NBA 25/26
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@mariner4life said in NBA 25/26:
he's right.
The season really starts this week after the fuck around of the All Star break.
I don't see the big deal, the only way for teams to make transformational change is to draft generational players (and do a good job with them). The data on championship teams not having a player who is (or has been) an MVP shows that you must have one of the best players in the league to be the best. Add in small market teams with no other revenue streams (compare the TV money of the Lakers and Memphis, as Windy is always going on about) and it's not like there are many things to do as a small market team in a shit location.
Personally, I want the Mavs to tank fucking hard and don't give a fuck about this season's results.
Sorry mate but Dallas have only got themselves to blame for the shit they find themselves in. The already got Flagg, another top 5 pick would be a reward for ownership and managerial incompetence
Oh fuck off, they are just trying to do what the Spurs just did, and dig themselves out the mess that the last incompetent fucker put us in.
@mariner4life said in NBA 25/26:
he's right.
The season really starts this week after the fuck around of the All Star break.
I don't see the big deal, the only way for teams to make transformational change is to draft generational players (and do a good job with them). The data on championship teams not having a player who is (or has been) an MVP shows that you must have one of the best players in the league to be the best. Add in small market teams with no other revenue streams (compare the TV money of the Lakers and Memphis, as Windy is always going on about) and it's not like there are many things to do as a small market team in a shit location.
Personally, I want the Mavs to tank fucking hard and don't give a fuck about this season's results.
Sorry mate but Dallas have only got themselves to blame for the shit they find themselves in. The already got Flagg, another top 5 pick would be a reward for ownership and managerial incompetence
Oh fuck off, they are just trying to do what the Spurs just did, and dig themselves out the mess that the last incompetent fucker put us in.
I do feel very sorry for the fans. And if the owner had taken the time to call Mark Cuban instead of thinking for himself they would never have gotten themselves into this situation. As for Harrison, he shouldn't even be able to get a job in an NBA arena concession stand from now on.
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Returning to the conversation, seriously, why wouldn't teams want to tank?
I return to the Spurs, which are one of the best run teams in the league, and they are the new hot team which is on a championship timeline. They haven't done it like Oklahoma in terms of really taking advantage of trades, rather look at their last three years in the Draft: (1) Wemby at pick 1 in 2023 who is so good that generational doesn't even do him justice; (2) Castle in 2024 at pick 4, who won Rookie of the year; and (3) Harper at pick 2 in 2025, who looks awesome too.
It's pretty well accepted that they tanked to get Wemby , and they didn't exactly try to win for the last two years. It has turned out very very well for them and I doubt their fans gave a fuck either during that time. Which is all neat if you are a Spurs fan, and they are now have a nice long Championship timeline.
I don't see why other teams can't try to replicate that, especially if they are from smaller markets.
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Returning to the conversation, seriously, why wouldn't teams want to tank?
I return to the Spurs, which are one of the best run teams in the league, and they are the new hot team which is on a championship timeline. They haven't done it like Oklahoma in terms of really taking advantage of trades, rather look at their last three years in the Draft: (1) Wemby at pick 1 in 2023 who is so good that generational doesn't even do him justice; (2) Castle in 2024 at pick 4, who won Rookie of the year; and (3) Harper at pick 2 in 2025, who looks awesome too.
It's pretty well accepted that they tanked to get Wemby , and they didn't exactly try to win for the last two years. It has turned out very very well for them and I doubt their fans gave a fuck either during that time. Which is all neat if you are a Spurs fan, and they are now have a nice long Championship timeline.
I don't see why other teams can't try to replicate that, especially if they are from smaller markets.
Returning to the conversation, seriously, why wouldn't teams want to tank?
I return to the Spurs, which are one of the best run teams in the league, and they are the new hot team which is on a championship timeline. They haven't done it like Oklahoma in terms of really taking advantage of trades, rather look at their last three years in the Draft: (1) Wemby at pick 1 in 2023 who is so good that generational doesn't even do him justice; (2) Castle in 2024 at pick 4, who won Rookie of the year; and (3) Harper at pick 2 in 2025, who looks awesome too.
It's pretty well accepted that they tanked to get Wemby , and they didn't exactly try to win for the last two years. It has turned out very very well for them and I doubt their fans gave a fuck either during that time. Which is all neat if you are a Spurs fan, and they are now have a nice long Championship timeline.
I don't see why other teams can't try to replicate that, especially if they are from smaller markets.
I agree, there is no downside to tanking, it is just a matter of timing a good year and making good picks. Some teams just can't get it right, look at Philly's process and the dumpster fire that is the Wizards. Widening the lottery was meant to lessen tanking, but that hasn't happened
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Well I for one, fucking hate tanking. It goes against everything I love about sport. It sucks for the players and the fans, just a total blight on the game. I also hate load management FWIW.
