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@Virgil said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Agree with the moments of clunkyness but overall was very enjoyable and easily one of the better films in the Star Wars universe.
Superb tie in with past characters as well.
Great to see DV in action.
What ever reshooots were needed it paid off big time.That 60 seconds of Darth Vader was worth the price of admission.
My son's has chucked the Clone Wars series back on (and currently watching SIth...) and they actually matched the DV rampage pretty well with the cartoon fighting style of Anakin. Nice attention to detail.
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@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Virgil said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Agree with the moments of clunkyness but overall was very enjoyable and easily one of the better films in the Star Wars universe.
Superb tie in with past characters as well.
Great to see DV in action.
What ever reshooots were needed it paid off big time.That 60 seconds of Darth Vader was worth the price of admission.
My son's has chucked the Clone Wars series back on (and currently watching SIth...) and they actually matched the DV rampage pretty well with the cartoon fighting style of Anakin. Nice attention to detail.
Never gotten into the spin off series like Rebels etc
Couldn't see a lot of sense with the Saw G part, unless a lot was cut out it seemed unnecessary.
Also noticed a few scenes missing from the main trailers.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
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Took my boys on Saturday and it takes a lot to keep a six and right year old glued to a screen for more than a coupl of hours. This flick accomplished that and then some. Future mrs MN5 said it was the best Star Wars she's seen and I've made her sit through them all. I think that in itself speaks volumes although naturally there are a few esteemed 'critics' who marked it low because there's obviously not enough Reasons and Rattues in the world....
Fucken awesome on second viewing as expected....
Did admiral akbars fish faced cousin die at the end when the shop was boarded? I assume he did.
Also @Rancid-Schnitzel it was definitely a victory....they got the plans even though so many of them died.
@mariner4life did your boys love it as much as mine?
I find the image of Akbar's green relative tied to a chair getting the brass nuckle treatment to be absolutely hilarious.
In terms of objectives, I guess it was a win but only if those plans get to their target. They were far from safe at the start of ANH.
My kids enjoyed the film, but all the main characters getting killed is pretty tough on them. I can't recall a film from my childhood when every single one of the heroes dies.
I think I mentioned it above, but how funny was the death of the pie-eating Red 5? Fark that had me in tears.
The death thing concerned me a bit but then if you think about it in the whole saga Han, Obi Wan, Mace Windu, Yoda, Qui Gonn etc all bagged it on screen so my boys are used to loads of their hero's not making it.
Too early to say where it sits in the Star Wars echelon.....but did anyone NOT think it was heaps better than TFA?
Hey, Yoda died of old age.
I guess the difference here is that we just got introduced to the characters and then they bought it. Another film or 2 would have been nice. Every single one of them got wasted as well. Even Green Akbar apparently.
IMHO this film highlighted just how shit and unoriginal TFA was.
Now now...Star Wars, like sex and pizza, is never 'shit'...some is better than others that's all.
It's probably a toss up between TFA and TPM for 'worst' Star Wars movies in my opinion but in saying that they're both still fucken decent which sums up the series as a whole. In no way do they slum it with the worst of Indiana Jones, Jaws, Alien etc.
My apologies. Shit is relative in the SW universe. As ordinary as the prequels were (not 3, that was cool), they were at least original. TFA was a soft reboot.
Only if you focus on the Starkiller Base, otherwise it's not that similar. The purpose of TFA was to draw a line under the prequels, set up the new characters and the mysteries of the new story.
For example, where is Luke and why has he vanished. Who is Rey. Who are the Knights of Ren and Snoke? None of which are anything to do with A New Hope.
I think of it as more of a reintroduction that a soft reboot. All that goes out the window if they just remake Empire Strikes Back for Episode 8, but I'm hopeful that they have laid the foundation they need to tell new stories now.
There might be new elements and characters but the plot and important features of the film were a direct ripoff of E4. Everything from hiding plans in droid, to race against time to protect droid from baddies, desert rat who becomes a Jedi, and of course the much much bigger Death Star etc etc.
And as I mentioned R1, RoTJ and TFA all reuse elements of past Star Wars films.
