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B&I Lions 2017

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    It will come down to tactics and execution. The right tactics to starve us of as much ball as possible (although a firing AB side has proven it can still win against this style) and the execution needs to be near perfect under pressure to not cough up turnovers.
    That takes care of restricting/ frustrating the ABs but then you need to work out how to create tries (without undue risk taking)

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      It will come down to tactics and execution. The right tactics to starve us of as much ball as possible (although a firing AB side has proven it can still win against this style) and the execution needs to be near perfect under pressure to not cough up turnovers.
      That takes care of restricting/ frustrating the ABs but then you need to work out how to create tries (without undue risk taking)

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      @Crucial

      Presure can do that tho' England scored 2 tries v Aussie on the weekend by forcing them to play under presure, same deal when the Irish made us pass the ball backwards to Savea in Chicago. That Lions pack will out a massive amount of presure on leaving zero safe "out".

      That said I'd expect the ABNs to beat them 2nd test & fricking thrash them 3rd.

      Also what are the chances those 15's are actually fit to get on the plane. Every squad I've seen has Tuilagi in it on the bench. HA!

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        Confirmed: Steve Borthwick (England), Andy Farrell (Ireland) and Rob Howley (Wales) announced by Head Coach Warren Gatland as the 2017 Lions Coaching Team

        http://www.lionsrugby.com/news/warren-gatland-announces-coaching-team-15159#.WEgEurJ96Ul

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          Confirmed: Steve Borthwick (England), Andy Farrell (Ireland) and Rob Howley (Wales) announced by Head Coach Warren Gatland as the 2017 Lions Coaching Team

          http://www.lionsrugby.com/news/warren-gatland-announces-coaching-team-15159#.WEgEurJ96Ul

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          @Stargazer

          So they will have Englands lineout, Irelands choke defence & Wales ability to land on your face get knocked out & jump back up again.

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            There has been a lot of rumours that Ben Ryan will be involved somewhere.
            Not the case or not announced?

            He does seem quite bust trying to tie together this stadia/super team thing in the islands though

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            • CrucialC Crucial

              There has been a lot of rumours that Ben Ryan will be involved somewhere.
              Not the case or not announced?

              He does seem quite bust trying to tie together this stadia/super team thing in the islands though

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              @Crucial

              Still 2 more roles to name

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                There's also no announcement yet on who will be the QC, the Press Relations officer or the undertaker (for those that could have doid)

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                  Enough with the hypothetical XV's I would like to see these pundits drop some 22s on us. For the first time in a long time a side has the opportunity to select a bench that can at least get parity with ours.

                  That's if it is selected properly, the guys of the bench buy in and Gats executes it properly. Three big IFs - but our trump card could potentially be nullified on this tour.

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                  • CrucialC Crucial

                    There were also some pundit selections in the Sunday Times (firewalled I think) which included one from Stephen Jones who demonstrated his complete lack of selection ability having players out of position and a large contingent of Welsh.

                    Edit: found a post on another website with a photo of the selections

                    alt text

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                    @Crucial said in B&I Lions 2017:

                    There were also some pundit selections in the Sunday Times (firewalled I think) which included one from Stephen Jones who demonstrated his complete lack of selection ability having players out of position and a large contingent of Welsh.

                    Edit: found a post on another website with a photo of the selections

                    alt text

                    There's some odd selections in amongst all that. Sort of "I like this bloke and he has to be in the team but there's someone else I can't leave out, so I'll put him in somewhere". How many are picking Itoje as a 6 based primarily on his zero appearances there at international level and few at club level? It's not as if we don't have some bloody good 6s as it is.

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                      @Catogrande I agree. Itoje could be a good 6, but so could Brodie Rettalick if you wanted him to be one as long as he had a fair bit of practice in the role.
                      Of those selections I think DillydallyO's is the best although I also think a great case could be made for keeping Itoje on the bench as impact.
                      There is some good depth at lock, why not use it to advantage and have your most athletic player coming on for the last 30?

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                      • CatograndeC Catogrande

                        @Crucial said in B&I Lions 2017:

                        There were also some pundit selections in the Sunday Times (firewalled I think) which included one from Stephen Jones who demonstrated his complete lack of selection ability having players out of position and a large contingent of Welsh.

