Exodus
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@Fredsaua12 Is James Cameron still signed with Canterbury? If not, two Westlake boys who went down to Chch at the same time would no longer be there.
@Bovidae Yes he is with Canterbury for 2026 but expect him to head to North Harbour eventually.
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New Zealand Origin Players Contracted Overseas in 2025.
The second column is of the number of players in the first column, who are no longer eligible for New Zealand.
The average Ferner would recognise the names of virtually all 500 players.
New Zealand Origin Players Contracted Overseas in 2025.
The second column is of the number of players in the first column, who are no longer eligible for New Zealand.
The average Ferner would recognise the names of virtually all 500 players.
How are the second column players no longer eligible? Because they've played for a new national side?
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New Zealand Origin Players Contracted Overseas in 2025.
The second column is of the number of players in the first column, who are no longer eligible for New Zealand.
The average Ferner would recognise the names of virtually all 500 players.
How are the second column players no longer eligible? Because they've played for a new national side?
New Zealand Origin Players Contracted Overseas in 2025.
The second column is of the number of players in the first column, who are no longer eligible for New Zealand.
The average Ferner would recognise the names of virtually all 500 players.
How are the second column players no longer eligible? Because they've played for a new national side?
Assume a lot of NZ born players representing Samoa or Tonga?
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New Zealand Origin Players Contracted Overseas in 2025.
The second column is of the number of players in the first column, who are no longer eligible for New Zealand.
The average Ferner would recognise the names of virtually all 500 players.
New Zealand Origin Players Contracted Overseas in 2025.
The second column is of the number of players in the first column, who are no longer eligible for New Zealand.
The average Ferner would recognise the names of virtually all 500 players.
I don't think that is true at all - there's been players this year who have left who I didn't know anything about.
Also, the raw numbers don't really tell us that much other than what we already know, that there's a limited amount of contracts available in NZ so players go overseas for pro contracts.
For some examples:
The MLR players are often playing NPC and then travelling over for MLR, but they're not strictly lost to NZ.France and Eng have a lot of non eligible NZ players, but are they playing for PIs or for France/Eng?
How many of the 20 NZ eligible Oz players are genuine left NZ as pro rugby players as opposed to born in NZ and moved over young?
Japan seems to be where we lose most of genuine players. Maybe working on aligning our seasons with theirs would be a realistic goal?
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New Zealand Origin Players Contracted Overseas in 2025.
The second column is of the number of players in the first column, who are no longer eligible for New Zealand.
The average Ferner would recognise the names of virtually all 500 players.
How are the second column players no longer eligible? Because they've played for a new national side?
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New Zealand Origin Players Contracted Overseas in 2025.
The second column is of the number of players in the first column, who are no longer eligible for New Zealand.
The average Ferner would recognise the names of virtually all 500 players.
I don't think that is true at all - there's been players this year who have left who I didn't know anything about.
Also, the raw numbers don't really tell us that much other than what we already know, that there's a limited amount of contracts available in NZ so players go overseas for pro contracts.
For some examples:
The MLR players are often playing NPC and then travelling over for MLR, but they're not strictly lost to NZ.France and Eng have a lot of non eligible NZ players, but are they playing for PIs or for France/Eng?
How many of the 20 NZ eligible Oz players are genuine left NZ as pro rugby players as opposed to born in NZ and moved over young?
Japan seems to be where we lose most of genuine players. Maybe working on aligning our seasons with theirs would be a realistic goal?
I don't think that is true at all - there's been players this year who have left who I didn't know anything about.
I was surprised when I went thru the list that I recognised just about all the names.
Only a few that I didn't know.
I think you would recognise most of them.I just put exact numbers on something every ferner already knows/suspected.
And any ferner who didn't know, knows now.There is two different facets to the columns.
The first one is merely players who have originated from NZ.
The second is the number of those players who are not eligible (183) for NZ anymore.
When/if the others (311) come back to NZ, they'll be eligible for NZ again.Although the 183 are not all necessarily out of the picture.
Rassie selected Jean Kleyn in the winning 2023 RWC team, after he had played for Ireland in the 2019 RWC.Most of the players in Aus who are not NZ eligible anymore, came up thru the Aus system.
Quite a few of the others are just NZ ring-ins, to fill a gap.Japan and France is clearly where the money is.
You'd have admit NZR is doing an excellent job of preparing players for a career as a professional rugby player.
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Ok
here is the list of who the 182 are aligned to now (2026).
The list includes the likes of Joey Carbery (Ireland), born in Dargaville.
There are also some ex ABs on the list.It should be remembered that this not the total number of NZ origin players who are not eligible for NZ anymore.
Only those playing in the OS leagues noted.
Some playing in NZ are not eligible for NZ either.
The same for those NZ players in lower leagues OS. -
New Zealand Origin Players Contracted Overseas in 2025.
The second column is of the number of players in the first column, who are no longer eligible for New Zealand.
The average Ferner would recognise the names of virtually all 500 players.
I don't think that is true at all - there's been players this year who have left who I didn't know anything about.