The main plot arc of TFA was not StarKiller base, it was finding Luke. The base was just the excuse for the battle, and had more creativity than Return of the Jedi which was literally just another Death Star.
It's a weird thing to complain about now that there have been four Star Wars movies ending with battles over planet killing bases. It's just the excuse for the Star Wars bit in the title. Five if you include the Death Star skeleton shown at the end of Sith.
Of course they reuse elements. It's the same story. But TFA just took the plot of ANH and changed it up a bit. Even casual fans have commented on how similar they are. ROTJ won't win prizes for originality by having another Death Star but other than that it was much different to the first 2. In fact there was a shit ton of new stuff in Jedi and it was nothing like a retelling of ANH.
If Ep 8 is just another ESB reboot then I will be unhappy. If they go off on some exciting new tangent then Ep7 will be regarded as Kirwan suggests, a necessary re-introduction to the franchise for fans old and new
They got so much shit about the story being too similar to ANH they'd be mad to do it again. That said, there is going to have to be jedi training of Rey you'd assume. Going to be hard to make that too different, and a second act is usually the dark one, so again....
Up to them to exceed expectations.
I heard a great rumour that I'd love them to do, is that the story arc is Rey falling to the dark side and the redemption of Ben. Doubtfull but a fun idea.
Luke had to train in order to fight daddy dearest. Rey has no sith lord to confront, just that pussy Ben. Luke would appear to be less willing to teach than obi wan or yoda. There is enough opportunity to do things differently, if they're bold enough
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@canefan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
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@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
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@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
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Took my boys on Saturday and it takes a lot to keep a six and right year old glued to a screen for more than a coupl of hours. This flick accomplished that and then some. Future mrs MN5 said it was the best Star Wars she's seen and I've made her sit through them all. I think that in itself speaks volumes although naturally there are a few esteemed 'critics' who marked it low because there's obviously not enough Reasons and Rattues in the world....
Fucken awesome on second viewing as expected....
Did admiral akbars fish faced cousin die at the end when the shop was boarded? I assume he did.
Also @Rancid-Schnitzel it was definitely a victory....they got the plans even though so many of them died.
@mariner4life did your boys love it as much as mine?
I find the image of Akbar's green relative tied to a chair getting the brass nuckle treatment to be absolutely hilarious.
In terms of objectives, I guess it was a win but only if those plans get to their target. They were far from safe at the start of ANH.
My kids enjoyed the film, but all the main characters getting killed is pretty tough on them. I can't recall a film from my childhood when every single one of the heroes dies.
I think I mentioned it above, but how funny was the death of the pie-eating Red 5? Fark that had me in tears.
The death thing concerned me a bit but then if you think about it in the whole saga Han, Obi Wan, Mace Windu, Yoda, Qui Gonn etc all bagged it on screen so my boys are used to loads of their hero's not making it.
Too early to say where it sits in the Star Wars echelon.....but did anyone NOT think it was heaps better than TFA?
Hey, Yoda died of old age.
I guess the difference here is that we just got introduced to the characters and then they bought it. Another film or 2 would have been nice. Every single one of them got wasted as well. Even Green Akbar apparently.
IMHO this film highlighted just how shit and unoriginal TFA was.
Now now...Star Wars, like sex and pizza, is never 'shit'...some is better than others that's all.
It's probably a toss up between TFA and TPM for 'worst' Star Wars movies in my opinion but in saying that they're both still fucken decent which sums up the series as a whole. In no way do they slum it with the worst of Indiana Jones, Jaws, Alien etc.
My apologies. Shit is relative in the SW universe. As ordinary as the prequels were (not 3, that was cool), they were at least original. TFA was a soft reboot.
Only if you focus on the Starkiller Base, otherwise it's not that similar. The purpose of TFA was to draw a line under the prequels, set up the new characters and the mysteries of the new story.
For example, where is Luke and why has he vanished. Who is Rey. Who are the Knights of Ren and Snoke? None of which are anything to do with A New Hope.
I think of it as more of a reintroduction that a soft reboot. All that goes out the window if they just remake Empire Strikes Back for Episode 8, but I'm hopeful that they have laid the foundation they need to tell new stories now.
