All Blacks v Ireland II
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(Credit to @RoninWC as I have used his post for a cut and paste
My team selection
W. Crockett
D. Coles
O. Franks
B. Retallick
S. Whitelock
J. Kaino
S. Cane
K Read
A. Smith
A. Cruden
J. Savea
A. Lienart-Brown
M. Fekitoa
I. Dagg
B. Smith
ReservesC. Taylor
J. Moody
C. Faumuina
L. Squire
A. Savea
T. Perenara
B. BarrettNot entirely sure on Squire or a specialist lock reserve
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@Pot-Hale said in Ireland II:
@dogmeat said in Ireland II:
Having a full width field will alter the dynamics of the game.
Still gotta give Ireland a starters chance though with the monkey off their back.
(AB's by >30
)Soldier Field - 95m x 66m
Lansdowne - 100m x 68mIs land at a premium? World Rugby states that top international games should be played on a field as close to maximum dimension as possible yet Ireland's premier venue is at the minimum.
@Crucial said in Ireland II:
@Pot-Hale said in Ireland II:
@dogmeat said in Ireland II:
Having a full width field will alter the dynamics of the game.
Still gotta give Ireland a starters chance though with the monkey off their back.
(AB's by >30
)Soldier Field - 95m x 66m
Lansdowne - 100m x 68mIs land at a premium? World Rugby states that top international games should be played on a field as close to maximum dimension as possible yet Ireland's premier venue is at the minimum.
Regulations stipulate a maximum size apparently - no more than 100m x 70m. Lansdowne is a restricted urban site but the playing field - excl in goal areas is stated as 105m oddly. So is Twickenham I think but it is 70m wide. There is no minimum stated apparently.
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From the Laws of Rugby
1.2 Required dimensions for the playing enclosure
(a) Dimensions. The field of play does not exceed 100 metres in length. Each in-goal does not exceed 22 metres in length. The playing area does not exceed 70 metres in width.
(b)
The length and breadth of the playing area are to be as near as possible to the dimensions indicated. All the areas are rectangular.
(c)
The distance from the goal line to the dead ball line will preferably be not less than 10 metres.
(d)
In respect of:
(i) Matches between the senior national representative team or the next senior national representative team of a Union against the senior or next senior national representative team of another Union; and
(ii) International seven-a-side matches;
the dimensions should be as close to the maximum sizes as possible, and not less than 94 metres in length for the field of play, 68 metres in width, and with a minimum in-goal length of 6 metres. Unions wishing to vary minimum or maximum dimensions should apply for dispensation to World Rugby. -
From the Laws of Rugby
1.2 Required dimensions for the playing enclosure
(a) Dimensions. The field of play does not exceed 100 metres in length. Each in-goal does not exceed 22 metres in length. The playing area does not exceed 70 metres in width.
(b)
The length and breadth of the playing area are to be as near as possible to the dimensions indicated. All the areas are rectangular.
(c)
The distance from the goal line to the dead ball line will preferably be not less than 10 metres.
(d)
In respect of:
(i) Matches between the senior national representative team or the next senior national representative team of a Union against the senior or next senior national representative team of another Union; and
(ii) International seven-a-side matches;
the dimensions should be as close to the maximum sizes as possible, and not less than 94 metres in length for the field of play, 68 metres in width, and with a minimum in-goal length of 6 metres. Unions wishing to vary minimum or maximum dimensions should apply for dispensation to World Rugby.@Crucial said in Ireland II:
@Pot-Hale said in Ireland II:
@dogmeat said in Ireland II:
Having a full width field will alter the dynamics of the game.
Still gotta give Ireland a starters chance though with the monkey off their back.
(AB's by >30
)Soldier Field - 95m x 66m
Lansdowne - 100m x 68mIs land at a premium? World Rugby states that top international games should be played on a field as close to maximum dimension as possible yet Ireland's premier venue is at the minimum.
World rugby state a max/min length of 100m/96m and a max/min width of 70m/68m
So it's OK then or can we (England) claim all our recent losses over there as wins now?
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From the Laws of Rugby
1.2 Required dimensions for the playing enclosure
(a) Dimensions. The field of play does not exceed 100 metres in length. Each in-goal does not exceed 22 metres in length. The playing area does not exceed 70 metres in width.
(b)
The length and breadth of the playing area are to be as near as possible to the dimensions indicated. All the areas are rectangular.
(c)
The distance from the goal line to the dead ball line will preferably be not less than 10 metres.
(d)
In respect of:
(i) Matches between the senior national representative team or the next senior national representative team of a Union against the senior or next senior national representative team of another Union; and
(ii) International seven-a-side matches;
the dimensions should be as close to the maximum sizes as possible, and not less than 94 metres in length for the field of play, 68 metres in width, and with a minimum in-goal length of 6 metres. Unions wishing to vary minimum or maximum dimensions should apply for dispensation to World Rugby. -
@Crucial
So - was there "dispensation"?
Or - does Soldier's Field not count... the now-double-asterisked Streak continues!@Kruse said in Ireland II:
@Crucial
So - was there "dispensation"?
Or - does Soldier's Field not count... the now-double-asterisked Streak continues!I'd be pretty sure you'd find out that Soldiers Field gained dispensation as part of 'promoting the game'
Landsdowne is within the dimensions but at the minimum when WR states 'should be as close as possible to maximum' .I am simply curious as to why Ireland's major rugby ground cannot get 'close to maximum'.
