All Blacks - New Coach Selection
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
it's been a shemozzle since 2022 really.
Since 2019, really - if you assume the selection of "coaching teams" meant Fozzie ended up with Plumtree and Mooar, when he would have preferred others (my perception is probably Ryan and Brown - but, I haven't read Fozzie's book to see if he gives any clues). Seems likely we would have been more successful and quite possibly never had the 2022 crisis.
In the real world, you're probably right about moving Fozzie on after the Ireland series if he's not the man - but, it's tricky if the players tell you he's doing a fabulous job.
Would probably have been better for Razor, because he could potentially have named Whitelock as his captain and had Mo'unga as his first five.
Overall, it's pretty annoying to me, that everyone wanted Tony Brown as an AB assistant, but he's ended up with Rassie - while Tony's saying he definitely wants to coach the ABs one day.
Seems pretty evident that the head coaching battle is going to be between JJ and Rennie - largely because neither have confirmed or denied. I think pretty much every other credible contender is largely ruled out.
Don't have a strong opinion as to who should get it - probably lean slightly towards Rennie, but I'm inclined to think Joseph might have the inside track.
I'd be pretty surprised if the loser of this battle would then sign up as an assistant, so I'm really wondering what quality assistants we're going to line up. I think I'm pretty happy if Ryan stays on.
If we've got to have lots of coaches - I think I'd like to see a Head Coach, a Forwards Coach, A Backs Coach, an Assistant Forwards Coach, and an Assistant Backs Coach - along with specialist skills coaches as required. I don't really get how having attack and defence coaches really work, since these are two sides of the same coin.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
If we've got to have lots of coaches - I think I'd like to see a Head Coach, a Forwards Coach, A Backs Coach, an Assistant Forwards Coach, and an Assistant Backs Coach - along with specialist skills coaches as required. I don't really get how having attack and defence coaches really work, since these are two sides of the same coin.
strangely for me i don't have an opinion on the make up of the team and the delegation of duties, as i have no idea how an elite level team sets up their week.
I do hope that there are experts on basic skills, and both main set pieces.
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@george33 said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Joseph, Fozzie, Hansen , I could handle that until after 2027 .add another 1 maybe a McDonald .
Can't see Hansen being able to work with Joseph or Rennie with Joseph. Perhaps I'm wrong, but they seem too used to being the boss. They'd be too many clashes.
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oh yeah absolutely, the most efficient way to run anything is by committee
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
oh yeah absolutely, the most efficient way to run anything is by committee
Yep we just had a couple of years of that. And boy didn't that work well!!!
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@reprobate said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
However, I think if you're going to list reasons Robertson was selected then his success with the Crusaders probably deserves a mention.
It wasn't just we have to get rid of Foster no matter what; we seemed to have a better option . . . just right there.
It is a different scenario this time; all the balls are up in the air, as they should be.As to the lack of gossip, my thoughts are that it was probably a few of the most gossipy days ever at NZR Hq when the move was made on Razor, and the TSF may have been used as a subtle way to pool the gossip.
Hq types lurking on TSF to find out what was goin on, and feeding a few gossips.
All back to boring usual at Hq.
Might liven up when it seems like it might be getting close to a decision. -
@mohikamo said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@reprobate said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
However, I think if you're going to list reasons Robertson was selected then his success with the Crusaders probably deserves a mention.
It wasn't just we have to get rid of Foster no matter what; we seemed to have a better option . . . just right there.
It is a different scenario this time; all the balls are up in the air, as they should be.As to the lack of gossip, my thoughts are that it was probably a few of the most gossipy days ever at NZR Hq when the move was made on Razor, and the TSF may have been used as a subtle way to pool the gossip.
Hq types lurking on TSF to find out what was goin on, and feeding a few gossips.
All back to boring usual at Hq.
Might liven up when it seems like it might be getting close to a decision.Ugh I feel so used
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
strangely for me i don't have an opinion on the make up of the team and the delegation of duties, as i have no idea how an elite level team sets up their week.
I watched a SR trial game on the weekend.
One of the teams stayed on the field at half-time.It was interesting to note that all the ACs stayed outside the huddle, lurking a few metres away, with no input.
Only the HC was in the middle of the huddle, doin the talkin (with possibly one AC (a short one), couldn't quite see).
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
I'd be pretty surprised if the loser of this battle would then sign up as an assistant, so I'm really wondering what quality assistants we're going to line up. I think I'm pretty happy if Ryan stays on.
If we've got to have lots of coaches - I think I'd like to see a Head Coach, a Forwards Coach, A Backs Coach, an Assistant Forwards Coach, and an Assistant Backs Coach - along with specialist skills coaches as required. I don't really get how having attack and defence coaches really work, since these are two sides of the same coin.
Lining up the assistants is what'll take some time; all the possible combinations, who will/can work with who, who is available.
If NZR are doing all this, that is how it should be, it should not be left for the HC candidates to do all that themselves.The TSF chat seems to be all about this ATM, so I imagine it is the same at HQ.
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All Blacks coach race: Jamie Joseph and Dave Rennie emerge as only real contenders
Applications to be the All Blacks head coach closed today and having started with a long list of 11 who met the criteria of having previously been in charge of an international team, six were effectively deemed of high interest, but it’s likely only two have put their hat in the ring.
For the seventh successive contestable process, the supposed ultimate job in world rugby has most probably only attracted two genuine candidates: Jamie Joseph and Dave Rennie.
Even then, it was not always certain the latter would apply, having hummed-hawed due partly to a long-held desire to take a break once his current commitment with Japanese club Kobe finishes in May/June, and partly because of a long-held lack of trust in New Zealand Rugby to behave in a consistent and transparent manner befitting a high-performance institution.
Also mentioned was that Dave Rennie had such a bad relationship with NZR, and particularly Steve Tew, that he didn't want to apply for AB coach in 2019.
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@Tim said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
All Blacks coach race: Jamie Joseph and Dave Rennie emerge as only real contenders
Applications to be the All Blacks head coach closed today and having started with a long list of 11 who met the criteria of having previously been in charge of an international team, six were effectively deemed of high interest, but it’s likely only two have put their hat in the ring.
For the seventh successive contestable process, the supposed ultimate job in world rugby has most probably only attracted two genuine candidates: Jamie Joseph and Dave Rennie.
Even then, it was not always certain the latter would apply, having hummed-hawed due partly to a long-held desire to take a break once his current commitment with Japanese club Kobe finishes in May/June, and partly because of a long-held lack of trust in New Zealand Rugby to behave in a consistent and transparent manner befitting a high-performance institution.
Also mentioned was that Dave Rennie had such a bad relationship with NZR, and particularly Steve Tew, that he didn't want to apply for AB coach in 2019.
That's disappointing. We can't afford to scare playing or coaching talent away
