All Blacks v Ireland II
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I think trying to compare two test results that are weeks apart has been fraught since the dawn of time.
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Just logged on to say fair play and cheers for a cracking series lads.
Proper, hard as nails rugby from two teams who wanted to play ball. Was delighted to get that monkey off our backs a fortnight ago and proud of the effort today, especially from our pack even if we lacked that little bit of attacking guile that sees your lads through when your backs are against the wall.
As losing Crotty last week affected your attack, there's no shame in losing our attacking shape after losing Sexton and Henshaw so early. That and your fellas superb defence was the difference in the game for me.
That and Brodie Retallick. What a beast of a player and the best player in the world by a distance in my book. I thought we had the edge in a lot of areas of the pack but that fecker evened the scales all on his own!
Agreed with Hansen's comments on there being no malice in any of the tough play tonight. The ref was a bit all over the place but I didn't think either side came off worse and we've only ourselves to blame for not exploiting the rubs of the green we did get. The decisions not to scrum penalties close to the line when we had a man advantage were shockers.
Anyway, enough rambling. Just wanted to say congrats and cheers for a fantastic 2 rugby!
@munstergreen welcome aboard. Stick around, good times ahead for Irish footy.
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Just saw this slow-mo of the Cane high tackle on YouTube. At the time in the match I thought it was more of a head-clash and a penalty only was a fair call, but the second angle here looks really ugly.
I expect a citing for both Cane and Fekitoa.
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@booboo said in Ireland II:
@Tordah said in Ireland II:
@taniwharugby said in Ireland II:
@Tordah what happened?
After Fekitoa scored and Barrett was lining up the conversion, the usual TV director shit comes up and he shows the last pass which was flat, a few in the stadium start to boo, Rory Best comes running from behind the posts up to Barrett who was preparing the kick and PEyper and wnats them to check
It wasn't even flat.
But at least O'Piper sends him away. Eventually.
I guess on your tiny TV screens in NZ you can't tell the difference. On my 65" it was forward.
@JustAnotherFan said in Ireland II:
@booboo said in Ireland II:
@Tordah said in Ireland II:
@taniwharugby said in Ireland II:
@Tordah what happened?
After Fekitoa scored and Barrett was lining up the conversion, the usual TV director shit comes up and he shows the last pass which was flat, a few in the stadium start to boo, Rory Best comes running from behind the posts up to Barrett who was preparing the kick and PEyper and wnats them to check
It wasn't even flat.
But at least O'Piper sends him away. Eventually.
I guess on your tiny TV screens in NZ you can't tell the difference. On my 65" it was forward.
That's a big screen to fit in a caravan, kudos!
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@SimonAdd_2 colour me shocked a tackle looks slightly worse on a super slow motion high def replay.
Shoulder to shoulder, arms involved, no sighting required. In fact that just confirms to me that it wasn't even a penalty.
It's not tiddly winks.
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@SimonAdd_2 colour me shocked a tackle looks slightly worse on a super slow motion high def replay.
Shoulder to shoulder, arms involved, no sighting required. In fact that just confirms to me that it wasn't even a penalty.
It's not tiddly winks.
Shoulder to shoulder? Get out of here, that's shoulder to face and you know it.
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@LagerLout said in Ireland II:
Bit surprised not to see Dagg involved in the kicking in this game, his punt would have been useful at times especially clearing from our 22.
Does anyone know the possession stats?
Ireland had 66% possession (source: Opta)
@Stargazer said in Ireland II:
@LagerLout said in Ireland II:
Bit surprised not to see Dagg involved in the kicking in this game, his punt would have been useful at times especially clearing from our 22.
Does anyone know the possession stats?
Ireland had 66% possession (source: Opta)
Wow.. we won, pretty convincingly with 34% possession? Looks like we have a LOT to work on, but also goes to show how good Ireland are.
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Just saw this slow-mo of the Cane high tackle on YouTube. At the time in the match I thought it was more of a head-clash and a penalty only was a fair call, but the second angle here looks really ugly.
I expect a citing for both Cane and Fekitoa.
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
Just saw this slow-mo of the Cane high tackle on YouTube. At the time in the match I thought it was more of a head-clash and a penalty only was a fair call, but the second angle here looks really ugly.
I expect a citing for both Cane and Fekitoa.
We do not accept any video footage without neon arrows pointing to Cane's shoulder on 20 different camera angles.
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Oh I'm sure the citing commissioner will annotate it adequately.
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Oh I'm sure the citing commissioner will annotate it adequately.
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
Oh I'm sure the citing commissioner will annotate it adequately.
Or some Irish, English, Aussie fan...
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@munstergreen welcome aboard. Stick around, good times ahead for Irish footy.
@ACT-Crusader cheers bud. Yeah there's a lot to be positive about for us lately. A few years ago we were terrified about losing the likes of O'Driscoll, O'Connell and Wallace. Now, although we mightn't have individuals of their quality, we suddenly have a far higher average bar and real depth across the squad.