Anyway, it bit them in the bum when Cruden took his (second attempt) conversion. Just think, he could have been at a wider angle.
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@Kruse said in Ireland II:
@Crucial
So - was there "dispensation"?
Or - does Soldier's Field not count... the now-double-asterisked Streak continues!I'd be pretty sure you'd find out that Soldiers Field gained dispensation as part of 'promoting the game'
Landsdowne is within the dimensions but at the minimum when WR states 'should be as close as possible to maximum' .I am simply curious as to why Ireland's major rugby ground cannot get 'close to maximum'.
Anyway, it bit them in the bum when Cruden took his (second attempt) conversion. Just think, he could have been at a wider angle.
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(Credit to @RoninWC as I have used his post for a cut and paste
My team selection
W. Crockett
D. Coles
O. Franks
B. Retallick
S. Whitelock
J. Kaino
S. Cane
K Read
A. Smith
A. Cruden
J. Savea
A. Lienart-Brown
M. Fekitoa
I. Dagg
B. Smith
ReservesC. Taylor
J. Moody
C. Faumuina
L. Squire
A. Savea
T. Perenara
B. BarrettNot entirely sure on Squire or a specialist lock reserve
@Crucial If Whitelock starts then pretty sure Pat T will be bench with Savea loosie cover.
Assuming Kaino fit and Whitelock can only be risked for twenty then Pat T to start and Savea bench.
If Whitelock crocked Barrett to start and Pat T bench.
I'm struggling to see Squire in unless Kaino's AC rules him out.Injuries permitting, your starting 15 would be what I'd go for.
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Mystiques been banished, no word on aura though. Btw these totally sound like strippers names.
Any word on when the teams named?
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Mystiques been banished, no word on aura though. Btw these totally sound like strippers names.
Any word on when the teams named?
@jegga was named Monday, but they are fearing the Irish backlash so not gonna tell anyone.
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Mystiques been banished, no word on aura though. Btw these totally sound like strippers names.
Any word on when the teams named?
@jegga said in Ireland II:
Mystiques been banished, no word on aura though. Btw these totally sound like strippers names.
That is a shit headline considering the measured words Toner actually says - that the AB's had an off day, there were a lot of uncharacteristic mistakes from them in Chicago, they will be a different beast this week, hopefully it removes the mystique a little.
Fuck off, Stuff.
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Whitelock came through last 2 trainings apparently, so signs are promising he and BBBR will resume their partnership in the 2nd row
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BBBR was the worst player on the field in Rome, including the Italians.
It's a risk.
Will the captain hindsights who criticsed the selection of A Smith and Cane in Chicago be getting their doubts out there in advance this week re: Whitelock and Retallick?
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BBBR was the worst player on the field in Rome, including the Italians.
It's a risk.
Will the captain hindsights who criticsed the selection of A Smith and Cane in Chicago be getting their doubts out there in advance this week re: Whitelock and Retallick?
@Rapido said in Ireland II:
BBBR was the worst player on the field in Rome, including the Italians.
It's a risk.
Will the captain hindsights who criticsed the selection of A Smith and Cane in Chicago be getting their doubts out there in advance this week re: Whitelock and Retallick?
Why do you think they threw him out there for half a game when he wasn't needed? BBBR is always a touch quiet on returning to play after a break. He needed a hit out.
BBBR is awesome. If he has an off game then so be it but there is no way I wouldn't select him.
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@jegga said in Ireland II:
Mystiques been banished, no word on aura though. Btw these totally sound like strippers names.
That is a shit headline considering the measured words Toner actually says - that the AB's had an off day, there were a lot of uncharacteristic mistakes from them in Chicago, they will be a different beast this week, hopefully it removes the mystique a little.
Fuck off, Stuff.
@Mokey said in Ireland II:
That is a shit headline considering the measured words Toner actually says - that the AB's had an off day, there were a lot of uncharacteristic mistakes from them in Chicago, they will be a different beast this week, hopefully it removes the mystique a little.
Fuck off, Stuff.
god they're a fucking disgrace.
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@Rapido said in Ireland II:
BBBR was the worst player on the field in Rome, including the Italians.
It's a risk.
Will the captain hindsights who criticsed the selection of A Smith and Cane in Chicago be getting their doubts out there in advance this week re: Whitelock and Retallick?
Why do you think they threw him out there for half a game when he wasn't needed? BBBR is always a touch quiet on returning to play after a break. He needed a hit out.
BBBR is awesome. If he has an off game then so be it but there is no way I wouldn't select him.
@Crucial said in Ireland II:
@Rapido said in Ireland II:
BBBR was the worst player on the field in Rome, including the Italians.
It's a risk.
Will the captain hindsights who criticsed the selection of A Smith and Cane in Chicago be getting their doubts out there in advance this week re: Whitelock and Retallick?
Why do you think they threw him out there for half a game when he wasn't needed? BBBR is always a touch quiet on returning to play after a break. He needed a hit out.
BBBR is awesome. If he has an off game then so be it but there is no way I wouldn't select him.
Yeah so would I, tbh. The difference being he has actually played some minutes. But it should be acknowledged he was awful and there is risk selecting him.
Whitelock shouldn't be in the 23 IMO.
