Uber v Taxis
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Uber v Taxis:
Moral Dilemma of Self-Driving Cars: Which Lives to Save in a Crash
Would you ride in a self-driving car that has been programmed to sacrifice its passengers to save the lives of others, in the event of a serious accident?
Never bought into that line of thought. Nobody's going to program in software that counts passengers and makes a decision based on the number of casualties, they will just build code that will stop and evade as best as possible when confused. Exactly how it is now with human drivers.
And Hooroo, once the computers are driving the most dangerous drivers will be humans, and the computers will be the best at avoiding them too.
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@Kirwan said in Uber v Taxis:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Uber v Taxis:
Moral Dilemma of Self-Driving Cars: Which Lives to Save in a Crash
Would you ride in a self-driving car that has been programmed to sacrifice its passengers to save the lives of others, in the event of a serious accident?
And Hooroo, once the computers are driving the most dangerous drivers will be humans, and the computers will be the best at avoiding them too.
I completely agree that humans will be the most dangerous just as they are now. My concern would be in not having control in a situation where a dangerous human was driving towards me and I had no control on the outcome (Which I am assuming through probablilty that the auto driver would make a better decision)
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@Hooroo said in Uber v Taxis:
I completely agree that humans will be the most dangerous just as they are now. My concern would be in not having control in a situation where a dangerous human was driving towards me and I had no control on the outcome (Which I am assuming through probablilty that the auto driver would make a better decision)
Its a valid concern, too. Thing is, the computer is going to react faster than you and take the most probable safe outcome
I watched that video Tesla released of the full autonomous mode and I realised how nervous I was. This was out on suburban/rural roads, and there were people and other vehicles everywhere. Fucking hell I don't know if I could do that
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While the computer can predict the best outcome for you, it is basing on the other person being a rational person making an error.
What if the other person is doing something deliberately or just really dangerous, will it have the intuition to realize something isn't quite right...granted these will be a small number and a driver driving a car in similar scenario will likely be equally as buggared.
I am often driving between Whangarei and Auckland and thinking man I'd love to not be driving...but then some complete idiots coming the opposite direction or passing me in mental places and I think (in my mind) I feel better knowing I am in 'control'
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@Hooroo said in Uber v Taxis:
@Kirwan said in Uber v Taxis:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Uber v Taxis:
Moral Dilemma of Self-Driving Cars: Which Lives to Save in a Crash
Would you ride in a self-driving car that has been programmed to sacrifice its passengers to save the lives of others, in the event of a serious accident?
And Hooroo, once the computers are driving the most dangerous drivers will be humans, and the computers will be the best at avoiding them too.
I completely agree that humans will be the most dangerous just as they are now. My concern would be in not having control in a situation where a dangerous human was driving towards me and I had no control on the outcome (Which I am assuming through probablilty that the auto driver would make a better decision)
You'll have the ability to take over, I doubt they will be allowed on the roads for many years without a steering wheel or a driver ready to take over in the front.
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Not necessarily - the software won't care about the motivations or state of mind of the other party. It will look at the surrounds, determine the best probable outcome, and then take action.
And at some point in its evolution, it will take that action before a human driver is even aware something is wrong.
The strength of the software will be based on a constant feed of road conditions, probable outcomes in a given situation, ability to recognise new actions of human drivers and put that into the programming, etc.
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@taniwharugby said in Uber v Taxis:
While the computer can predict the best outcome for you, it is basing on the other person being a rational person making an error.
What if the other person is doing something deliberately or just really dangerous, will it have the intuition to realize something isn't quite right...granted these will be a small number and a driver driving a car in similar scenario will likely be equally as buggared.
I am often driving between Whangarei and Auckland and thinking man I'd love to not be driving...but then some complete idiots coming the opposite direction or passing me in mental places and I think (in my mind) I feel better knowing I am in 'control'
It won't care about rational, it will predict an outcome and try to avoid a crash. Like NTA says, it's will be aware of an issue well before you will.
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@Kirwan said in Uber v Taxis:
@taniwharugby said in Uber v Taxis:
While the computer can predict the best outcome for you, it is basing on the other person being a rational person making an error.
What if the other person is doing something deliberately or just really dangerous, will it have the intuition to realize something isn't quite right...granted these will be a small number and a driver driving a car in similar scenario will likely be equally as buggared.