I'd like to see a more even spread of odds of getting #1. Make the bottom 8 teams all equal chance or something.
I heard someone suggest that if you get the #1 pick one year, you're inelgible for any of the top [4-6] the year after - that makes sense to me too.Can't see load management going away any time soon because the players don't give a shit about playoff seedings anymore. It's all about getting to the playoffs healthy and rested. So another idea (aside from the obvious reduce the # of games to 70 or something) idea I liked was to allow each team to set the 3pt line wherever they want on their home court.
Make homecourt meaningful.
GSW, you don't care where you finish as long as you make the playoffs? Well, you better start, because when you play in OKC, there is no 3pt line. Or it's going to be 65 feet. One or the other.
That would be fun.
Finally, guarenteed contracts should fuck off. Watching Ben Simmons collect $75 billion dollars (I think that's right) for about 27 minutes of playing time is just insane. Do we really think that people won't want to be in the NBA if their contracts aren't guaranteed??? Come on. There should be a baseline % that you have guartanteed - like $2m p.a. or something. The rest is cream - or put another way, reward for actual service.
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Personally, I think the Bucks should tank like fuck. That’s their only chance of keeping the Freak.
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Well I for one, fucking hate tanking. It goes against everything I love about sport. It sucks for the players and the fans, just a total blight on the game. I also hate load management FWIW.
I'd like to see a more even spread of odds of getting #1. Make the bottom 8 teams all equal chance or something.
I heard someone suggest that if you get the #1 pick one year, you're inelgible for any of the top [4-6] the year after - that makes sense to me too.Can't see load management going away any time soon because the players don't give a shit about playoff seedings anymore. It's all about getting to the playoffs healthy and rested. So another idea (aside from the obvious reduce the # of games to 70 or something) idea I liked was to allow each team to set the 3pt line wherever they want on their home court.
Make homecourt meaningful.
GSW, you don't care where you finish as long as you make the playoffs? Well, you better start, because when you play in OKC, there is no 3pt line. Or it's going to be 65 feet. One or the other.
That would be fun.
Finally, guarenteed contracts should fuck off. Watching Ben Simmons collect $75 billion dollars (I think that's right) for about 27 minutes of playing time is just insane. Do we really think that people won't want to be in the NBA if their contracts aren't guaranteed??? Come on. There should be a baseline % that you have guartanteed - like $2m p.a. or something. The rest is cream - or put another way, reward for actual service.
Well I for one, fucking hate tanking. It goes against everything I love about sport. It sucks for the players and the fans, just a total blight on the game. I also hate load management FWIW.
I'd like to see a more even spread of odds of getting #1. Make the bottom 8 teams all equal chance or something.
I heard someone suggest that if you get the #1 pick one year, you're inelgible for any of the top [4-6] the year after - that makes sense to me too.Can't see load management going away any time soon because the players don't give a shit about playoff seedings anymore. It's all about getting to the playoffs healthy and rested. So another idea (aside from the obvious reduce the # of games to 70 or something) idea I liked was to allow each team to set the 3pt line wherever they want on their home court.
Make homecourt meaningful.
GSW, you don't care where you finish as long as you make the playoffs? Well, you better start, because when you play in OKC, there is no 3pt line. Or it's going to be 65 feet. One or the other.
That would be fun.
Finally, guarenteed contracts should fuck off. Watching Ben Simmons collect $75 billion dollars (I think that's right) for about 27 minutes of playing time is just insane. Do we really think that people won't want to be in the NBA if their contracts aren't guaranteed??? Come on. There should be a baseline % that you have guartanteed - like $2m p.a. or something. The rest is cream - or put another way, reward for actual service.
I don't actually like tanking either, but teams would be irrational not to do it.
Vince Goodwill on the Hoop Collective explained basically those ideas to mitigate tamping and help make the players get spread around, and I like them in principle.
However, I don't like the idea of having to start winning at some point, mainly because that will further penalize the actually shit teams. The draft and lottery are there because there is an issue with how talent gets distributed and there are already some teams which really fucking struggle to get, then keep, talent. Rachel Nchols goes on about this and she is right, the core issue that drives tanking is that teams who don't have talent need it, and the draft is the key way to get talent and be competitive affordably.
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Well I for one, fucking hate tanking. It goes against everything I love about sport. It sucks for the players and the fans, just a total blight on the game. I also hate load management FWIW.
I'd like to see a more even spread of odds of getting #1. Make the bottom 8 teams all equal chance or something.
