All Blacks v Ireland II
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Dare I ask what we do if we lose....
Would need a big rethink of selection and tactics IMO.
I think we'll win - for starters we are not going to gift (I hope) Ireland territory and possession again by having no functioning lineout and charity levels of indiscipline. If Ireland have to work for their points rather than being handed them on a platter, it should be much more interesting. At the end of the day, we played like rubbish and still got 29 points, and I don't see Ireland putting 40 points past us again (and if they do, then we have big problems).
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I should add that the chances of Ireland getting away with only four penalties against them in a game are extremely slim!
@pakman said in Ireland II:
I should add that the chances of Ireland getting away with only four penalties against them in a game are extremely slim!
Yeah, I don't know how 'clean' Ireland really were against us but the ref was a green one and we have the far more 'confident' Peyper this time. I don't think Peyper has ever been one to swallow the whistle.
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The areas I think we need to sharpen are aerial defense. Bringing Dagg back will help in this. A bit of steel in the rucks, improved midfield defense, and a bit of street smarts. Getting choke tackled is just lazy get your body position right and that should never happen. Not like its a new tactic for the Irish we just were lazy and played into it.
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Dare I ask what we do if we lose....
Would need a big rethink of selection and tactics IMO.
I think we'll win - for starters we are not going to gift (I hope) Ireland territory and possession again by having no functioning lineout and charity levels of indiscipline. If Ireland have to work for their points rather than being handed them on a platter, it should be much more interesting. At the end of the day, we played like rubbish and still got 29 points, and I don't see Ireland putting 40 points past us again (and if they do, then we have big problems).
@Billy-Tell said in Ireland II:
Dare I ask what we do if we lose....
Would need a big rethink of selection and tactics IMO.
I think we'll win - for starters we are not going to gift (I hope) Ireland territory and possession again by having no functioning lineout and charity levels of indiscipline. If Ireland have to work for their points rather than being handed them on a platter, it should be much more interesting. At the end of the day, we played like rubbish and still got 29 points, and I don't see Ireland putting 40 points past us again (and if they do, then we have big problems).
I think that is the thing , to beat this current Allblacks team you are going to have to score a shit load of points . Because we usually score plenty . The days of Nh teams thinking they can take us through slotting penalties and defending are over and I think they all know it now. They put 40 on us last time ,
Have they got that in them again ? -
Looking more likely Whitelock is ok for this week, or Romano too I guess, as Fifita has been sent back to NZ (apologies if already mentioned)
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In a surprise move, Schmidt may start a good few of Match Squad 2 (for Canada game) for the test against New Zealand to widen the test experience of the entire series squad. Match Squad 1 will then play against Australia who are banking on facing a NZ-battered Ireland team to continue their hopes of achieving a clean sweep in their November tour.
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In a surprise move, Schmidt may start a good few of Match Squad 2 (for Canada game) for the test against New Zealand to widen the test experience of the entire series squad. Match Squad 1 will then play against Australia who are banking on facing a NZ-battered Ireland team to continue their hopes of achieving a clean sweep in their November tour.
@Pot-Hale said in Ireland II:
In a surprise move, Schmidt may start a good few of Match Squad 2 (for Canada game) for the test against New Zealand to widen the test experience of the entire series squad. Match Squad 1 will then play against Australia who are banking on facing a NZ-battered Ireland team to continue their hopes of achieving a clean sweep in their November tour.
I'd be surprised. Doubt the Irish fans would be too happy about a less than full strength side being sent out to face NZ. From the Canada game you can make starting arguments for bealham, Healy, dillane, obrien, omahony. None of the backs strike me as first XV material with the possible exception of Earls.
I think Australia will rotate against France anyway.
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Ireland are a very good side,
But if they win or push us to the limit in this one , they are even better than I thought ,
Not intended as arrogance but no one has pushed us for a while once we are in that backs to the wall situation ,
Cant wait
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I swear, if the AB's are paying anything over $1:50 head to head, I will smack it. I just can't see us losing this at all
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@Hooroo said in Ireland II:
I swear, if the AB's are paying anything over $1:50 head to head, I will smack it. I just can't see us losing this at all
that will never happen, without checking TAB i reckon we wont be any more than $1.20
@SammyC said in Ireland II:
@Hooroo said in Ireland II:
I swear, if the AB's are paying anything over $1:50 head to head, I will smack it. I just can't see us losing this at all
that will never happen, without checking TAB i reckon we wont be any more than $1.20
Pussies!