There might be new elements and characters but the plot and important features of the film were a direct ripoff of E4. Everything from hiding plans in droid, to race against time to protect droid from baddies, desert rat who becomes a Jedi, and of course the much much bigger Death Star etc etc.
And as I mentioned R1, RoTJ and TFA all reuse elements of past Star Wars films.
The main plot arc of TFA was not StarKiller base, it was finding Luke. The base was just the excuse for the battle, and had more creativity than Return of the Jedi which was literally just another Death Star.
It's a weird thing to complain about now that there have been four Star Wars movies ending with battles over planet killing bases. It's just the excuse for the Star Wars bit in the title. Five if you include the Death Star skeleton shown at the end of Sith.
Of course they reuse elements. It's the same story. But TFA just took the plot of ANH and changed it up a bit. Even casual fans have commented on how similar they are. ROTJ won't win prizes for originality by having another Death Star but other than that it was much different to the first 2. In fact there was a shit ton of new stuff in Jedi and it was nothing like a retelling of ANH.
If Ep 8 is just another ESB reboot then I will be unhappy. If they go off on some exciting new tangent then Ep7 will be regarded as Kirwan suggests, a necessary re-introduction to the franchise for fans old and new
They got so much shit about the story being too similar to ANH they'd be mad to do it again. That said, there is going to have to be jedi training of Rey you'd assume. Going to be hard to make that too different, and a second act is usually the dark one, so again....
Up to them to exceed expectations.
I heard a great rumour that I'd love them to do, is that the story arc is Rey falling to the dark side and the redemption of Ben. Doubtfull but a fun idea.
Luke had to train in order to fight daddy dearest. Rey has no sith lord to confront, just that pussy Ben. Luke would appear to be less willing to teach than obi wan or yoda. There is enough opportunity to do things differently, if they're bold enough
The thing that R1 seems to have proven is that a dark SW film makes money, so it's not just a the kids market they have to cater to anymore.
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@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Took my boys on Saturday and it takes a lot to keep a six and right year old glued to a screen for more than a coupl of hours. This flick accomplished that and then some. Future mrs MN5 said it was the best Star Wars she's seen and I've made her sit through them all. I think that in itself speaks volumes although naturally there are a few esteemed 'critics' who marked it low because there's obviously not enough Reasons and Rattues in the world....
Fucken awesome on second viewing as expected....
Did admiral akbars fish faced cousin die at the end when the shop was boarded? I assume he did.
Also @Rancid-Schnitzel it was definitely a victory....they got the plans even though so many of them died.
@mariner4life did your boys love it as much as mine?
I find the image of Akbar's green relative tied to a chair getting the brass nuckle treatment to be absolutely hilarious.
In terms of objectives, I guess it was a win but only if those plans get to their target. They were far from safe at the start of ANH.
My kids enjoyed the film, but all the main characters getting killed is pretty tough on them. I can't recall a film from my childhood when every single one of the heroes dies.
I think I mentioned it above, but how funny was the death of the pie-eating Red 5? Fark that had me in tears.
The death thing concerned me a bit but then if you think about it in the whole saga Han, Obi Wan, Mace Windu, Yoda, Qui Gonn etc all bagged it on screen so my boys are used to loads of their hero's not making it.
Too early to say where it sits in the Star Wars echelon.....but did anyone NOT think it was heaps better than TFA?
Hey, Yoda died of old age.
I guess the difference here is that we just got introduced to the characters and then they bought it. Another film or 2 would have been nice. Every single one of them got wasted as well. Even Green Akbar apparently.
IMHO this film highlighted just how shit and unoriginal TFA was.
Now now...Star Wars, like sex and pizza, is never 'shit'...some is better than others that's all.
It's probably a toss up between TFA and TPM for 'worst' Star Wars movies in my opinion but in saying that they're both still fucken decent which sums up the series as a whole. In no way do they slum it with the worst of Indiana Jones, Jaws, Alien etc.
My apologies. Shit is relative in the SW universe. As ordinary as the prequels were (not 3, that was cool), they were at least original. TFA was a soft reboot.
