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    Windhorst reckons that the Pistons are likely happy with it, seems to think it is good for morale and their reputation.

    He was also saying that now the Moose will get some more people knowing who he is.

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      Spurs released Sochan over night.

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        CP3 is done

        https://www.espn.com.au/nba/story/_/id/47920879/chris-paul-announces-retirement-nba-21-seasons

        One of the great point guards, he was the centre piece of lob city. As a Lakers fan, I will wonder what might have been if David Silver hadn't blocked his trade to LAL. The type of guy home fans love, chippy and sneaky against opposition teams (he had a mean groin punch).

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          Gets heaps of hate (where is @act-crusader anyway)
          But has been a huge floor raiser for young teams the last few years. Gifted player.
          Sad he never got that ring, but hey, not everyone does.

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          • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

            Gets heaps of hate (where is @act-crusader anyway)
            But has been a huge floor raiser for young teams the last few years. Gifted player.
            Sad he never got that ring, but hey, not everyone does.

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            @mariner4life said in NBA 25/26:

            Gets heaps of hate (where is @act-crusader anyway)
            But has been a huge floor raiser for young teams the last few years. Gifted player.
            Sad he never got that ring, but hey, not everyone does.

            Sir Charles, Pat Ewing, Stockton and Malone, AI all say hi. If he'd joined LA, he and Kobe would have won one. He'll still go to the Hall of fame

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              Mark Cuban with a pretty bold tweet today.

              What he essentially articulates (or what he implies without saying so necessarily) is that the NBA is primarily an entertainment product rather than a competitive sporting thing and that the NBA regular season is completely pointless other than being a venue to take your kids for a few hours to eat popcorn.

              He says no-one remembers the scores of the games they watch and that tanking is not really a big deal.

              Maybe he is just saying the quiet part out loud and just stating what everyone already thinks but what it's a pretty astonishing admission for an owner/former owner to make.

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              • canefanC canefan

                CP3 is done

                https://www.espn.com.au/nba/story/_/id/47920879/chris-paul-announces-retirement-nba-21-seasons

                One of the great point guards, he was the centre piece of lob city. As a Lakers fan, I will wonder what might have been if David Silver hadn't blocked his trade to LAL. The type of guy home fans love, chippy and sneaky against opposition teams (he had a mean groin punch).

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                @canefan said in NBA 25/26:

                CP3 is done

                https://www.espn.com.au/nba/story/_/id/47920879/chris-paul-announces-retirement-nba-21-seasons

                One of the great point guards, he was the centre piece of lob city. As a Lakers fan, I will wonder what might have been if David Silver hadn't blocked his trade to LAL. The type of guy home fans love, chippy and sneaky against opposition teams (he had a mean groin punch).

                Or when he was with my team (Houston Rockets), 2018 Conference semis vs Warriors, Game 5 CP3 goes down with a hammy. Rockets are up 3-2 with home court advantage. KD and Steph lead Warriors go on to win the NBA Finals against LeBron's Cavs.

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                  he's right.

                  The season really starts this week after the fuck around of the All Star break.

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                  • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                    he's right.

                    The season really starts this week after the fuck around of the All Star break.

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                    @mariner4life said in NBA 25/26:

                    he's right.

                    The season really starts this week after the fuck around of the All Star break.

                    I don't see the big deal, the only way for teams to make transformational change is to draft generational players (and do a good job with them). The data on championship teams not having a player who is (or has been) an MVP shows that you must have one of the best players in the league to be the best. Add in small market teams with no other revenue streams (compare the TV money of the Lakers and Memphis, as Windy is always going on about) and it's not like there are many things to do as a small market team in a shit location.

                    Personally, I want the Mavs to tank fucking hard and don't give a fuck about this season's results.

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                      yeah i don't have a problem with tanking (gambling companies do).

                      I have a bigger problem with "load management" and tiered pricing. Though not personally as i don't attend games.

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                      • gt12G gt12

                        @mariner4life said in NBA 25/26:

                        he's right.

                        The season really starts this week after the fuck around of the All Star break.

