Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown & Dublin Duel
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@Rocky-Rockbottom said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:
The complete lack of incandescent rage here is UNACCEPTABLE. Since when were AB losses greeted with a “oh, great game guys, thanks so much for everything”? The first loss for many of these AB’s, if it’s met with a “well, at least you tried your best, it had to happen some day” then they’ll toodle off thinking oh well just another game of rugby, people back home ain’t so mad, I’ll have another go at it next week.
History shows All Blacks losses are to be met with VITRIOL, FURY, ANGER, CONFUSION, PLAYER DROPPINGS, ELEPHANT DROPPINGS, COACH DROPPINGS, COACH LYNCHINGS, & NATIONAL MOTHERFUCKING INQUISITIONS. Not this namby pamby “oh I hope everyone had a nice run around and got some circulation into the legs, good exercise and all that, at least I saw the Empire State Statue midweek.”
Most fans grew up around 2008 when Henry was not sacked in a typical knee jerk fashion, as you describe above.
The more grown up approach has given us two more World Cups, a world record run of victories, etc, etc
It's sport, of course you'll lose the odd game. We generally lose one game a year, this year it's this one.
No need for panic.
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@Rocky-Rockbottom said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:
The complete lack of incandescent rage here is UNACCEPTABLE. Since when were AB losses greeted with a “oh, great game guys, thanks so much for everything”? The first loss for many of these AB’s, if it’s met with a “well, at least you tried your best, it had to happen some day” then they’ll toodle off thinking oh well just another game of rugby, people back home ain’t so mad, I’ll have another go at it next week.
History shows All Blacks losses are to be met with VITRIOL, FURY, ANGER, CONFUSION, PLAYER DROPPINGS, ELEPHANT DROPPINGS, COACH DROPPINGS, COACH LYNCHINGS, & NATIONAL MOTHERFUCKING INQUISITIONS. Not this namby pamby “oh I hope everyone had a nice run around and got some circulation into the legs, good exercise and all that, at least I saw the Empire State Statue midweek.”
Most fans grew up around 2008 when Henry was not sacked in a typical knee jerk fashion, as you describe above.
The more grown up approach has given us two more World Cups, a world record run of victories, etc, etc
It's sport, of course you'll lose the odd game. We generally lose one game a year, this year it's this one.
No need for panic.
@Kirwan be interesting to see how they respond given we wont have Whitelock or BBBR (although concussion, he could be back?) back, assume Romano is back for next game?
Ireland in Dublin and the French where ever that is is gonna be tough, chance we could have our worst EOYT results in a very long time, largely down to the poor timing of the injuries to our 2nd row and our mid-field.
I'll back us to win the rest, but it wont surprise me to see us fall once, or twice more...
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I haven't even seen the game but as as I said to someone tonight about the result ' if someone else plays better then they deserve the win'.
From what I can tell Ireland outplayed us, simple as that. They deserve the win.I have been saying for a while now that if a team really on their game takes us on the margin will be closed enough that they can take one off us. Pressure on us that rests in scores will actually make things difficult as, I gather, happened today.
people have been getting carried away with talk of the gap being so big. The scores can get big, but the gap isn't as huge as some think.
If we are playing poorly and the opposition are playing well then that gap disappears.
Congrats to Ireland.
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@Rocky-Rockbottom said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:
The complete lack of incandescent rage here is UNACCEPTABLE. Since when were AB losses greeted with a “oh, great game guys, thanks so much for everything”? The first loss for many of these AB’s, if it’s met with a “well, at least you tried your best, it had to happen some day” then they’ll toodle off thinking oh well just another game of rugby, people back home ain’t so mad, I’ll have another go at it next week.
History shows All Blacks losses are to be met with VITRIOL, FURY, ANGER, CONFUSION, PLAYER DROPPINGS, ELEPHANT DROPPINGS, COACH DROPPINGS, COACH LYNCHINGS, & NATIONAL MOTHERFUCKING INQUISITIONS. Not this namby pamby “oh I hope everyone had a nice run around and got some circulation into the legs, good exercise and all that, at least I saw the Empire State Statue midweek.”
Next they'll be giving out awards for particpation!! Where's that number for Radio Sport!!!
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No one wants to lose obviously , but I can recall Henry talking about a loss and what it can do for the squad , brings everyone back to earth with a thud etc , and reignites some extra hunger if it was starting to plateau.
The interesting part now that it has happened , is how we respond .
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Yeah. Wonder if getting the 18-win record just allowed a wee bit of complacency to creep in. Leaving out Dagg and ALB entirely was a big call. Learning Barrett the S copes ok under pressure was a bonus, but it was more concerning the number of experienced AB's that went MIA. Hansen needs to cop some flak for selections, but a lot of players let themselves down.