Only if you focus on the Starkiller Base, otherwise it's not that similar. The purpose of TFA was to draw a line under the prequels, set up the new characters and the mysteries of the new story.
For example, where is Luke and why has he vanished. Who is Rey. Who are the Knights of Ren and Snoke? None of which are anything to do with A New Hope.
I think of it as more of a reintroduction that a soft reboot. All that goes out the window if they just remake Empire Strikes Back for Episode 8, but I'm hopeful that they have laid the foundation they need to tell new stories now.
There might be new elements and characters but the plot and important features of the film were a direct ripoff of E4. Everything from hiding plans in droid, to race against time to protect droid from baddies, desert rat who becomes a Jedi, and of course the much much bigger Death Star etc etc.
And as I mentioned R1, RoTJ and TFA all reuse elements of past Star Wars films.
The main plot arc of TFA was not StarKiller base, it was finding Luke. The base was just the excuse for the battle, and had more creativity than Return of the Jedi which was literally just another Death Star.
It's a weird thing to complain about now that there have been four Star Wars movies ending with battles over planet killing bases. It's just the excuse for the Star Wars bit in the title. Five if you include the Death Star skeleton shown at the end of Sith.
Of course they reuse elements. It's the same story. But TFA just took the plot of ANH and changed it up a bit. Even casual fans have commented on how similar they are. ROTJ won't win prizes for originality by having another Death Star but other than that it was much different to the first 2. In fact there was a shit ton of new stuff in Jedi and it was nothing like a retelling of ANH.
And there was plenty of new stuff in TFAs as well.
Yes, interspersed with basically the entire plot and main features of ANH, right down to the bar scene.
I have heard the reasoning behind this but I don't think it was necessary to steal so much to set the stage for VIII. In terms of creativity and plot, it was easily the worst SW. Actually probably on par with the Trade Federation crap.
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A lot of the critics are rating Rogue One the second best of the Star Wars movies after Empire. I still have a soft spot for the original Star Wars. You had to be there in 1977.
The strength of Rogue One is the last 10 mins but on first viewing it does meander a bit to get to that point. However, Rogue One does look like it belongs as part of the original trilogy.
I watched TFA last night to make a comparison and it's infinitely better than Eps 1-3.
The good thing is that we should have a SW movie released every year for the next few years starting with Ep 8 in 2017 and a Young Han Solo movie too.
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@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
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@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Took my boys on Saturday and it takes a lot to keep a six and right year old glued to a screen for more than a coupl of hours. This flick accomplished that and then some. Future mrs MN5 said it was the best Star Wars she's seen and I've made her sit through them all. I think that in itself speaks volumes although naturally there are a few esteemed 'critics' who marked it low because there's obviously not enough Reasons and Rattues in the world....
Fucken awesome on second viewing as expected....
Did admiral akbars fish faced cousin die at the end when the shop was boarded? I assume he did.
Also @Rancid-Schnitzel it was definitely a victory....they got the plans even though so many of them died.
@mariner4life did your boys love it as much as mine?
I find the image of Akbar's green relative tied to a chair getting the brass nuckle treatment to be absolutely hilarious.
In terms of objectives, I guess it was a win but only if those plans get to their target. They were far from safe at the start of ANH.
My kids enjoyed the film, but all the main characters getting killed is pretty tough on them. I can't recall a film from my childhood when every single one of the heroes dies.
I think I mentioned it above, but how funny was the death of the pie-eating Red 5? Fark that had me in tears.
The death thing concerned me a bit but then if you think about it in the whole saga Han, Obi Wan, Mace Windu, Yoda, Qui Gonn etc all bagged it on screen so my boys are used to loads of their hero's not making it.
Too early to say where it sits in the Star Wars echelon.....but did anyone NOT think it was heaps better than TFA?
Hey, Yoda died of old age.
I guess the difference here is that we just got introduced to the characters and then they bought it. Another film or 2 would have been nice. Every single one of them got wasted as well. Even Green Akbar apparently.
IMHO this film highlighted just how shit and unoriginal TFA was.
Now now...Star Wars, like sex and pizza, is never 'shit'...some is better than others that's all.
