Blues 2017
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Ok like TR I'm clearly not following what you're trying to say. I don't know why it wouldn't be curious to have the most CM players but it is to have Northland players.
@Bones what he is saying is Moulds, Goodhue, Pryor and Nock are only there to appease the mighty Northland Cartels...
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Ok like TR I'm clearly not following what you're trying to say. I don't know why it wouldn't be curious to have the most CM players but it is to have Northland players.
@Bones said in Blues 2017:
Ok like TR I'm clearly not following what you're trying to say. I don't know why it wouldn't be curious to have the most CM players but it is to have Northland players.
With the Counties point I was just saying bias isn't the only thing at play. Players will often play for the most geographically convenient franchise if given the option - so that could be a reason we have a disproportionate number of Northland players each and every year for the past decade.
There are two explanations for the statistical anomaly that is Northland players at the Blues where we consistently select more than all other NZ franchises combined.
- Picked as part of a quota, or at the very least given the benefit of the doubt for fringe spots due to being part of a junior partner in the Blues.
- These players are in demand from other Franchises but opt to play for the Blues.
Having watched Northland over the past half decade you will have a tough case making #2.
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Kara Pryor was excellent for the Blues laat year, Goodhue and Nock are both highly rated youngsters and former NZ U20 starters. So that just leaves Moulds.
Im not sure what going back half a decade is worth - Tana has only been with the team a year, the CEO not much longer. Before that was Kirwan who had issues with selection all over the shop.
So once again the rumour of Dalton Papali'i having a Blues contract is false - I wonder who the next 7 off the rank is - given Gibson's injury history it's likely they'll need another 7.
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Kara Pryor was excellent for the Blues laat year, Goodhue and Nock are both highly rated youngsters and former NZ U20 starters. So that just leaves Moulds.
Im not sure what going back half a decade is worth - Tana has only been with the team a year, the CEO not much longer. Before that was Kirwan who had issues with selection all over the shop.
So once again the rumour of Dalton Papali'i having a Blues contract is false - I wonder who the next 7 off the rank is - given Gibson's injury history it's likely they'll need another 7.
@KiwiMurph said in Blues 2017:
So once again the rumour of Dalton Papali'i having a Blues contract is false - I wonder who the next 7 off the rank is - given Gibson's injury history it's likely they'll need another 7.
Maybe they see Murphy Taramai as cover?
Google says he played 7 in some of the Harbour pre-season matches
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@Bones said in Blues 2017:
Ok like TR I'm clearly not following what you're trying to say. I don't know why it wouldn't be curious to have the most CM players but it is to have Northland players.
With the Counties point I was just saying bias isn't the only thing at play. Players will often play for the most geographically convenient franchise if given the option - so that could be a reason we have a disproportionate number of Northland players each and every year for the past decade.
There are two explanations for the statistical anomaly that is Northland players at the Blues where we consistently select more than all other NZ franchises combined.
- Picked as part of a quota, or at the very least given the benefit of the doubt for fringe spots due to being part of a junior partner in the Blues.
- These players are in demand from other Franchises but opt to play for the Blues.
Having watched Northland over the past half decade you will have a tough case making #2.
@rotated Well considering that 3 other Northland players are in other SR squads it wouldn't be that hard to make a case for point 2.
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@Bones said in Blues 2017:
@rotated wouldn't that also make it curious if you have the most Auckland recruits? And the hurricanes have the most Wellington recruits...
I don't think it's curious at all. Even in an "open market" since the draft was turfed the provinces still are clearly biased towards players (and coaches for that matter) from their franchise partners. Geographic proximity certainly plays a part too - Blues consistently have more Counties players than other non-Chiefs unions for example as Counties got on this great run.
The risks of being myopic are different for the Crusaders deferring to Canterbury reps than the Blues having a quota from the historically poor Northland.
But it's pretty clear if you follow Blues squads dating back to the Toeava exclusion that we will never see a Blues squad without at least 2-3 Taniwha, one will be the captain and the other ~two will always be 5th locks, 3rd hookers, 3rd halfbacks... We have four this year.
@rotated said in Blues 2017:
@Bones said in Blues 2017:
@rotated wouldn't that also make it curious if you have the most Auckland recruits? And the hurricanes have the most Wellington recruits...
I don't think it's curious at all. Even in an "open market" since the draft was turfed the provinces still are clearly biased towards players (and coaches for that matter) from their franchise partners. Geographic proximity certainly plays a part too - Blues consistently have more Counties players than other non-Chiefs unions for example as Counties got on this great run.
The risks of being myopic are different for the Crusaders deferring to Canterbury reps than the Blues having a quota from the historically poor Northland.
but it's pretty clear if you follow Blues squads dating back to the Toeava exclusion that we will never see a Blues squad without at least 2-3 Taniwha, one will be the captain and the other ~two will always be 5th locks, 3rd hookers, 3rd halfbacks... We have four this year.
A nice theory, but over the last 10 seasons....
Northland Blues ( E& OE)
2007 : Justin Collins (c), David Holwell.
2008: Justin Collins (c), Bronson Murray.