I heard someone suggest that if you get the #1 pick one year, you're inelgible for any of the top [4-6] the year after - that makes sense to me too.Can't see load management going away any time soon because the players don't give a shit about playoff seedings anymore. It's all about getting to the playoffs healthy and rested. So another idea (aside from the obvious reduce the # of games to 70 or something) idea I liked was to allow each team to set the 3pt line wherever they want on their home court.
Make homecourt meaningful.
GSW, you don't care where you finish as long as you make the playoffs? Well, you better start, because when you play in OKC, there is no 3pt line. Or it's going to be 65 feet. One or the other.
That would be fun.
Finally, guarenteed contracts should fuck off. Watching Ben Simmons collect $75 billion dollars (I think that's right) for about 27 minutes of playing time is just insane. Do we really think that people won't want to be in the NBA if their contracts aren't guaranteed??? Come on. There should be a baseline % that you have guartanteed - like $2m p.a. or something. The rest is cream - or put another way, reward for actual service.
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Well I for one, fucking hate tanking. It goes against everything I love about sport. It sucks for the players and the fans, just a total blight on the game. I also hate load management FWIW.
I'd like to see a more even spread of odds of getting #1. Make the bottom 8 teams all equal chance or something.
I heard someone suggest that if you get the #1 pick one year, you're inelgible for any of the top [4-6] the year after - that makes sense to me too.Can't see load management going away any time soon because the players don't give a shit about playoff seedings anymore. It's all about getting to the playoffs healthy and rested. So another idea (aside from the obvious reduce the # of games to 70 or something) idea I liked was to allow each team to set the 3pt line wherever they want on their home court.
Make homecourt meaningful.
GSW, you don't care where you finish as long as you make the playoffs? Well, you better start, because when you play in OKC, there is no 3pt line. Or it's going to be 65 feet. One or the other.
That would be fun.
Finally, guarenteed contracts should fuck off. Watching Ben Simmons collect $75 billion dollars (I think that's right) for about 27 minutes of playing time is just insane. Do we really think that people won't want to be in the NBA if their contracts aren't guaranteed??? Come on. There should be a baseline % that you have guartanteed - like $2m p.a. or something. The rest is cream - or put another way, reward for actual service.
I don't actually like tanking either, but teams would be irrational not to do it.
Vince Goodwill on the Hoop Collective explained basically those ideas to mitigate tamping and help make the players get spread around, and I like them in principle.
However, I don't like the idea of having to start winning at some point, mainly because that will further penalize the actually shit teams. The draft and lottery are there because there is an issue with how talent gets distributed and there are already some teams which really fucking struggle to get, then keep, talent. Rachel Nchols goes on about this and she is right, the core issue that drives tanking is that teams who don't have talent need it, and the draft is the key way to get talent and be competitive affordably.
Well I for one, fucking hate tanking. It goes against everything I love about sport. It sucks for the players and the fans, just a total blight on the game. I also hate load management FWIW.
I'd like to see a more even spread of odds of getting #1. Make the bottom 8 teams all equal chance or something.
I heard someone suggest that if you get the #1 pick one year, you're inelgible for any of the top [4-6] the year after - that makes sense to me too.Can't see load management going away any time soon because the players don't give a shit about playoff seedings anymore. It's all about getting to the playoffs healthy and rested. So another idea (aside from the obvious reduce the # of games to 70 or something) idea I liked was to allow each team to set the 3pt line wherever they want on their home court.
Make homecourt meaningful.
GSW, you don't care where you finish as long as you make the playoffs? Well, you better start, because when you play in OKC, there is no 3pt line. Or it's going to be 65 feet. One or the other.
That would be fun.
Finally, guarenteed contracts should fuck off. Watching Ben Simmons collect $75 billion dollars (I think that's right) for about 27 minutes of playing time is just insane. Do we really think that people won't want to be in the NBA if their contracts aren't guaranteed??? Come on. There should be a baseline % that you have guartanteed - like $2m p.a. or something. The rest is cream - or put another way, reward for actual service.
I don't actually like tanking either, but teams would be irrational not to do it.
Vince Goodwill on the Hoop Collective explained basically those ideas to mitigate tamping and help make the players get spread around, and I like them in principle.
However, I don't like the idea of having to start winning at some point, mainly because that will further penalize the actually shit teams. The draft and lottery are there because there is an issue with how talent gets distributed and there are already some teams which really fucking struggle to get, then keep, talent. Rachel Nchols goes on about this and she is right, the core issue that drives tanking is that teams who don't have talent need it, and the draft is the key way to get talent and be competitive affordably.