It's probably a toss up between TFA and TPM for 'worst' Star Wars movies in my opinion but in saying that they're both still fucken decent which sums up the series as a whole. In no way do they slum it with the worst of Indiana Jones, Jaws, Alien etc.
My apologies. Shit is relative in the SW universe. As ordinary as the prequels were (not 3, that was cool), they were at least original. TFA was a soft reboot.
Only if you focus on the Starkiller Base, otherwise it's not that similar. The purpose of TFA was to draw a line under the prequels, set up the new characters and the mysteries of the new story.
For example, where is Luke and why has he vanished. Who is Rey. Who are the Knights of Ren and Snoke? None of which are anything to do with A New Hope.
I think of it as more of a reintroduction that a soft reboot. All that goes out the window if they just remake Empire Strikes Back for Episode 8, but I'm hopeful that they have laid the foundation they need to tell new stories now.
There might be new elements and characters but the plot and important features of the film were a direct ripoff of E4. Everything from hiding plans in droid, to race against time to protect droid from baddies, desert rat who becomes a Jedi, and of course the much much bigger Death Star etc etc.
And as I mentioned R1, RoTJ and TFA all reuse elements of past Star Wars films.
The main plot arc of TFA was not StarKiller base, it was finding Luke. The base was just the excuse for the battle, and had more creativity than Return of the Jedi which was literally just another Death Star.
It's a weird thing to complain about now that there have been four Star Wars movies ending with battles over planet killing bases. It's just the excuse for the Star Wars bit in the title. Five if you include the Death Star skeleton shown at the end of Sith.
Of course they reuse elements. It's the same story. But TFA just took the plot of ANH and changed it up a bit. Even casual fans have commented on how similar they are. ROTJ won't win prizes for originality by having another Death Star but other than that it was much different to the first 2. In fact there was a shit ton of new stuff in Jedi and it was nothing like a retelling of ANH.
If Ep 8 is just another ESB reboot then I will be unhappy. If they go off on some exciting new tangent then Ep7 will be regarded as Kirwan suggests, a necessary re-introduction to the franchise for fans old and new
They got so much shit about the story being too similar to ANH they'd be mad to do it again. That said, there is going to have to be jedi training of Rey you'd assume. Going to be hard to make that too different, and a second act is usually the dark one, so again....
Up to them to exceed expectations.
I heard a great rumour that I'd love them to do, is that the story arc is Rey falling to the dark side and the redemption of Ben. Doubtfull but a fun idea.
Luke had to train in order to fight daddy dearest. Rey has no sith lord to confront, just that pussy Ben. Luke would appear to be less willing to teach than obi wan or yoda. There is enough opportunity to do things differently, if they're bold enough
The thing that R1 seems to have proven is that a dark SW film makes money, so it's not just a the kids market they have to cater to anymore.
The thing the original films didn't really convey was any sense how much the odds were against the rebel alliance. The battle in R1 was a glorious defeat, as good as a victory
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Took my boys on Saturday and it takes a lot to keep a six and right year old glued to a screen for more than a coupl of hours. This flick accomplished that and then some. Future mrs MN5 said it was the best Star Wars she's seen and I've made her sit through them all. I think that in itself speaks volumes although naturally there are a few esteemed 'critics' who marked it low because there's obviously not enough Reasons and Rattues in the world....
Fucken awesome on second viewing as expected....
Did admiral akbars fish faced cousin die at the end when the shop was boarded? I assume he did.
Also @Rancid-Schnitzel it was definitely a victory....they got the plans even though so many of them died.
@mariner4life did your boys love it as much as mine?
I find the image of Akbar's green relative tied to a chair getting the brass nuckle treatment to be absolutely hilarious.
In terms of objectives, I guess it was a win but only if those plans get to their target. They were far from safe at the start of ANH.
My kids enjoyed the film, but all the main characters getting killed is pretty tough on them. I can't recall a film from my childhood when every single one of the heroes dies.
I think I mentioned it above, but how funny was the death of the pie-eating Red 5? Fark that had me in tears.
The death thing concerned me a bit but then if you think about it in the whole saga Han, Obi Wan, Mace Windu, Yoda, Qui Gonn etc all bagged it on screen so my boys are used to loads of their hero's not making it.