I am often driving between Whangarei and Auckland and thinking man I'd love to not be driving...but then some complete idiots coming the opposite direction or passing me in mental places and I think (in my mind) I feel better knowing I am in 'control'
It won't care about rational, it will predict an outcome and try to avoid a crash. Like NTA says, it's will be aware of an issue well before you will.
Fully agreed, especially if all vehicles are on GPS as well.
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@Godder that's the point, they wont all be initially, so it will be working at a slight disadvantage in that the car being driven by a human, will still have the human error element.
How does it differentiate a car in the opposite side of the road as one that is in a dangerous passing move as opposed to one on the wrong side cos the driver is asleep or driving into oncoming traffic deliberately? (ie I can see if they are passing dangerously, and in most cases will be able to differentiate)
I'm all for it, but will be a boots and all, otherwise you still have the worst part of the equation involved - us.
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@taniwharugby said in Uber v Taxis:
@Godder that's the point, they wont all be initially, so it will be working at a slight disadvantage in that the car being driven by a human, will still have the human error element.
How does it differentiate a car in the opposite side of the road as one that is in a dangerous passing move as opposed to one on the wrong side cos the driver is asleep or driving into oncoming traffic deliberately? (ie I can see if they are passing dangerously, and in most cases will be able to differentiate)
I'm all for it, but will be a boots and all, otherwise you still have the worst part of the equation involved - us.
They also have to predict where cyclists are going to go, animals crossing the road, pedestrians, as well as the traffic and the path, etc. When you see how they visualise the data and predict what other elements are going to do, it's pretty amazing
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@NTA said in Uber v Taxis:
There was another one where they had three of the cameras in acquisition mode - boxing all the solid and moving objects in different colours.
You see the one with bikes coming from both directions and almost having a crash, the car goes "dunno what they are trying to do" and slows to a stop, until they move past. Was funny.
Love how the car goes off to park itself.
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Yeah there was one point where it stopped for some joggers, but that was part of the caution of the vehicle.
Some seriously complex shit going on there, particularly the multi-camera multi-acquisition. Its up there with the military stuff according to a mate of mine who occasionally goes off to central Australian rocket ranges to work with extremely clean-cut American gentlemen to work on software that he can't tell me a thing about
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There is a slower version of this here:
Tesla's Latest Autopilot Demo Shows Us What A Model S 'Sees' In Real Time - BGR
Tesla over the weekend released a pair of videos which demonstrate, in real time, what the company's Autopilot software 'sees' when it's driving without any…
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@Kirwan I guess being a non-nerd, unlike some on here, it is hard to really understand how adaptive the tech is and will be.
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@taniwharugby don't worry, I'm sure the first time I step into an AV I'll be shitting myself
But I trust the guys writing the software are at least 1 million times better than me at this, so it should be sweet.Contrast this to my wife, who won't even use cruise control....
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@taniwharugby said in Uber v Taxis:
@Kirwan I guess being a non-nerd, unlike some on here, it is hard to really understand how adaptive the tech is and will be.
It's pretty amazing what they have achieved so far. I'll be nervous as hell driving in one of these, still though.
Another good video is the blind guy being taken through drive through. Think of the applications for the elderly and disabled alone. Going to be life changing.
Might even get rid of car parks, or car ownership for a large portion of society. Just get your app and say you need a car for x number of people at a location and time, and it turns up.
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@Kirwan said in Uber v Taxis:
@taniwharugby said in Uber v Taxis:
@Kirwan I guess being a non-nerd, unlike some on here, it is hard to really understand how adaptive the tech is and will be.
It's pretty amazing what they have achieved so far. I'll be nervous as hell driving in one of these, still though.
But you wont be driving
Was watching a new Tv Series last night and one of the characters had a Tesla, and when they got in I saw the navigation panel like in the clip above by @NTA
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@NTA said in Uber v Taxis:
Contrast this to my wife, who won't even use cruise control....
Or my wife who doesn't know what it is.
Her car has it, but it has oil as well and ...you get the point.As for self driving vehicles - fuck that. I've spent most of my life being transported by automation and it is seriously boring (interspersed with moments of sheer terror). I prefer the risk of the moron in front of you doing something idiotic and having to deal with it. We need some excitement in life.