                        I don't see the big deal, the only way for teams to make transformational change is to draft generational players (and do a good job with them). The data on championship teams not having a player who is (or has been) an MVP shows that you must have one of the best players in the league to be the best. Add in small market teams with no other revenue streams (compare the TV money of the Lakers and Memphis, as Windy is always going on about) and it's not like there are many things to do as a small market team in a shit location.

                        Personally, I want the Mavs to tank fucking hard and don't give a fuck about this season's results.

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                        @gt12 said in NBA 25/26:

                        @mariner4life said in NBA 25/26:

                        he's right.

                        The season really starts this week after the fuck around of the All Star break.

                        I don't see the big deal, the only way for teams to make transformational change is to draft generational players (and do a good job with them). The data on championship teams not having a player who is (or has been) an MVP shows that you must have one of the best players in the league to be the best. Add in small market teams with no other revenue streams (compare the TV money of the Lakers and Memphis, as Windy is always going on about) and it's not like there are many things to do as a small market team in a shit location.

                        Personally, I want the Mavs to tank fucking hard and don't give a fuck about this season's results.

                        Sorry mate but Dallas have only got themselves to blame for the shit they find themselves in. The already got Flagg, another top 5 pick would be a reward for ownership and managerial incompetence

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                        • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                          yeah i don't have a problem with tanking (gambling companies do).

                          I have a bigger problem with "load management" and tiered pricing. Though not personally as i don't attend games.

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                          @mariner4life said in NBA 25/26:

                          yeah i don't have a problem with tanking (gambling companies do).

                          I have a bigger problem with "load management" and tiered pricing. Though not personally as i don't attend games.

                          If I was going to the US to pay to watch a game I wouldn't be happy with seeing all of my favourite stars in street clothes.

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                            Mark Cuban with a pretty bold tweet today.

                            What he essentially articulates (or what he implies without saying so necessarily) is that the NBA is primarily an entertainment product rather than a competitive sporting thing and that the NBA regular season is completely pointless other than being a venue to take your kids for a few hours to eat popcorn.

                            He says no-one remembers the scores of the games they watch and that tanking is not really a big deal.

                            Maybe he is just saying the quiet part out loud and just stating what everyone already thinks but what it's a pretty astonishing admission for an owner/former owner to make.

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                            @nonpartizan

                            he's talking rubbish and he know's it
                            the reason he sold out his control of the mavs was because he wanted to build a casino
                            there are fans, and then there's GAMBLING
                            cant have teams playing silly buggers on the court when folks are putting money on the game

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                            • canefanC canefan

                              @gt12 said in NBA 25/26:

                              @mariner4life said in NBA 25/26:

                              he's right.

                              The season really starts this week after the fuck around of the All Star break.

                              I don't see the big deal, the only way for teams to make transformational change is to draft generational players (and do a good job with them). The data on championship teams not having a player who is (or has been) an MVP shows that you must have one of the best players in the league to be the best. Add in small market teams with no other revenue streams (compare the TV money of the Lakers and Memphis, as Windy is always going on about) and it's not like there are many things to do as a small market team in a shit location.

                              Personally, I want the Mavs to tank fucking hard and don't give a fuck about this season's results.

                              Sorry mate but Dallas have only got themselves to blame for the shit they find themselves in. The already got Flagg, another top 5 pick would be a reward for ownership and managerial incompetence

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                              @canefan said in NBA 25/26:

                              @gt12 said in NBA 25/26:

                              @mariner4life said in NBA 25/26:

                              he's right.

                              The season really starts this week after the fuck around of the All Star break.

                              I don't see the big deal, the only way for teams to make transformational change is to draft generational players (and do a good job with them). The data on championship teams not having a player who is (or has been) an MVP shows that you must have one of the best players in the league to be the best. Add in small market teams with no other revenue streams (compare the TV money of the Lakers and Memphis, as Windy is always going on about) and it's not like there are many things to do as a small market team in a shit location.

                              Personally, I want the Mavs to tank fucking hard and don't give a fuck about this season's results.