Too early to say where it sits in the Star Wars echelon.....but did anyone NOT think it was heaps better than TFA?
Hey, Yoda died of old age.
I guess the difference here is that we just got introduced to the characters and then they bought it. Another film or 2 would have been nice. Every single one of them got wasted as well. Even Green Akbar apparently.
IMHO this film highlighted just how shit and unoriginal TFA was.
Now now...Star Wars, like sex and pizza, is never 'shit'...some is better than others that's all.
It's probably a toss up between TFA and TPM for 'worst' Star Wars movies in my opinion but in saying that they're both still fucken decent which sums up the series as a whole. In no way do they slum it with the worst of Indiana Jones, Jaws, Alien etc.
My apologies. Shit is relative in the SW universe. As ordinary as the prequels were (not 3, that was cool), they were at least original. TFA was a soft reboot.
Only if you focus on the Starkiller Base, otherwise it's not that similar. The purpose of TFA was to draw a line under the prequels, set up the new characters and the mysteries of the new story.
For example, where is Luke and why has he vanished. Who is Rey. Who are the Knights of Ren and Snoke? None of which are anything to do with A New Hope.
I think of it as more of a reintroduction that a soft reboot. All that goes out the window if they just remake Empire Strikes Back for Episode 8, but I'm hopeful that they have laid the foundation they need to tell new stories now.
There might be new elements and characters but the plot and important features of the film were a direct ripoff of E4. Everything from hiding plans in droid, to race against time to protect droid from baddies, desert rat who becomes a Jedi, and of course the much much bigger Death Star etc etc.
And as I mentioned R1, RoTJ and TFA all reuse elements of past Star Wars films.
The main plot arc of TFA was not StarKiller base, it was finding Luke. The base was just the excuse for the battle, and had more creativity than Return of the Jedi which was literally just another Death Star.
It's a weird thing to complain about now that there have been four Star Wars movies ending with battles over planet killing bases. It's just the excuse for the Star Wars bit in the title. Five if you include the Death Star skeleton shown at the end of Sith.
Of course they reuse elements. It's the same story. But TFA just took the plot of ANH and changed it up a bit. Even casual fans have commented on how similar they are. ROTJ won't win prizes for originality by having another Death Star but other than that it was much different to the first 2. In fact there was a shit ton of new stuff in Jedi and it was nothing like a retelling of ANH.
And there was plenty of new stuff in TFAs as well.
Yes, interspersed with basically the entire plot and main features of ANH, right down to the bar scene.
I have heard the reasoning behind this but I don't think it was necessary to steal so much to set the stage for VIII. In terms of creativity and plot, it was easily the worst SW. Actually probably on par with the Trade Federation crap.
You can keep saying that, but it doesn't make it true. Some elements were similar, but there were more differences. I can list more differences that similarities.
Like I said above, significantly more callbacks in R1, to the degree they used footage from ANH.
Both are good films, regardless. Way better than the prequels.
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The reboot trilogy is certainly not without its flaws, chief among them being one of THE most irritating characters in cinematic history, but I think it's hard to have a go when it introduced such awesome characters as Darth Maul, Qui Gonn, Jango Fett, Mace Windu, General Grievous and a few others. I rate AOTC and ROTS better than TFA but that's just my opinion.
What do you
geekscool guys think of the fan theory that Snoke is actually Moff Tarkin ? ( assuming he escaped the death star explosion somehow )I'm already bored of whiny fucken Kylo Ren but really keen to find out Snokes origin.
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fuck you @MN5 you set off Mariner's irrational pissed-off thing of the week.
Liking the most popular movie franchise of all time doesn't make you a fucking geek, or a fucking nerd, it makes you mainstream as fuck. In fact, i would go so far as to say people who don't like/watch it are the outsiders, and deserving of heckle.
All weekend posts from facebook "friends" (it might be cull time) with stupid shit like "getting my geek on at Rogue 1 #nerds haha"
Get. Fucked. You are not living in a fucking 80s high school/college movie.
And there is no way in hell Attack of the Clones is better than The Force Awakens. Believe me, I wish I could just wish away my feelings, but I can't
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@mariner4life said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
fuck you @MN5 you set off Mariner's irrational pissed-off thing of the week.
