All Blacks - New Coach Selection
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This is all part of the negotiation. Perfectly reasonable for the Highlanders to want that to happen.
But the chances of it actually happening are very slim.
@frugby additionally, I doubt any coach moving from Super to AB duties is gonna want to leave thier team in the lurch, there will be a plan of some sort.
Who knows, maybe the players have noticed a bit more handsoff approach by JJ this year with his impending exit (if it transpires)
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as a related aside, for coaches in NZ super or say in Japan, do they often have a break clause in the situation where they are suddenly picked for national rugby teams? I'd hazard there's some world rugby overall policy on this but AI tells me there isn't? Interesting.
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as a related aside, for coaches in NZ super or say in Japan, do they often have a break clause in the situation where they are suddenly picked for national rugby teams? I'd hazard there's some world rugby overall policy on this but AI tells me there isn't? Interesting.
@nostrildamus i mean, for NZ arent they the same employer ultimately?
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Last Super Rugby pool game is May 30.
Super Rugby final this year is June 23.
First All Black game against France is July 4.
First Springbok tour game August 7.I'd say if Jospeh want the AB job he should be an independent coach well before the end of Super Rugby. (and the same goes for Rennie)
@Frank said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Last Super Rugby pool game is May 30.
Super Rugby final this year is June 23.
First All Black game against France is July 4.
First Springbok tour game August 7.I'd say if Jospeh want the AB job he should be an independent coach well before the end of Super Rugby. (and the same goes for Rennie)
Its probably do able but I wouldn't think its ideal for an AB head coach. I def prefer all his time and planning going towards the international season ahead which is going to be freakishly tough enough
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I'm not as worried about lead in time
Razor had more than a year between his last Super game coached and his first AB game as coach and it was certainly not apparent.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
I'm not as worried about lead in time
Razor had more than a year between his last Super game coached and his first AB game as coach and it was certainly not apparent.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
I'm not as worried about lead in time
Razor had more than a year between his last Super game coached and his first AB game as coach and it was certainly not apparent.
That's a point that bears repeating.
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The Japanese top league season runs until May as well.
Why would a Japanese side give Rennie an early release. They don't give a fuck about the All Blacks.
Out of the two coaches finishing in May. Do you prefer the one coaching in the competition? or the one in a different one.
These are both active coaches. Where comprimises will need to be made.
@SouthernMann said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
The Japanese top league season runs until May as well.
Why would a Japanese side give Rennie an early release. They don't give a fuck about the All Blacks.
Out of the two coaches finishing in May. Do you prefer the one coaching in the competition? or the one in a different one.
These are both active coaches. Where comprimises will need to be made.
Kobe is currently 3rd, and I'm sure that will make the quarter finals at least, so I would say that is about right, unless they make the final, in which case he won't be available until early June.
If they don't make the playoffs, he could be free by mid-May (last regular season game is the 10th I think). They make it though.
Edit, If Smith takes over there could be some wiggle room - look at the fucking number of staff!
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@nostrildamus i mean, for NZ arent they the same employer ultimately?
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@nostrildamus i mean, for NZ arent they the same employer ultimately?
yes
but if you have coaches overseas there is no coverage, no contractual default considerations. Given the RWC is the biggest product and coaches can work anywhere this might be an oversight. But I am sure Mark Robinson will fix everything
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I'm not as worried about lead in time
Razor had more than a year between his last Super game coached and his first AB game as coach and it was certainly not apparent.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
I'm not as worried about lead in time
Razor had more than a year between his last Super game coached and his first AB game as coach and it was certainly not apparent.
that's not really a strong counter argument though is it?
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@Frank said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Last Super Rugby pool game is May 30.
Super Rugby final this year is June 23.
First All Black game against France is July 4.
First Springbok tour game August 7.I'd say if Jospeh want the AB job he should be an independent coach well before the end of Super Rugby. (and the same goes for Rennie)
Its probably do able but I wouldn't think its ideal for an AB head coach. I def prefer all his time and planning going towards the international season ahead which is going to be freakishly tough enough
@kidcalder said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Frank said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Last Super Rugby pool game is May 30.
Super Rugby final this year is June 23.
First All Black game against France is July 4.
First Springbok tour game August 7.I'd say if Jospeh want the AB job he should be an independent coach well before the end of Super Rugby. (and the same goes for Rennie)
Its probably do able but I wouldn't think its ideal for an AB head coach. I def prefer all his time and planning going towards the international season ahead which is going to be freakishly tough enough
Planning for RWC used to be a year in advance. Simple things like accommodation, practice facilities and other requirements all need sorting out. Who does that stuff while we wait for a new HC, and will the new man be happy with those arrangements being made without his input? I guess he'll have to be
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@kidcalder said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Frank said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Last Super Rugby pool game is May 30.
Super Rugby final this year is June 23.
First All Black game against France is July 4.