2009: Justin Collins, Rene Ranger.
2010: Rene Ranger, Lachie Munro.
2011: Jarred Payne (c), Lachie Munro.
2012: Rene Ranger, Lachie Munro, Dan Pryor, Cam Goodhue.
2013 Rene Ranger (c).
2014: -
2015: Daniel Bowden, Jack Ram, Michael Moulds (c)
2016: Kara Pryor, Mike Moulds (c), Namatahi Waa, Sam Nock, Jack Ram.Loose Forwards = 5, Inside Backs = 3, Outside backs = 2, Props = 2, Halfback =1, Hooker = 1, Locks = 0.
Captains not chosen on merit?.... you decide
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Ranger is an interesting one because defensively he is a beast at centre and is able to compete for the ball where he is one of the best in the world as a back.
However in attack he has looked lost there. I like him on the wing as his lack of passing game isn't too much of an issue.
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@Bones said in Blues 2017:
Ok like TR I'm clearly not following what you're trying to say. I don't know why it wouldn't be curious to have the most CM players but it is to have Northland players.
With the Counties point I was just saying bias isn't the only thing at play. Players will often play for the most geographically convenient franchise if given the option - so that could be a reason we have a disproportionate number of Northland players each and every year for the past decade.
There are two explanations for the statistical anomaly that is Northland players at the Blues where we consistently select more than all other NZ franchises combined.
- Picked as part of a quota, or at the very least given the benefit of the doubt for fringe spots due to being part of a junior partner in the Blues.
- These players are in demand from other Franchises but opt to play for the Blues.
Having watched Northland over the past half decade you will have a tough case making #2.
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@rotated said in Blues 2017:
@Bones said in Blues 2017:
@rotated wouldn't that also make it curious if you have the most Auckland recruits? And the hurricanes have the most Wellington recruits...
I don't think it's curious at all. Even in an "open market" since the draft was turfed the provinces still are clearly biased towards players (and coaches for that matter) from their franchise partners. Geographic proximity certainly plays a part too - Blues consistently have more Counties players than other non-Chiefs unions for example as Counties got on this great run.
The risks of being myopic are different for the Crusaders deferring to Canterbury reps than the Blues having a quota from the historically poor Northland.
but it's pretty clear if you follow Blues squads dating back to the Toeava exclusion that we will never see a Blues squad without at least 2-3 Taniwha, one will be the captain and the other ~two will always be 5th locks, 3rd hookers, 3rd halfbacks... We have four this year.
A nice theory, but over the last 10 seasons....
Northland Blues ( E& OE)
2007 : Justin Collins (c), David Holwell.
2008: Justin Collins (c), Bronson Murray.
2009: Justin Collins, Rene Ranger.
2010: Rene Ranger, Lachie Munro.
2011: Jarred Payne (c), Lachie Munro.
2012: Rene Ranger, Lachie Munro, Dan Pryor, Cam Goodhue.
2013 Rene Ranger (c).
2014: -
2015: Daniel Bowden, Jack Ram, Michael Moulds (c)
2016: Kara Pryor, Mike Moulds (c), Namatahi Waa, Sam Nock, Jack Ram.Loose Forwards = 5, Inside Backs = 3, Outside backs = 2, Props = 2, Halfback =1, Hooker = 1, Locks = 0.
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@Pepe
A few adjustments to your stats Pepe, 2015 Matt Moulds was WTG 2016 Add in Jack Ram. Dan Bowden never actually took the field for Northland so you could actually leave him out of the stats, cheers.@Northlandallday
Thanks for the corrections (that's why I always slip the "E & OE" in).
But didn't Matt Moulds debut in 2015 vs the Stormers?
I'll leave Dan Bowden in the figures because he was contracted to and involved with the Northland squad (despite being injured). -
Kara Pryor was excellent for the Blues laat year, Goodhue and Nock are both highly rated youngsters and former NZ U20 starters. So that just leaves Moulds.
Im not sure what going back half a decade is worth - Tana has only been with the team a year, the CEO not much longer. Before that was Kirwan who had issues with selection all over the shop.
So once again the rumour of Dalton Papali'i having a Blues contract is false - I wonder who the next 7 off the rank is - given Gibson's injury history it's likely they'll need another 7.
@KiwiMurph I would guess Mat Mattich may be brought in. He must have been close to Taramai's spot in the squad as he was excellent for Northland this year (though often at number eight). He trained with the squad last season and played pre season I think.
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09 Nov 2016
The Blues welcome Olympic weightlifting coach Dr. Adam Storey to the team as the new Sports Science Manager and Assistant Strength & Conditioning Coach under Jason Price.
Adam has a Doctorate in Sport and Exercise Science and Physiology from Auckland University and he is currently a Research Fellow at AUT University’s Sports Performance Research Institute. Since 2008, Adam has coached New Zealand weightlifting teams at key pinnacle events including the 2010 and 2014 Commonwealth Games, and the 2012 and 2016 Olympic Games.