Liking the most popular movie franchise of all time doesn't make you a fucking geek, or a fucking nerd, it makes you mainstream as fuck. In fact, i would go so far as to say people who don't like/watch it are the outsiders, and deserving of heckle.
All weekend posts from facebook "friends" (it might be cull time) with stupid shit like "getting my geek on at Rogue 1 #nerds haha"
Get. Fucked. You are not living in a fucking 80s high school/college movie.
And there is no way in hell Attack of the Clones is better than The Force Awakens. Believe me, I wish I could just wish away my feelings, but I can't
I hear all that but the state of some of island bays finest would have you rethinking to some extent. Leather trenchcoats on a warm evening make for a rather pungent aroma to say the least.
I'm allowed to think AOTC is better than TFA if only for some of the characters i mentioned and the final battle scene which was exeptional.
You can't try and base a point on cringy terrible lines in Star Wars....every single movie has them.
i'm with you too
what's wrong......oh it's Han
*but I wanted to go to toshi station to pick up some power converters *That's just Luke....
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@canefan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 if Snoke is Tarkin where was he hiding for eps 5 and 6? I agree though, Snoke doesn't look real, could be a wizard of Oz situation
Well yeah but Snoke said he witnessed the rise and fall of the Empire. He must fit in somewhere....
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This seems a fair comparison, and saves me from doing it;
'Star Wars' vs. 'The Force Awakens': The ultimate comparison
Is Episode VII a remake of Episode IV? Only one way to find out for sure: Obsessively deconstruct both, minute by minute.
There's less than you think. I've watched the movie far to many times to admit, so maybe that's dampened the effect of the bits that are echos. It certainly has made me appreciate what they have set in motion.
I'm just pleased we have good Star Wars movies again.
And I think there is a good movie somewhere in the first three episodes, just waiting for a good editor to slice it all together.
Wish Disney would make all the footage available for someone to do an else-world version and re-con it as the real version.
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@canefan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 if Snoke is Tarkin where was he hiding for eps 5 and 6? I agree though, Snoke doesn't look real, could be a wizard of Oz situation
I hope it's not, I'd kind of like it to be Darth Plageius. Maybe it would be better to be someone new.
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@canefan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 if Snoke is Tarkin where was he hiding for eps 5 and 6? I agree though, Snoke doesn't look real, could be a wizard of Oz situation
I hope it's not, I'd kind of like it to be Darth Plageius. Maybe it would be better to be someone new.
Yeah he's an intriguing character. My boys always ask about him in great detail......what he looks like....his powers etc......is he alive?
'Fucked if I know....' is about the best reply I can muster.
As I alluded to before I really liked Tarkin as a character. Some mystical force stuff would only add to his appeal.
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@canefan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 if Snoke is Tarkin where was he hiding for eps 5 and 6? I agree though, Snoke doesn't look real, could be a wizard of Oz situation
I hope it's not, I'd kind of like it to be Darth Plageius. Maybe it would be better to be someone new.
Yeah he's an intriguing character. My boys always ask about him in great detail......what he looks like....his powers etc......is he alive?
'Fucked if I know....' is about the best reply I can muster.
As I alluded to before I really liked Tarkin as a character. Some mystical force stuff would only add to his appeal.
I thought it was just really poor CGI. Sort of a poor man's version of this guy
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@canefan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 Tarkin was not force sensitive, nothing in SW Rebels I saw of him suggested otherwise. He was eagerly waiting the final destruction of Yavin when he got his ass vaporized
Yeah I agree the theory is extremely unlikely, we know Vader escaped the Death Star destruction but no one else looked likely to have done so.
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Took my boys on Saturday and it takes a lot to keep a six and right year old glued to a screen for more than a coupl of hours. This flick accomplished that and then some. Future mrs MN5 said it was the best Star Wars she's seen and I've made her sit through them all. I think that in itself speaks volumes although naturally there are a few esteemed 'critics' who marked it low because there's obviously not enough Reasons and Rattues in the world....
Fucken awesome on second viewing as expected....