                              Sorry mate but Dallas have only got themselves to blame for the shit they find themselves in. The already got Flagg, another top 5 pick would be a reward for ownership and managerial incompetence

                              Oh fuck off, they are just trying to do what the Spurs just did, and dig themselves out the mess that the last incompetent fucker put us in.

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                                @canefan said in NBA 25/26:

                                @gt12 said in NBA 25/26:

                                @mariner4life said in NBA 25/26:

                                he's right.

                                The season really starts this week after the fuck around of the All Star break.

                                I don't see the big deal, the only way for teams to make transformational change is to draft generational players (and do a good job with them). The data on championship teams not having a player who is (or has been) an MVP shows that you must have one of the best players in the league to be the best. Add in small market teams with no other revenue streams (compare the TV money of the Lakers and Memphis, as Windy is always going on about) and it's not like there are many things to do as a small market team in a shit location.

                                Personally, I want the Mavs to tank fucking hard and don't give a fuck about this season's results.

                                Sorry mate but Dallas have only got themselves to blame for the shit they find themselves in. The already got Flagg, another top 5 pick would be a reward for ownership and managerial incompetence

                                Oh fuck off, they are just trying to do what the Spurs just did, and dig themselves out the mess that the last incompetent fucker put us in.

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                                @gt12

                                haha
                                I don't think so
                                the mavs actually already had quite a good team, AND BLEW IT UP
                                cuban says some dumb shit, but it is just words, he actually did quite a good job at the mavs when he was the one calling the shots
                                the new controllers seem to have made a bit of a mess

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                                  haha
                                  I don't think so
                                  the mavs actually already had quite a good team, AND BLEW IT UP
                                  cuban says some dumb shit, but it is just words, he actually did quite a good job at the mavs when he was the one calling the shots
                                  the new controllers seem to have made a bit of a mess

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                                  @mohikamo

                                  Thanks for bringing up the trauma again, you guys are real fluffybunnies for returning me to that fucking nightmare.

                                  The fact that it was the stupidest trade in NBA history, which fucked us up, is not my fault.

                                  The current management has now sold Davis at pennies on the dollar, which they had to do, because we now need to build around Flagg. We would be stupid to not try and maximise draft chances to get another excellent piece to be competitive again.

                                  I'm not interested in re-litigating the past - go back and read my posts - but as a pretty invested fan, I find it interesting that you think I should be punished for the bad choices the last regime made.

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                                  • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                                    he's right.

                                    The season really starts this week after the fuck around of the All Star break.

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                                    @mariner4life said in NBA 25/26:

                                    The season really starts this week after the fuck around of the All Star break.

                                    the season only starts with the play-offs for me
                                    and only then when a series goes live (after game 3 at least)
                                    that's when the players, really start playing

                                    regular season has too many games; the league knows it, the players know it; that's why you get the silly stuff

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                                    • gt12G gt12

                                      @canefan said in NBA 25/26:

                                      @gt12 said in NBA 25/26:

                                      @mariner4life said in NBA 25/26:

                                      he's right.

                                      The season really starts this week after the fuck around of the All Star break.

                                      I don't see the big deal, the only way for teams to make transformational change is to draft generational players (and do a good job with them). The data on championship teams not having a player who is (or has been) an MVP shows that you must have one of the best players in the league to be the best. Add in small market teams with no other revenue streams (compare the TV money of the Lakers and Memphis, as Windy is always going on about) and it's not like there are many things to do as a small market team in a shit location.

                                      Personally, I want the Mavs to tank fucking hard and don't give a fuck about this season's results.

                                      Sorry mate but Dallas have only got themselves to blame for the shit they find themselves in. The already got Flagg, another top 5 pick would be a reward for ownership and managerial incompetence

                                      Oh fuck off, they are just trying to do what the Spurs just did, and dig themselves out the mess that the last incompetent fucker put us in.

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                                      @gt12 said in NBA 25/26:

                                      @canefan said in NBA 25/26:

                                      @gt12 said in NBA 25/26:

                                      @mariner4life said in NBA 25/26:

                                      he's right.