Also, the raw numbers don't really tell us that much other than what we already know, that there's a limited amount of contracts available in NZ so players go overseas for pro contracts.
For some examples:
The MLR players are often playing NPC and then travelling over for MLR, but they're not strictly lost to NZ.France and Eng have a lot of non eligible NZ players, but are they playing for PIs or for France/Eng?
How many of the 20 NZ eligible Oz players are genuine left NZ as pro rugby players as opposed to born in NZ and moved over young?
Japan seems to be where we lose most of genuine players. Maybe working on aligning our seasons with theirs would be a realistic goal?
New Zealand Origin Players Contracted Overseas in 2025.
The second column is of the number of players in the first column, who are no longer eligible for New Zealand.
The average Ferner would recognise the names of virtually all 500 players.
I don't think that is true at all - there's been players this year who have left who I didn't know anything about.
ooof, below average bro, that's tough.
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Isaac Murray mcgregor close to joining scarlets in wales .
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An article on Stuff says that Flanders did speak to the AB coaches about where he stood before signing for a Japanese club.
An article on Stuff says that Flanders did speak to the AB coaches about where he stood before signing for a Japanese club.
Correct. If you remember I posted into the canes thread that was all it was coming down to - where he stood within the ABs set up. It’s quite surprising in my opinion and a real shame.
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An article on Stuff says that Flanders did speak to the AB coaches about where he stood before signing for a Japanese club.
Correct. If you remember I posted into the canes thread that was all it was coming down to - where he stood within the ABs set up. It’s quite surprising in my opinion and a real shame.
@Landers92 said in Exodus:
An article on Stuff says that Flanders did speak to the AB coaches about where he stood before signing for a Japanese club.
Correct. If you remember I posted into the canes thread that was all it was coming down to - where he stood within the ABs set up. It’s quite surprising in my opinion and a real shame.
So obviously they didn’t see him as a contender despite him being a very solid 6/8 option. What’s wrong with these AB coaches.
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An article on Stuff says that Flanders did speak to the AB coaches about where he stood before signing for a Japanese club.
Correct. If you remember I posted into the canes thread that was all it was coming down to - where he stood within the ABs set up. It’s quite surprising in my opinion and a real shame.
@Landers92 cos you'd think hed be in the squad for SA at the least...makes you wonder what they said or what his expectations were.
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I think this is being misinterpreted. He was probably told something along the lines of, “You’re in the mix to be in the squad.” - in simple terms.
The ABs coaches can’t exactly blow smoke up his ass and tell him he is guaranteed to start at blindside when he is an unknown quantity at test level.
So Flanders has decided to take the security of the money offshore - this is more about the issue of the pay gap between the top All Blacks and NZ XV level players
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@Landers92 said in Exodus:
An article on Stuff says that Flanders did speak to the AB coaches about where he stood before signing for a Japanese club.
Correct. If you remember I posted into the canes thread that was all it was coming down to - where he stood within the ABs set up. It’s quite surprising in my opinion and a real shame.
So obviously they didn’t see him as a contender despite him being a very solid 6/8 option. What’s wrong with these AB coaches.
@Canes4life said in Exodus:
@Landers92 said in Exodus:
An article on Stuff says that Flanders did speak to the AB coaches about where he stood before signing for a Japanese club.
Correct. If you remember I posted into the canes thread that was all it was coming down to - where he stood within the ABs set up. It’s quite surprising in my opinion and a real shame.
So obviously they didn’t see him as a contender despite him being a very solid 6/8 option. What’s wrong with these AB coaches.
Ryan is still the forwards coach isn't he?
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I think this is being misinterpreted. He was probably told something along the lines of, “You’re in the mix to be in the squad.” - in simple terms.
The ABs coaches can’t exactly blow smoke up his ass and tell him he is guaranteed to start at blindside when he is an unknown quantity at test level.
So Flanders has decided to take the security of the money offshore - this is more about the issue of the pay gap between the top All Blacks and NZ XV level players
I think this is being misinterpreted. He was probably told something along the lines of, “You’re in the mix to be in the squad.” - in simple terms.
The ABs coaches can’t exactly blow smoke up his ass and tell him he is guaranteed to start at blindside when he is an unknown quantity at test level.
So Flanders has decided to take the security of the money offshore - this is more about the issue of the pay gap between the top All Blacks and NZ XV level players
Based on history I think that is optimistic appraisal of Ryan's man management
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I thought Barnes was the Forwards coach?
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Unsure where to post this so throwing it in here.
Jermaine Ainsley had signed with Saracens for next season after his contract is up with Lyon but that is now not going ahead and Ainsley will return to NZ for personal reasons.
A few NZ sides will be in the market for him I’m sure. Here’s hoping the landers and Otago can lure him back south.
I’ve been told he’s been dealing with a back injury so hopefully it’s nothing serious and he can be picked up for the NPC.
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@taniwharugby said in Exodus:
I thought Barnes was the Forwards coach?
Yeah he is
Barnes title senior assistant coach. Ryan is still the forwards coach