Did admiral akbars fish faced cousin die at the end when the shop was boarded? I assume he did.
Also @Rancid-Schnitzel it was definitely a victory....they got the plans even though so many of them died.
@mariner4life did your boys love it as much as mine?
I find the image of Akbar's green relative tied to a chair getting the brass nuckle treatment to be absolutely hilarious.
In terms of objectives, I guess it was a win but only if those plans get to their target. They were far from safe at the start of ANH.
My kids enjoyed the film, but all the main characters getting killed is pretty tough on them. I can't recall a film from my childhood when every single one of the heroes dies.
I think I mentioned it above, but how funny was the death of the pie-eating Red 5? Fark that had me in tears.
The death thing concerned me a bit but then if you think about it in the whole saga Han, Obi Wan, Mace Windu, Yoda, Qui Gonn etc all bagged it on screen so my boys are used to loads of their hero's not making it.
Too early to say where it sits in the Star Wars echelon.....but did anyone NOT think it was heaps better than TFA?
Hey, Yoda died of old age.
I guess the difference here is that we just got introduced to the characters and then they bought it. Another film or 2 would have been nice. Every single one of them got wasted as well. Even Green Akbar apparently.
IMHO this film highlighted just how shit and unoriginal TFA was.
Now now...Star Wars, like sex and pizza, is never 'shit'...some is better than others that's all.
It's probably a toss up between TFA and TPM for 'worst' Star Wars movies in my opinion but in saying that they're both still fucken decent which sums up the series as a whole. In no way do they slum it with the worst of Indiana Jones, Jaws, Alien etc.
My apologies. Shit is relative in the SW universe. As ordinary as the prequels were (not 3, that was cool), they were at least original. TFA was a soft reboot.
Only if you focus on the Starkiller Base, otherwise it's not that similar. The purpose of TFA was to draw a line under the prequels, set up the new characters and the mysteries of the new story.
For example, where is Luke and why has he vanished. Who is Rey. Who are the Knights of Ren and Snoke? None of which are anything to do with A New Hope.
I think of it as more of a reintroduction that a soft reboot. All that goes out the window if they just remake Empire Strikes Back for Episode 8, but I'm hopeful that they have laid the foundation they need to tell new stories now.
There might be new elements and characters but the plot and important features of the film were a direct ripoff of E4. Everything from hiding plans in droid, to race against time to protect droid from baddies, desert rat who becomes a Jedi, and of course the much much bigger Death Star etc etc.
And as I mentioned R1, RoTJ and TFA all reuse elements of past Star Wars films.
The main plot arc of TFA was not StarKiller base, it was finding Luke. The base was just the excuse for the battle, and had more creativity than Return of the Jedi which was literally just another Death Star.
It's a weird thing to complain about now that there have been four Star Wars movies ending with battles over planet killing bases. It's just the excuse for the Star Wars bit in the title. Five if you include the Death Star skeleton shown at the end of Sith.
Of course they reuse elements. It's the same story. But TFA just took the plot of ANH and changed it up a bit. Even casual fans have commented on how similar they are. ROTJ won't win prizes for originality by having another Death Star but other than that it was much different to the first 2. In fact there was a shit ton of new stuff in Jedi and it was nothing like a retelling of ANH.
And there was plenty of new stuff in TFAs as well.
Yes, interspersed with basically the entire plot and main features of ANH, right down to the bar scene.
I have heard the reasoning behind this but I don't think it was necessary to steal so much to set the stage for VIII. In terms of creativity and plot, it was easily the worst SW. Actually probably on par with the Trade Federation crap.
You can keep saying that, but it doesn't make it true. Some elements were similar, but there were more differences. I can list more differences that similarities.
Like I said above, significantly more callbacks in R1, to the degree they used footage from ANH.
Both are good films, regardless. Way better than the prequels.
And your constant denials don't make you right either. I'm far from alone in stating that VII is a soft or safe reboot. Both hardcore and casual fans have said that. Simply using the term "reintroduction" doesn't change that fact.
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Using footage from a past film is not the same as copy-pasting the plot. Rogue 1 has to tie into 4. It's odd you're even using that as an argument.