There's still a long way to go. Our set piece, defence and pack are a match for anyone but today just proved again how far behind your lads we are in attack, especially when we lose our first choice midfielders.
Jared Payne is the leader of our defence and a rock in the midfield, but I'm not convinced we'll ever be an attacking force with him at 13.
The trick for us is bringing this intensity into every game of a 6nations. We usually have no issue raising our game for yourselves or England but then fail to show up against Wales or something frustrating like that.
Shame Schmidt isn't leading the Lions down your way next summer. Can't help but feel we're missing a trick with the 3rd best coach in the home nations at the helm.
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I think SA losing to Italy shows that while we are good the results in the RC were deceiving and that the southern hem sides are not superior at the moment - Ireland OZ will tell a story
@kidcalder said in Ireland II:
I think SA losing to Italy shows that while we are good the results in the RC were deceiving and that the southern hem sides are not superior at the moment - Ireland OZ will tell a story
South Africa are not great right now, but their NH tours are usually poor a bit hit and miss , even when they are playing well during the season
For whatever reason , they normally save their best for the ABs, ask any Saffer ,
Dont overlook that , almost every team that plays NZ sees it as their Everest , and puts in a special effort , including Ireland ,
I think we can read too much into individual games , because all sides fluctuate in their performances a bit from game to game , and need to look at the bigger picture , say the last 10 for example to get a more accurate guide
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I can't believe Schmidt isn't coaching the Lions either,unbelievable that Gatland is. Only due to knocking off England in the WC I feel.
@LagerLout said in Ireland II:
I can't believe Schmidt isn't coaching the Lions either,unbelievable that Gatland is. Only due to knocking off England in the WC I feel.
And winning the last Lions tour down under, too!
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Just saw this slow-mo of the Cane high tackle on YouTube. At the time in the match I thought it was more of a head-clash and a penalty only was a fair call, but the second angle here looks really ugly.
I expect a citing for both Cane and Fekitoa.
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
Just saw this slow-mo of the Cane high tackle on YouTube. At the time in the match I thought it was more of a head-clash and a penalty only was a fair call, but the second angle here looks really ugly.
I expect a citing for both Cane and Fekitoa.
Quick! tweet Brett Gosper.
Tweet Brian Moore.
We need a hashtag and arm bands.
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@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
Just saw this slow-mo of the Cane high tackle on YouTube. At the time in the match I thought it was more of a head-clash and a penalty only was a fair call, but the second angle here looks really ugly.
I expect a citing for both Cane and Fekitoa.
Quick! tweet Brett Gosper.
Tweet Brian Moore.
We need a hashtag and arm bands.
@booboo said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
Just saw this slow-mo of the Cane high tackle on YouTube. At the time in the match I thought it was more of a head-clash and a penalty only was a fair call, but the second angle here looks really ugly.
I expect a citing for both Cane and Fekitoa.
Quick! tweet Brett Gosper.
Tweet Brian Moore.
We need a hashtag and arm bands.
Who is it you think you're talking to? I'm a neutral here, I have no axe to grind.
I posted the video because it shows an angle that wasn't shown on TV (at least on my feed) and it changed my perception on what I thought was a borderline penalty to a pretty clear yellow at least.
And from your defensive reaction, I think you see it too.
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@booboo said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
Just saw this slow-mo of the Cane high tackle on YouTube. At the time in the match I thought it was more of a head-clash and a penalty only was a fair call, but the second angle here looks really ugly.
I expect a citing for both Cane and Fekitoa.
Quick! tweet Brett Gosper.
Tweet Brian Moore.
We need a hashtag and arm bands.
Who is it you think you're talking to? I'm a neutral here, I have no axe to grind.
I posted the video because it shows an angle that wasn't shown on TV (at least on my feed) and it changed my perception on what I thought was a borderline penalty to a pretty clear yellow at least.
And from your defensive reaction, I think you see it too.
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
@booboo said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
Just saw this slow-mo of the Cane high tackle on YouTube. At the time in the match I thought it was more of a head-clash and a penalty only was a fair call, but the second angle here looks really ugly.
I expect a citing for both Cane and Fekitoa.
Quick! tweet Brett Gosper.
Tweet Brian Moore.
We need a hashtag and arm bands.
Who is it you think you're talking to? I'm a neutral here, I have no axe to grind.
I posted the video because it shows an angle that wasn't shown on TV (at least on my feed) and it changed my perception on what I thought was a borderline penalty to a pretty clear yellow at least.
And from your defensive reaction, I think you see it too.
Simon there are no neutrals. You're an All Black fan or a hater. We know that.
Replay shows what was seen in the coverage. Confirms that left made contact with the chest and wrapped under the ball whilst right shoulder impacted Irish player's shoulder. Head clash on contact.
Nothing to see here. Shouldn't have been a penalty.
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@booboo said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
Just saw this slow-mo of the Cane high tackle on YouTube. At the time in the match I thought it was more of a head-clash and a penalty only was a fair call, but the second angle here looks really ugly.
I expect a citing for both Cane and Fekitoa.