                        Edit: found a post on another website with a photo of the selections

                        alt text

                        There's some odd selections in amongst all that. Sort of "I like this bloke and he has to be in the team but there's someone else I can't leave out, so I'll put him in somewhere". How many are picking Itoje as a 6 based primarily on his zero appearances there at international level and few at club level? It's not as if we don't have some bloody good 6s as it is.

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                        @Catogrande said in B&I Lions 2017:

                        There's some odd selections in amongst all that. Sort of "I like this bloke and he has to be in the team but there's someone else I can't leave out, so I'll put him in somewhere". How many are picking Itoje as a 6 based primarily on his zero appearances there at international level and few at club level? It's not as if we don't have some bloody good 6s as it is.

                        Wasn't Itoje at 6 a fair bit in the Aussie tour?
                        Edit, spent 50 mins there in the 3rd test when Harrison got yanked & a bit there in the earlier 2

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                        • CrucialC Crucial

                          @Catogrande I agree. Itoje could be a good 6, but so could Brodie Rettalick if you wanted him to be one as long as he had a fair bit of practice in the role.
                          Of those selections I think DillydallyO's is the best although I also think a great case could be made for keeping Itoje on the bench as impact.
                          There is some good depth at lock, why not use it to advantage and have your most athletic player coming on for the last 30?

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                          @Crucial I agree, I reckon Itoje could be a decent option anywhere in the back 5 but in a Lions context perhaps a bench spot would be the better option. It's not as if we're short of locks, AWJ, either of the Gray boys, any of the English locks. Not overly impressed with Toner though. Always good in the line-out but not so consistent elsewhere.

                          You can certainly tell which one of the pundits has played international rugby in the pack!

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                            Two hacks, one world cup winner and one ex international that insists on proving time and time again what a terrible analyst he is.
                            Those RWC 2011 panel interviews with Barnes are still comedy gold.

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                              Two hacks, one world cup winner and one ex international that insists on proving time and time again what a terrible analyst he is.
                              Those RWC 2011 panel interviews with Barnes are still comedy gold.

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                              @Crucial That really is funny. Selective editing but it has started my day well. Barnes is an idiot - must be something about that name...

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                                That Joseph/Farrell midfield combo those pundits keep selecting does nothing for more. Wouldn't be concerned at all if that's who Gatland picked for the Tests.

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                                • StargazerS Stargazer

                                  Confirmed: Steve Borthwick (England), Andy Farrell (Ireland) and Rob Howley (Wales) announced by Head Coach Warren Gatland as the 2017 Lions Coaching Team

                                  http://www.lionsrugby.com/news/warren-gatland-announces-coaching-team-15159#.WEgEurJ96Ul

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                                  @Stargazer said in B&I Lions 2017:

                                  Confirmed: Steve Borthwick (England), Andy Farrell (Ireland) and Rob Howley (Wales) announced by Head Coach Warren Gatland as the 2017 Lions Coaching Team

                                  http://www.lionsrugby.com/news/warren-gatland-announces-coaching-team-15159#.WEgEurJ96Ul

                                  Heard on the radio this morning that Jason O'Halloran is a shot at being involved given his involvement with Scotland.

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                                  • CrucialC Crucial

                                    Two hacks, one world cup winner and one ex international that insists on proving time and time again what a terrible analyst he is.
                                    Those RWC 2011 panel interviews with Barnes are still comedy gold.

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                                    Virgil
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                                    @Crucial said in B&I Lions 2017:

                                    Two hacks, one world cup winner and one ex international that insists on proving time and time again what a terrible analyst he is.
                                    Those RWC 2011 panel interviews with Barnes are still comedy gold.

                                    An oldie but a goodie.

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                                      @Crucial said in B&I Lions 2017:

                                      Two hacks, one world cup winner and one ex international that insists on proving time and time again what a terrible analyst he is.
                                      Those RWC 2011 panel interviews with Barnes are still comedy gold.

                                      An oldie but a goodie.

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                                      @Virgil hadn't ever seen that, that is pure gold

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                                      • TeWaioT TeWaio

                                        @Virgil hadn't ever seen that, that is pure gold

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                                        @TeWaio I haven't clicked on it yet. I am already squirming with the potential embarrassment factor, given what occurred.
                                        #stillinshock

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                                        • CatograndeC Catogrande

                                          @TeWaio I haven't clicked on it yet. I am already squirming with the potential embarrassment factor, given what occurred.
                                          #stillinshock

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                                          @Catogrande Nothing to be embarrased about Cato. Selective quoting followed by selective clips which show the selective quotes as being wrong!

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