All Blacks - New Coach Selection
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@Richie8-7 said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
I thought everyone agreed that it was all Nonu's fault when a Super team he moved to didn't perform
it wasn't just the team didnt perform....nonu was bang average, played like someone they knew they would still get picked for the AB's so could take it easy
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@pukunui said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Does anyone recall what happened with the 2013 Highlanders? Looking at the squad it was pretty stacked but IIRC that season was a bit of a disaster. Coincidentally that was one of the seasons Rennie’s Chiefs were killing it with a lesser squad (on paper at least).
i feel thats cherry picking a bit...you could also point to almost every other year of his tenure and say there was steady improvement ending in a title and looked like he learnt a lot from the season he tried to buy the title
@Frank said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
The consensus seems to be Joseph has the job merely because he coached NZ A.
But player mamangement is so important.
Rennie is far superior in this respect.and thats simplifying things quite a bit, a successful NA campaign with positive review form players is important but also has good hinstory in the nz domestic scene plus overseas experience....its not like he was the only one available for NZA and fluked his way into it
Again, im not trying to create some narrative that JJ isn’t up to it. Genuinely interested to hear whether there was ever details about why that season wasn’t a success even with those players in the squad.
The bit about Rennie doing well with the chiefs that year was more of an afterthought when i realised that was one of the years he won it. -
@pukunui there are a few people on here that might have an actual inside word on that season...but just watching as a fan i always thought nonu looked like he didn't give a fuck and the guys around him asumed he was going to win things on his own so werent trying as hard as they normally would
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CBF'd reading the last 10 pages. Someone bring me up to speed. Who's the new coach and his assistants?
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@antipodean said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
CBF'd reading the last 10 pages. Someone bring me up to speed. Who's the new coach and his assistants?
Brad Thorn
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@antipodean said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
CBF'd reading the last 10 pages. Someone bring me up to speed. Who's the new coach and his assistants?
Brad Thorn
Excellent. His loose forwards hit rucks.
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Any updates or rumours from anyone on announcement timings?
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@antipodean said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
CBF'd reading the last 10 pages. Someone bring me up to speed. Who's the new coach and his assistants?
Joseph or Rennie. Foster's also involved - responsible for supplying the pies.
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@Frank said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
A contract has been offered - at current a long way apart.
To whoM and for what role?
Corrected
Or, I should correct. Jamie Joseph wants a six year contract, they are offering two.
I am unsure if the two year deal is a universal offer.
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@frugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Frank said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
A contract has been offered - at current a long way apart.
To whoM and for what role?
Corrected
Or, I should correct. Jamie Joseph wants a six year contract, they are offering two.
I am unsure if the two year deal is a universal offer.
No one gets a straight 6 year deal after the Razor debacle. Maybe a 3 X 2 with a performance based out clause every 2
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anyone expecting one past the RWC is dreaming i think
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@frugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Frank said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
A contract has been offered - at current a long way apart.
To whoM and for what role?
Corrected
Or, I should correct. Jamie Joseph wants a six year contract, they are offering two.
I am unsure if the two year deal is a universal offer.
Lol thanks for the info, but that made me burst out loud laughing.
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@canefan said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Frank said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
A contract has been offered - at current a long way apart.
To whoM and for what role?
Corrected
Or, I should correct. Jamie Joseph wants a six year contract, they are offering two.
I am unsure if the two year deal is a universal offer.
No one gets a straight 6 year deal after the Razor debacle. Maybe a 3 X 2 with a performance based out clause every 2
I guess the concern any coach might have here, is you take the job, and with a lack of time to implement your ideas you lose the Springboks Tour, and then go out to the Boks in the World Cup QF, and you are out of the job.
I think six is excessive, but I can see why someone would want more than two.
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New Zealand Rugby (NZR) will get its man – that’s not in doubt – but when exactly it gets access to him, be it either Jamie Joseph or Dave Rennie – is a big unknown.
With applications for the job having closed on Tuesday and strong reason to believe Joseph and Rennie are the only two candidates that will be interviewed, NZR is hopeful that it will have the next All Blacks coach signed within six weeks.
On that timeline, the new man will likely be announced in early-mid-March – which will be sometime between rounds five and six of Super Rugby Pacific, which kicks off next week, and about week 10 or 11 of the 18-week Japanese Top League.
Getting Rennie – he’s with the Kobe Steelers – out of Japan will likely be simpler and less fraught than dealing with the complexities and sensitivities of hauling Joseph out of a Super club midway through a campaign.
Rennie is off contract at the end of the season (early June) and signalled to Kobe some time ago that he would not be extending his stay beyond the current season.
Kobe have already secured coaching replacements for next season and Sir Wayne Smith is joining as director of rugby – and so the assumption is that having been transparent with the club about his future, Rennie has declared to his current employer that he has applied for the All Blacks job.