Prior to coming on board with the Blues, Adam worked for High Performance Sport New Zealand as the Lead Strength and Conditioning Specialist for Athletics NZ. In this role he worked closely with Valerie Adams and supervised her strength and conditioning work in her come back from surgery over the past two years.
Adam is Hamilton-born and had some involvement with the Chiefs but also moved to Wellington where he lived for some years which lead to him naming his first born son after his favourite All Black Christian Cullen.
He has always wanted to work fulltime in the professional sporting environment for the Blues.
“Like all Kiwis I love rugby. But as a professional in the strength and conditioning field, I have always wanted to work fulltime in the rugby environment and for a professional sport.”
“I am really excited to have the opportunity to work with the Blues. The facilities, the staff and the approach here is fantastic and I am looking forward to working with the players when they begin officially next month.”
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16 Nov 2016
The Blues will welcome back their long-term injured players ready for the start of the 2017 Investec Super Rugby season.
Former New Zealand Under-20 star TJ Faiane and fan favourite Rene Ranger are progressing well in their rehabilitation. Both suffered season-ending anterior cruciate ligament injuries earlier this year and both have faced long term rehabilitation – Faiane for 13 months and Ranger for 11 months.
“Both have done a great job in terms of rehabilitation following their surgeries,” said Blues medical director, Dr Stephen Kara. “These sorts of injuries require real patience and discipline and both guys have coped well with the situation and the mental challenges to do things by the book.”
Rehabilitation is a long-term planned activity beginning after recovery from surgery, based on each individual case.
The first phase involves gentle activation of muscles and low-risk cardio work, which increases in phase 2 to include more fitness on the bike and grinder, and neuromuscular training on wobble board and rocker board.
From weeks 7-12 allows for some straight-line running and phase 4 up to 16 weeks includes goals of straight running without pain and jumping without difficulty.
The progression for the next 10 weeks involves aggressive strengthening work with squats and leg press and step ups, agility drills, plyometrics with hopping and jumping and sport-specific interval and other training work which is the final phase until return to play – no earlier than seven months after recovery from surgery.
Both players are expected to play a full part in the Blues pre-season plans which get underway in early December.
New signing Sonny Bill Williams, who suffered an Achilles tendon rupture at the Rio Olympics, is also progressing well in his rehabilitation and is expected to return at some stage later in the Blues’ open eight-game block until their first bye.
Captain James Parsons is due to return for the start of pre-season after more than two months out with acute concussion.
George Moala has returned home from the All Blacks Northern Tour with an elbow ligament injury but Dr Kara believes he should also be ready early in the pre-season training block.
A number of players have minor injuries suffered during the Mitre-10 Cup competition but all are expected to be ready for the start of pre-season training. These include Michael Collins (hand injury), Piers Francis (hand), Blake Gibson (shoulder), Josh Goodhue (ankle), Sam Nock (hand), Declan O’Donnell (wrist) and Jimmy Tupou (face).
The other members of the All Blacks will make gradual returns to the Blues with the likes of Jerome Kaino, Patrick Tuipulotu and Charlie Faumuina the last to come back to the squad before the start of the season.
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Harry Plummer is recovering from a shoulder operation, and is aiming for NZ U20 in 2018.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11753558
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It's looking like all the Blues will be fully available from the start, except SBW and Parsons (~ round 5 return), established All Blacks Kaino and Faumuina ("gradual return"), and possibly Tuipulotu.
So, what's the early season starting XXIII going to look like?
We know that Francis is favoured for 12, so that leaves the back three, hooker, locking combination (Tupou/Scrafton has been hinted at), and openside flanker as points of contention.
I'll go with this prediction:
15. Nanai 14. Duffie (10s captain, would prefer M. Vaega) 13. Moala 12. Francis 11. R. Ioane 10. West 9. A. Pulu 8. Luatua 7. Gibson (K. Pryor plenty of time off the bench) 6. A. Ioane 5. Scrafton 4. Tupou (C) 3. O. Tu’ungafasi 2. Moulds/Faiva (no idea who will start) 1. Manu 16. Hodgman 17. Faiva/Moulds 18. Mafileo (early return from the bench for Faumuina?) 19. Cowley-Tuioti/Tuipulotu (returning from the bench?) 20. K. Pryor 21. Guyton (would love to see Nock overtake him) 22. Perofeta (covers 10 & 15) 23. M. Vaega (covers midfield & wing) -
I think that later in the season we'll see:
15. Nanai 14. Duffie/Vaega/Collins 13. Moala 12. SBW 11. R. Ioane 10. West 9. A. Pulu 8. Luatua 7. Gibson 6. Kaino/A. Ioane (sharing starts) 5. Scrafton 4. Tuipulotu 3. Faumuina 2. Parsons 1. Manu 16. Hodgman 17. Faiva/Moulds 18. O. Tu’ungafasi 19. Tupou/A. Iaone 20. K. Pryor/A. Iaone/Kaino 21. Guyton 22. Francis/Perofeta 23. M. Vaega/Duffie/Collins -
Probably put Ranger at 14?
@taniwharugby Shoot, I forgot about him.
I suspect that the coaches might go for a "2nd fullback" type wing.