Quick! tweet Brett Gosper.
Tweet Brian Moore.
We need a hashtag and arm bands.
Who is it you think you're talking to? I'm a neutral here, I have no axe to grind.
I posted the video because it shows an angle that wasn't shown on TV (at least on my feed) and it changed my perception on what I thought was a borderline penalty to a pretty clear yellow at least.
And from your defensive reaction, I think you see it too.
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
@booboo said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
Just saw this slow-mo of the Cane high tackle on YouTube. At the time in the match I thought it was more of a head-clash and a penalty only was a fair call, but the second angle here looks really ugly.
I expect a citing for both Cane and Fekitoa.
Quick! tweet Brett Gosper.
Tweet Brian Moore.
We need a hashtag and arm bands.
Who is it you think you're talking to? I'm a neutral here, I have no axe to grind.
I posted the video because it shows an angle that wasn't shown on TV (at least on my feed) and it changed my perception on what I thought was a borderline penalty to a pretty clear yellow at least.
And from your defensive reaction, I think you see it too.
I for one welcome your neutral opinion Simon.
Do you think you can dig up any neutral videos of the Sexton hit on Barrett?
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@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
@booboo said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
Just saw this slow-mo of the Cane high tackle on YouTube. At the time in the match I thought it was more of a head-clash and a penalty only was a fair call, but the second angle here looks really ugly.
I expect a citing for both Cane and Fekitoa.
Quick! tweet Brett Gosper.
Tweet Brian Moore.
We need a hashtag and arm bands.
Who is it you think you're talking to? I'm a neutral here, I have no axe to grind.
I posted the video because it shows an angle that wasn't shown on TV (at least on my feed) and it changed my perception on what I thought was a borderline penalty to a pretty clear yellow at least.
And from your defensive reaction, I think you see it too.
Simon there are no neutrals. You're an All Black fan or a hater. We know that.
Replay shows what was seen in the coverage. Confirms that left made contact with the chest and wrapped under the ball whilst right shoulder impacted Irish player's shoulder. Head clash on contact.
Nothing to see here. Shouldn't have been a penalty.
@booboo said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
@booboo said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
Just saw this slow-mo of the Cane high tackle on YouTube. At the time in the match I thought it was more of a head-clash and a penalty only was a fair call, but the second angle here looks really ugly.
I expect a citing for both Cane and Fekitoa.
Quick! tweet Brett Gosper.
Tweet Brian Moore.
We need a hashtag and arm bands.
Who is it you think you're talking to? I'm a neutral here, I have no axe to grind.
I posted the video because it shows an angle that wasn't shown on TV (at least on my feed) and it changed my perception on what I thought was a borderline penalty to a pretty clear yellow at least.
And from your defensive reaction, I think you see it too.
Simon there are no neutrals. You're an All Black fan or a hater. We know that.
Replay shows what was seen in the coverage. Confirms that left made contact with the chest and wrapped under the ball whilst right shoulder impacted Irish player's shoulder. Head clash on contact.
Nothing to see here. Shouldn't have been a penalty.
Watch the second angle. Point of the shoulder straight into the head, no shoulder-to-shoulder, no head clash. Your analysis matches what I though in real time, but that video shows it to be clearly wrong.
World Rugby announced a crackdown on even unintentional head-high shots immediately prior to this series of internationals. If you think they won't take a look at this you're dreaming.
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@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
@booboo said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
Just saw this slow-mo of the Cane high tackle on YouTube. At the time in the match I thought it was more of a head-clash and a penalty only was a fair call, but the second angle here looks really ugly.
I expect a citing for both Cane and Fekitoa.
Quick! tweet Brett Gosper.
Tweet Brian Moore.
We need a hashtag and arm bands.
Who is it you think you're talking to? I'm a neutral here, I have no axe to grind.
I posted the video because it shows an angle that wasn't shown on TV (at least on my feed) and it changed my perception on what I thought was a borderline penalty to a pretty clear yellow at least.
And from your defensive reaction, I think you see it too.
I for one welcome your neutral opinion Simon.
Do you think you can dig up any neutral videos of the Sexton hit on Barrett?
@rotated said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
@booboo said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
Just saw this slow-mo of the Cane high tackle on YouTube. At the time in the match I thought it was more of a head-clash and a penalty only was a fair call, but the second angle here looks really ugly.
I expect a citing for both Cane and Fekitoa.
Quick! tweet Brett Gosper.
Tweet Brian Moore.
We need a hashtag and arm bands.
Who is it you think you're talking to? I'm a neutral here, I have no axe to grind.
I posted the video because it shows an angle that wasn't shown on TV (at least on my feed) and it changed my perception on what I thought was a borderline penalty to a pretty clear yellow at least.
And from your defensive reaction, I think you see it too.
I for one welcome your neutral opinion Simon.
Do you think you can dig up any neutral videos of the Sexton hit on Barrett?
Glad you asked.
Definitely above the shoulders, not particularly dangerous but should have been a penalty at least.
Not remotely in the same league as Cane or Fekitoa's though.
