be the magic sauce for Razor, after he worked so hard to get him back.
I'm tired of magic solutions. Don't think I'm alone.
Oh I agree, but essentially we've been sold this for two years, now we're not going to see whether it would have worked or not.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2026:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2026:
Question about Wayne Smith thinking Razor needed more time. How much time? 2 more years? I think there should be some indication at the 2 year mark and I agree with Kirk the trajectory didn't look great...
I'm slightly disappointed we wont get to see whether Mo was going to be the magic sauce for Razor, after he worked so hard to get him back.
If his whole game plan hinged on his return, he's not the guy we needed
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2026:
One thing has been pretty clear. Every criticism of Roberston from when he was initially appointed (lacked international experience, wasn't actually doing the hands on coaching at the Crusaders, was not detailed oriented enough, I could go on...) turned out to be 100% accurate.
He also turned out to wildly provincially biased, in both his coaching and player selections. It was a massive blindspot.
At this point we could appoint a high school rugby coach and it would be an improvement for the All Blacks.
He didn't pick any Blues (except the dud ones), but if anything he picked too many Chiefs, not Crusaders.
I don't really buy the international experience either.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2026:
Question about Wayne Smith thinking Razor needed more time. How much time? 2 more years? I think there should be some indication at the 2 year mark and I agree with Kirk the trajectory didn't look great...
yeah, dont think we expected everything to be perfect after 2 years....but some real basic stuff hadnt changed
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It's probably a good time to review the strength and conditioning role, and the actual goals of the program. Being fitter than everyone is not the trump card it was, particularly among the forwards There is a clear meta towards to a power game.
6-2 & 7-1 benches compound this, then TMO reviews, injuries, ambling towards scrums and lineouts slow the game down massively. One of the reasons the ultra-fast style Robertson was apparently trying to go for was years too late. It’s too reliant on the opposition wanting to play quick as well - SA or England can slow the game down at will with forwards having an apparent injury at almost every stoppage.
Then the meta of the power game is almost the opposite of the Super Rugby comp strengths.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2026:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2026:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2026:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2026:
Question about Wayne Smith thinking Razor needed more time. How much time? 2 more years? I think there should be some indication at the 2 year mark and I agree with Kirk the trajectory didn't look great...
I'm slightly disappointed we wont get to see whether Mo was going to be the magic sauce for Razor, after he worked so hard to get him back.
I'm tired of magic solutions. Don't think I'm alone.
Oh I agree, but essentially we've been sold this for two years, now we're not going to see whether it would have worked or not.
Well, we should. Never saw Mo as the saviour but he'd certainly be a better choice than BB IMHO
Like to see some new 10's blooded, even if it's taking a risk against tier 1 teams
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@JA said in All Blacks 2026:
It's probably a good time to review the strength and conditioning role, and the actual goals of the program. Being fitter than everyone is not the trump card it was, particularly among the forwards There is a clear meta towards to a power game.
6-2 & 7-1 benches compound this, then TMO reviews, injuries, ambling towards scrums and lineouts slow the game down massively. One of the reasons the ultra-fast style Robertson was apparently trying to go for was years too late. It’s too reliant on the opposition wanting to play quick as well - SA or England can slow the game down at will with forwards having an apparent injury at almost every stoppage.
Then the meta of the power game is almost the opposite of the Super Rugby comp strengths.
We wanted to play fast but didn't seem to have any idea how to play with control or dictate pace of play. No wonder we faded in the second half of games so much
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@JA said in All Blacks 2026:
It's probably a good time to review the strength and conditioning role, and the actual goals of the program. Being fitter than everyone is not the trump card it was, particularly among the forwards There is a clear meta towards to a power game.
6-2 & 7-1 benches compound this, then TMO reviews, injuries, ambling towards scrums and lineouts slow the game down massively. One of the reasons the ultra-fast style Robertson was apparently trying to go for was years too late. It’s too reliant on the opposition wanting to play quick as well - SA or England can slow the game down at will with forwards having an apparent injury at almost every stoppage.
Then the meta of the power game is almost the opposite of the Super Rugby comp strengths.
They can certainly slow the game down if we kick the ball back to them every time we get it.
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On the chat about people wanting or not wanting to be the All Blacks coach at this stage in a cycle, given the player situation and depth etc.
I suspect the All Blacks role is a bit like the rare chances to become a Prime Minister or leader of the opposition.
An individual's planning or preference might be "not now, because reasons in the cycle". But when the window opens, it might be now or never as your one big chance in a career. If that's a role what you really want in the end.
Waiting might be for a second chance that never arrives, or when it does, someone else is in the spotlight.
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@Donsteppa said in All Blacks 2026:
On the chat about people wanting or not wanting to be the All Blacks coach at this stage in a cycle, given the player situation and depth etc.
I suspect the All Blacks role is a bit like the rare chances to become a Prime Minister or leader of the opposition.
An individual's planning or preference might be "not now, because reasons in the cycle". But when the window opens, it might be now or never as your one big chance in a career. If that's a role what you really want in the end.
Yeah that's where I'm sitting too - especially for the older candidates.