First Springbok tour game August 7.I'd say if Jospeh want the AB job he should be an independent coach well before the end of Super Rugby. (and the same goes for Rennie)
Its probably do able but I wouldn't think its ideal for an AB head coach. I def prefer all his time and planning going towards the international season ahead which is going to be freakishly tough enough
Planning for RWC used to be a year in advance. Simple things like accommodation, practice facilities and other requirements all need sorting out. Who does that stuff while we wait for a new HC, and will the new man be happy with those arrangements being made without his input? I guess he'll have to be
@canefan i honestly wouldnt have thought arranging that stuff was the remit of the HC, hell even training grounds are arranged through the event organisers, i know my club is working with RWC to be a training facility
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
I'm not as worried about lead in time
Razor had more than a year between his last Super game coached and his first AB game as coach and it was certainly not apparent.
that's not really a strong counter argument though is it?
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
I'm not as worried about lead in time
Razor had more than a year between his last Super game coached and his first AB game as coach and it was certainly not apparent.
that's not really a strong counter argument though is it?
Let me put it another way
It's not how much lead in time you have.
It's what you do with your lead in time.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
I'm not as worried about lead in time
Razor had more than a year between his last Super game coached and his first AB game as coach and it was certainly not apparent.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
I'm not as worried about lead in time
Razor had more than a year between his last Super game coached and his first AB game as coach and it was certainly not apparent.
That's a point that bears repeating.
@Frank said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
I'm not as worried about lead in time
Razor had more than a year between his last Super game coached and his first AB game as coach and it was certainly not apparent.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
I'm not as worried about lead in time
Razor had more than a year between his last Super game coached and his first AB game as coach and it was certainly not apparent.
That's a point that bears repeating.
You can say that again.....
Anyway, I don't think timings are key - much more important to get the new coach and his team right. That can be done in a way that doesn't stiff any SR side.
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@Dan54 I hear ya. But why not utilise some of the available IP. He can teach the new captain how to captain, for example. Lead the players in establishing standards so the coach can focus on game planning. Could actually result in fewer voices instead of having a leadership group with 7 included.
@game_film said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Dan54 I hear ya. But why not utilise some of the available IP. He can teach the new captain how to captain, for example. Lead the players in establishing standards so the coach can focus on game planning. Could actually result in fewer voices instead of having a leadership group with 7 included.
Well they had almost 7 when he was captain from what I recall.
But genuinely not keen on pulling out people from past. It time we moved on, and although Richie was a great captain, he was a great captain of a team that played 11 years ago, I understand your point, but I will say again, I agree with @victor-meldrew, and I think it would be go with less is more for management. -
@game_film said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Dan54 I hear ya. But why not utilise some of the available IP. He can teach the new captain how to captain, for example. Lead the players in establishing standards so the coach can focus on game planning. Could actually result in fewer voices instead of having a leadership group with 7 included.
Well they had almost 7 when he was captain from what I recall.
But genuinely not keen on pulling out people from past. It time we moved on, and although Richie was a great captain, he was a great captain of a team that played 11 years ago, I understand your point, but I will say again, I agree with @victor-meldrew, and I think it would be go with less is more for management.@Dan54 said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@game_film said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Dan54 I hear ya. But why not utilise some of the available IP. He can teach the new captain how to captain, for example. Lead the players in establishing standards so the coach can focus on game planning. Could actually result in fewer voices instead of having a leadership group with 7 included.
Well they had almost 7 when he was captain from what I recall.
But genuinely not keen on pulling out people from past. It time we moved on, and although Richie was a great captain, he was a great captain of a team that played 11 years ago, I understand your point, but I will say again, I agree with @victor-meldrew, and I think it would be go with less is more for management.look, I generally agree with you that looking to the past isn't great.
But this is Richie Fucking McCaw. The GOAT of the sport. The toughest mentally I have ever seen. He talks, you listen, you take fucking notes and you put the fucking playstation controller down and start wearing black boots and saying 'sir' to your seniors.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
I'm not as worried about lead in time
Razor had more than a year between his last Super game coached and his first AB game as coach and it was certainly not apparent.
that's not really a strong counter argument though is it?
Let me put it another way
It's not how much lead in time you have.
It's what you do with your lead in time.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Let me put it another way
It's not how much lead in time you have.
It's what you do with your lead in time.
Yes that sounds right.
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@Frank said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
I'm not as worried about lead in time
Razor had more than a year between his last Super game coached and his first AB game as coach and it was certainly not apparent.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
I'm not as worried about lead in time
Razor had more than a year between his last Super game coached and his first AB game as coach and it was certainly not apparent.
That's a point that bears repeating.
You can say that again.....
Anyway, I don't think timings are key - much more important to get the new coach and his team right. That can be done in a way that doesn't stiff any SR side.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
That can be done in a way that doesn't stiff any SR side.
I dont care about SR, and neither does NZR.
They dont think twice about pulling players from the comp (including right now), cant see why they'd treat a coach any different to a player.