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Yeah. Wonder if getting the 18-win record just allowed a wee bit of complacency to creep in. Leaving out Dagg and ALB entirely was a big call. Learning Barrett the S copes ok under pressure was a bonus, but it was more concerning the number of experienced AB's that went MIA. Hansen needs to cop some flak for selections, but a lot of players let themselves down.
@Mokey think that is the crux of it, a large number of them chose today as the day to have an off day with being able to catch and pass, tackle or pretty much any of the basics we usually do so well.
Sure the Irish put us under huge pressure, but we usually absorb this and are able to execute with accuracy while under pressure, which has been the hallmark of this team.
Like Hansen said, the best team won...time to move on, guess the Italians wont be thanking the Irish for anything though.
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Yeah. Wonder if getting the 18-win record just allowed a wee bit of complacency to creep in. Leaving out Dagg and ALB entirely was a big call. Learning Barrett the S copes ok under pressure was a bonus, but it was more concerning the number of experienced AB's that went MIA. Hansen needs to cop some flak for selections, but a lot of players let themselves down.
@Mokey said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:
Yeah. Wonder if getting the 18-win record just allowed a wee bit of complacency to creep in. Leaving out Dagg and ALB entirely was a big call. Learning Barrett the S copes ok under pressure was a bonus, but it was more concerning the number of experienced AB's that went MIA. Hansen needs to cop some flak for selections, but a lot of players let themselves down.
Our entire forward pack seemed to disappear.
This is a reason for us losing, NOT an excuse. I think there was a knock on effect - losing our top three locks meant our lineout fell apart, and our ability to attack with the scrum disappeared. Our tight work was poor too, not much pick and go, fewer people who just have a mindset to smash rucks all day. It all just started to go backwards from there, and then basic skills (catching and passing and taclking) all went as well.
We really missed BBBR's carry and distribution in the midfield. He is amazing in that space, a real machine.
Once again: well played and well coached Ireland.
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@Mokey think that is the crux of it, a large number of them chose today as the day to have an off day with being able to catch and pass, tackle or pretty much any of the basics we usually do so well.
Sure the Irish put us under huge pressure, but we usually absorb this and are able to execute with accuracy while under pressure, which has been the hallmark of this team.
Like Hansen said, the best team won...time to move on, guess the Italians wont be thanking the Irish for anything though.
@taniwharugby i think a big part of that has to go to the halves, and the leadership. The 9 and 10 starters were comprehensively outplayed - Beaudy looked so out of form it isnt even funny - coaches need to be given slack for selecting him after a poor performance at Eden Park.
The leaders didnt do a great job of standing up until it was already 30-8. They should have changed approach earlier.
he wasnt the only one but J Savea was seriously shit - his position needs to come under pressure.
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First time we have conceded more than 30 points since 2013 against Aus (although we did win that time)
6 times (inc today) since 2004 have we conceded more than 30 points, and only one other team managed to hit 40 points; SA won 40-26 in Jo'burg in 2004.
There's your plan Eddie, score 40, you win!
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Cheers to everyone on here for all the congrats and good wishes.
Yiz are a decent bunch after all.
Well for today anyway.
@Pot-Hale your spelling appears to show you are not well and truly hammered, are you really Irish
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@Pot-Hale your spelling appears to show you are not well and truly hammered, are you really Irish
@taniwharugby said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:
@Pot-Hale your spelling appears to show you are not hammered, are you really Irish
Completely Irish. I had my customary two pints and went home.
Then decided to check my betslip once more a minute ago.
I didn't put €25 on Ireland to win by 1-5 at 25/1.
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@taniwharugby said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:
@Pot-Hale your spelling appears to show you are not hammered, are you really Irish
Completely Irish. I had my customary two pints and went home.
Then decided to check my betslip once more a minute ago.
I didn't put €25 on Ireland to win by 1-5 at 25/1.
@Pot-Hale ha, I looked on the TAB earlier this morning and was paying about $11 I think it was, and I thought nah, surely there is a reason the odds are so long....oh well
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Congratulations to the Irish, they outplayed us and managed to last the full 80 despite our guys 2nd half resurgence. While I always want the AB's to win surely people didn't think they would remain unbeaten forever? Am also very happy it wasn't a loss to the Wallabies! I believe our guys including the coaches need to lose a few - except not to the Aussies - on their way to the next World Cup as we humanoids learn more from failure than we do from success.
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Instead I picked Ireland to win by more than 5 at 25/1.
€650!
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As good as 650 euros sounds, I bet making history feels better. Well done Ireland. Cool heads at the end after a massive first 50. Put the miracle in Dublin to bed. Coaching masterclass from Schmidt, and the players executed with skill and massive heart. Kudos to you and see you in a fortnight.
Watched the game, but with 5 young kids running around the place, so it was hard to remember much of the game. Only the hurt after 80 minutes.
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Definately puts a huge question over the best of all time claims. This seasons unit can very easily be debated against many sides from the past 13 years including 2003.