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@SammyC said in Ireland II:
@Hooroo said in Ireland II:
I swear, if the AB's are paying anything over $1:50 head to head, I will smack it. I just can't see us losing this at all
that will never happen, without checking TAB i reckon we wont be any more than $1.20
Pussies!
@Hooroo said in Ireland II:
@SammyC said in Ireland II:
@Hooroo said in Ireland II:
I swear, if the AB's are paying anything over $1:50 head to head, I will smack it. I just can't see us losing this at all
that will never happen, without checking TAB i reckon we wont be any more than $1.20
Pussies!
Agreed!
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Dare I ask what we do if we lose....
Would need a big rethink of selection and tactics IMO.
I think we'll win - for starters we are not going to gift (I hope) Ireland territory and possession again by having no functioning lineout and charity levels of indiscipline. If Ireland have to work for their points rather than being handed them on a platter, it should be much more interesting. At the end of the day, we played like rubbish and still got 29 points, and I don't see Ireland putting 40 points past us again (and if they do, then we have big problems).
@Billy-Tell said in Ireland II:
Dare I ask what we do if we lose....
Not enough Hurricanes would be one view. Extra emphasis on the one....
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@Hooroo said in Ireland II:
@SammyC said in Ireland II:
@Hooroo said in Ireland II:
I swear, if the AB's are paying anything over $1:50 head to head, I will smack it. I just can't see us losing this at all
that will never happen, without checking TAB i reckon we wont be any more than $1.20
Pussies!
Agreed!
@SammyC said in Ireland II:
@Hooroo said in Ireland II:
@SammyC said in Ireland II:
@Hooroo said in Ireland II:
I swear, if the AB's are paying anything over $1:50 head to head, I will smack it. I just can't see us losing this at all
that will never happen, without checking TAB i reckon we wont be any more than $1.20
Pussies!
Agreed!
$1:16!! Far out! I forget we can get odds earluy in the week. Used to horses.
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Having a full width field will alter the dynamics of the game.
Still gotta give Ireland a starters chance though with the monkey off their back.
(AB's by >30
)@dogmeat said in Ireland II:
Having a full width field will alter the dynamics of the game.
Still gotta give Ireland a starters chance though with the monkey off their back.
(AB's by >30
)Soldier Field - 95m x 66m
Lansdowne - 100m x 68m -
@dogmeat said in Ireland II:
Having a full width field will alter the dynamics of the game.
Still gotta give Ireland a starters chance though with the monkey off their back.
(AB's by >30
)Soldier Field - 95m x 66m
Lansdowne - 100m x 68m@Pot-Hale said in Ireland II:
@dogmeat said in Ireland II:
Having a full width field will alter the dynamics of the game.
Still gotta give Ireland a starters chance though with the monkey off their back.
(AB's by >30
)Soldier Field - 95m x 66m
Lansdowne - 100m x 68mIs land at a premium? World Rugby states that top international games should be played on a field as close to maximum dimension as possible yet Ireland's premier venue is at the minimum.
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(Credit to @RoninWC as I have used his post for a cut and paste
My team selection
W. Crockett
D. Coles
O. Franks
B. Retallick
S. Whitelock
J. Kaino
S. Cane
K Read
A. Smith
A. Cruden
J. Savea
A. Lienart-Brown
M. Fekitoa
I. Dagg
B. Smith
ReservesC. Taylor
J. Moody
C. Faumuina
L. Squire
A. Savea
T. Perenara
B. BarrettNot entirely sure on Squire or a specialist lock reserve
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@Pot-Hale said in Ireland II:
@dogmeat said in Ireland II:
Having a full width field will alter the dynamics of the game.
Still gotta give Ireland a starters chance though with the monkey off their back.
(AB's by >30
)Soldier Field - 95m x 66m
Lansdowne - 100m x 68mIs land at a premium? World Rugby states that top international games should be played on a field as close to maximum dimension as possible yet Ireland's premier venue is at the minimum.
@Crucial said in Ireland II:
@Pot-Hale said in Ireland II:
@dogmeat said in Ireland II:
Having a full width field will alter the dynamics of the game.
Still gotta give Ireland a starters chance though with the monkey off their back.
(AB's by >30
)Soldier Field - 95m x 66m
Lansdowne - 100m x 68mIs land at a premium? World Rugby states that top international games should be played on a field as close to maximum dimension as possible yet Ireland's premier venue is at the minimum.
Regulations stipulate a maximum size apparently - no more than 100m x 70m. Lansdowne is a restricted urban site but the playing field - excl in goal areas is stated as 105m oddly. So is Twickenham I think but it is 70m wide. There is no minimum stated apparently.