                                      The season really starts this week after the fuck around of the All Star break.

                                      I don't see the big deal, the only way for teams to make transformational change is to draft generational players (and do a good job with them). The data on championship teams not having a player who is (or has been) an MVP shows that you must have one of the best players in the league to be the best. Add in small market teams with no other revenue streams (compare the TV money of the Lakers and Memphis, as Windy is always going on about) and it's not like there are many things to do as a small market team in a shit location.

                                      Personally, I want the Mavs to tank fucking hard and don't give a fuck about this season's results.

                                      Sorry mate but Dallas have only got themselves to blame for the shit they find themselves in. The already got Flagg, another top 5 pick would be a reward for ownership and managerial incompetence

                                      Oh fuck off, they are just trying to do what the Spurs just did, and dig themselves out the mess that the last incompetent fucker put us in.

                                      I do feel very sorry for the fans. And if the owner had taken the time to call Mark Cuban instead of thinking for himself they would never have gotten themselves into this situation. As for Harrison, he shouldn't even be able to get a job in an NBA arena concession stand from now on.

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                                        Returning to the conversation, seriously, why wouldn't teams want to tank?

                                        I return to the Spurs, which are one of the best run teams in the league, and they are the new hot team which is on a championship timeline. They haven't done it like Oklahoma in terms of really taking advantage of trades, rather look at their last three years in the Draft: (1) Wemby at pick 1 in 2023 who is so good that generational doesn't even do him justice; (2) Castle in 2024 at pick 4, who won Rookie of the year; and (3) Harper at pick 2 in 2025, who looks awesome too.

                                        It's pretty well accepted that they tanked to get Wemby , and they didn't exactly try to win for the last two years. It has turned out very very well for them and I doubt their fans gave a fuck either during that time. Which is all neat if you are a Spurs fan, and they are now have a nice long Championship timeline.

                                        I don't see why other teams can't try to replicate that, especially if they are from smaller markets.

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                                          Returning to the conversation, seriously, why wouldn't teams want to tank?

                                          I return to the Spurs, which are one of the best run teams in the league, and they are the new hot team which is on a championship timeline. They haven't done it like Oklahoma in terms of really taking advantage of trades, rather look at their last three years in the Draft: (1) Wemby at pick 1 in 2023 who is so good that generational doesn't even do him justice; (2) Castle in 2024 at pick 4, who won Rookie of the year; and (3) Harper at pick 2 in 2025, who looks awesome too.

                                          It's pretty well accepted that they tanked to get Wemby , and they didn't exactly try to win for the last two years. It has turned out very very well for them and I doubt their fans gave a fuck either during that time. Which is all neat if you are a Spurs fan, and they are now have a nice long Championship timeline.

                                          I don't see why other teams can't try to replicate that, especially if they are from smaller markets.

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                                          @gt12 said in NBA 25/26:

                                          Returning to the conversation, seriously, why wouldn't teams want to tank?

                                          I return to the Spurs, which are one of the best run teams in the league, and they are the new hot team which is on a championship timeline. They haven't done it like Oklahoma in terms of really taking advantage of trades, rather look at their last three years in the Draft: (1) Wemby at pick 1 in 2023 who is so good that generational doesn't even do him justice; (2) Castle in 2024 at pick 4, who won Rookie of the year; and (3) Harper at pick 2 in 2025, who looks awesome too.

                                          It's pretty well accepted that they tanked to get Wemby , and they didn't exactly try to win for the last two years. It has turned out very very well for them and I doubt their fans gave a fuck either during that time. Which is all neat if you are a Spurs fan, and they are now have a nice long Championship timeline.

                                          I don't see why other teams can't try to replicate that, especially if they are from smaller markets.

                                          I agree, there is no downside to tanking, it is just a matter of timing a good year and making good picks. Some teams just can't get it right, look at Philly's process and the dumpster fire that is the Wizards. Widening the lottery was meant to lessen tanking, but that hasn't happened

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