Oh, don't get me wrong, I don't blame teams for doing what they can and must under the current rules - if tanking is an option, then by all means, go for it.
But I do take an issue with this "I don't like the idea of having to start winning at some point, mainly because that will further penalize the actually shit teams"
At the end of the day, the league only has a small responsibility to help you out - at some point you have to stand on your own feet. Imagine the Spurs got The Robinson then Timmy, but the owners didn't get Pop or the support staff. They instead got a bunch of average coaches to save money, allowed a toxic culture to persist, and wasted the talent they'd been given.
Should they be gifted a 3rd high draft pick??? Surely not.
The draft evens the playing field. It gives the bottom teams a leg up.
What they do with that leg up has to be up to them.
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Well I for one, fucking hate tanking. It goes against everything I love about sport. It sucks for the players and the fans, just a total blight on the game. I also hate load management FWIW.
I'd like to see a more even spread of odds of getting #1. Make the bottom 8 teams all equal chance or something.
I heard someone suggest that if you get the #1 pick one year, you're inelgible for any of the top [4-6] the year after - that makes sense to me too.Can't see load management going away any time soon because the players don't give a shit about playoff seedings anymore. It's all about getting to the playoffs healthy and rested. So another idea (aside from the obvious reduce the # of games to 70 or something) idea I liked was to allow each team to set the 3pt line wherever they want on their home court.
Make homecourt meaningful.
GSW, you don't care where you finish as long as you make the playoffs? Well, you better start, because when you play in OKC, there is no 3pt line. Or it's going to be 65 feet. One or the other.
That would be fun.
Finally, guarenteed contracts should fuck off. Watching Ben Simmons collect $75 billion dollars (I think that's right) for about 27 minutes of playing time is just insane. Do we really think that people won't want to be in the NBA if their contracts aren't guaranteed??? Come on. There should be a baseline % that you have guartanteed - like $2m p.a. or something. The rest is cream - or put another way, reward for actual service.
Well I for one, fucking hate tanking. It goes against everything I love about sport. It sucks for the players and the fans, just a total blight on the game. I also hate load management FWIW.
I'd like to see a more even spread of odds of getting #1. Make the bottom 8 teams all equal chance or something.
I heard someone suggest that if you get the #1 pick one year, you're inelgible for any of the top [4-6] the year after - that makes sense to me too.Can't see load management going away any time soon because the players don't give a shit about playoff seedings anymore. It's all about getting to the playoffs healthy and rested. So another idea (aside from the obvious reduce the # of games to 70 or something) idea I liked was to allow each team to set the 3pt line wherever they want on their home court.
Make homecourt meaningful.
GSW, you don't care where you finish as long as you make the playoffs? Well, you better start, because when you play in OKC, there is no 3pt line. Or it's going to be 65 feet. One or the other.
That would be fun.
Finally, guarenteed contracts should fuck off. Watching Ben Simmons collect $75 billion dollars (I think that's right) for about 27 minutes of playing time is just insane. Do we really think that people won't want to be in the NBA if their contracts aren't guaranteed??? Come on. There should be a baseline % that you have guartanteed - like $2m p.a. or something. The rest is cream - or put another way, reward for actual service.
I've gotta admit the idea of a variable three pt line at first seems wacky but.... It's no different to baseball parks that are hitter friendly or that favour lefties or whatever.. It's novel, adds a bit of variety, the idea is growing on me.
If you had a minimum and maximum and the only provision was that you could not vary it once the season started it could actually be fun.
I know we discussed this last year too and one suggestion I had was that 3s only count in the 4th. I'm not entirely sold on that suggestion tbh but in general I think there needs to be some tinkering around 3pt shooting so that it is more of a rarity. It's not that I don't appreciate the skill involved I just don't think it should be the go to, default way of scoring.
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Well I for one, fucking hate tanking. It goes against everything I love about sport. It sucks for the players and the fans, just a total blight on the game. I also hate load management FWIW.
I'd like to see a more even spread of odds of getting #1. Make the bottom 8 teams all equal chance or something.
I heard someone suggest that if you get the #1 pick one year, you're inelgible for any of the top [4-6] the year after - that makes sense to me too.Can't see load management going away any time soon because the players don't give a shit about playoff seedings anymore. It's all about getting to the playoffs healthy and rested. So another idea (aside from the obvious reduce the # of games to 70 or something) idea I liked was to allow each team to set the 3pt line wherever they want on their home court.
Make homecourt meaningful.
GSW, you don't care where you finish as long as you make the playoffs? Well, you better start, because when you play in OKC, there is no 3pt line. Or it's going to be 65 feet. One or the other.
That would be fun.
Finally, guarenteed contracts should fuck off. Watching Ben Simmons collect $75 billion dollars (I think that's right) for about 27 minutes of playing time is just insane. Do we really think that people won't want to be in the NBA if their contracts aren't guaranteed??? Come on. There should be a baseline % that you have guartanteed - like $2m p.a. or something. The rest is cream - or put another way, reward for actual service.
I don't actually like tanking either, but teams would be irrational not to do it.
Vince Goodwill on the Hoop Collective explained basically those ideas to mitigate tamping and help make the players get spread around, and I like them in principle.
However, I don't like the idea of having to start winning at some point, mainly because that will further penalize the actually shit teams. The draft and lottery are there because there is an issue with how talent gets distributed and there are already some teams which really fucking struggle to get, then keep, talent. Rachel Nchols goes on about this and she is right, the core issue that drives tanking is that teams who don't have talent need it, and the draft is the key way to get talent and be competitive affordably.
Oh, don't get me wrong, I don't blame teams for doing what they can and must under the current rules - if tanking is an option, then by all means, go for it.
But I do take an issue with this "I don't like the idea of having to start winning at some point, mainly because that will further penalize the actually shit teams"
At the end of the day, the league only has a small responsibility to help you out - at some point you have to stand on your own feet. Imagine the Spurs got The Robinson then Timmy, but the owners didn't get Pop or the support staff. They instead got a bunch of average coaches to save money, allowed a toxic culture to persist, and wasted the talent they'd been given.
Should they be gifted a 3rd high draft pick??? Surely not.
The draft evens the playing field. It gives the bottom teams a leg up.
What they do with that leg up has to be up to them.
Well I for one, fucking hate tanking. It goes against everything I love about sport. It sucks for the players and the fans, just a total blight on the game. I also hate load management FWIW.
I'd like to see a more even spread of odds of getting #1. Make the bottom 8 teams all equal chance or something.
I heard someone suggest that if you get the #1 pick one year, you're inelgible for any of the top [4-6] the year after - that makes sense to me too.Can't see load management going away any time soon because the players don't give a shit about playoff seedings anymore. It's all about getting to the playoffs healthy and rested. So another idea (aside from the obvious reduce the # of games to 70 or something) idea I liked was to allow each team to set the 3pt line wherever they want on their home court.
Make homecourt meaningful.
GSW, you don't care where you finish as long as you make the playoffs? Well, you better start, because when you play in OKC, there is no 3pt line. Or it's going to be 65 feet. One or the other.
That would be fun.
Finally, guarenteed contracts should fuck off. Watching Ben Simmons collect $75 billion dollars (I think that's right) for about 27 minutes of playing time is just insane. Do we really think that people won't want to be in the NBA if their contracts aren't guaranteed??? Come on. There should be a baseline % that you have guartanteed - like $2m p.a. or something. The rest is cream - or put another way, reward for actual service.
I don't actually like tanking either, but teams would be irrational not to do it.
Vince Goodwill on the Hoop Collective explained basically those ideas to mitigate tamping and help make the players get spread around, and I like them in principle.
However, I don't like the idea of having to start winning at some point, mainly because that will further penalize the actually shit teams. The draft and lottery are there because there is an issue with how talent gets distributed and there are already some teams which really fucking struggle to get, then keep, talent. Rachel Nchols goes on about this and she is right, the core issue that drives tanking is that teams who don't have talent need it, and the draft is the key way to get talent and be competitive affordably.
Oh, don't get me wrong, I don't blame teams for doing what they can and must under the current rules - if tanking is an option, then by all means, go for it.
But I do take an issue with this "I don't like the idea of having to start winning at some point, mainly because that will further penalize the actually shit teams"
At the end of the day, the league only has a small responsibility to help you out - at some point you have to stand on your own feet. Imagine the Spurs got The Robinson then Timmy, but the owners didn't get Pop or the support staff. They instead got a bunch of average coaches to save money, allowed a toxic culture to persist, and wasted the talent they'd been given.
Should they be gifted a 3rd high draft pick??? Surely not.
The draft evens the playing field. It gives the bottom teams a leg up.
What they do with that leg up has to be up to them.
Sorry, I'm talking about the idea that at some point in the season the draft rankings change from losing to winning. In other words, the teams that are tanking will get rewarded for winning from that point on (which they can do), while the teams which are actually shit will continue to lose, and will be penalized even more.
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tanking . . .
everyone is tanking and then the Mavs come along and get the No 1 with only one fucking ball in the barrell!
now that'd have to piss all the other tankers right off!
so f'n funnyas for the 4Q 3 pointers, I think netball does something similar with the 2 point shot, seems to work ok
