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@canefan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 if Snoke is Tarkin where was he hiding for eps 5 and 6? I agree though, Snoke doesn't look real, could be a wizard of Oz situation
Well yeah but Snoke said he witnessed the rise and fall of the Empire. He must fit in somewhere....
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This seems a fair comparison, and saves me from doing it;
'Star Wars' vs. 'The Force Awakens': The ultimate comparison
Is Episode VII a remake of Episode IV? Only one way to find out for sure: Obsessively deconstruct both, minute by minute.
There's less than you think. I've watched the movie far to many times to admit, so maybe that's dampened the effect of the bits that are echos. It certainly has made me appreciate what they have set in motion.
I'm just pleased we have good Star Wars movies again.
And I think there is a good movie somewhere in the first three episodes, just waiting for a good editor to slice it all together.
Wish Disney would make all the footage available for someone to do an else-world version and re-con it as the real version.
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@canefan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 if Snoke is Tarkin where was he hiding for eps 5 and 6? I agree though, Snoke doesn't look real, could be a wizard of Oz situation
I hope it's not, I'd kind of like it to be Darth Plageius. Maybe it would be better to be someone new.
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@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@canefan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 if Snoke is Tarkin where was he hiding for eps 5 and 6? I agree though, Snoke doesn't look real, could be a wizard of Oz situation
I hope it's not, I'd kind of like it to be Darth Plageius. Maybe it would be better to be someone new.
Yeah he's an intriguing character. My boys always ask about him in great detail......what he looks like....his powers etc......is he alive?
'Fucked if I know....' is about the best reply I can muster.
As I alluded to before I really liked Tarkin as a character. Some mystical force stuff would only add to his appeal.
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@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
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@canefan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 if Snoke is Tarkin where was he hiding for eps 5 and 6? I agree though, Snoke doesn't look real, could be a wizard of Oz situation
I hope it's not, I'd kind of like it to be Darth Plageius. Maybe it would be better to be someone new.
Yeah he's an intriguing character. My boys always ask about him in great detail......what he looks like....his powers etc......is he alive?
'Fucked if I know....' is about the best reply I can muster.
As I alluded to before I really liked Tarkin as a character. Some mystical force stuff would only add to his appeal.
I thought it was just really poor CGI. Sort of a poor man's version of this guy
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@canefan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 Tarkin was not force sensitive, nothing in SW Rebels I saw of him suggested otherwise. He was eagerly waiting the final destruction of Yavin when he got his ass vaporized
Yeah I agree the theory is extremely unlikely, we know Vader escaped the Death Star destruction but no one else looked likely to have done so.
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@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
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@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Took my boys on Saturday and it takes a lot to keep a six and right year old glued to a screen for more than a coupl of hours. This flick accomplished that and then some. Future mrs MN5 said it was the best Star Wars she's seen and I've made her sit through them all. I think that in itself speaks volumes although naturally there are a few esteemed 'critics' who marked it low because there's obviously not enough Reasons and Rattues in the world....
Fucken awesome on second viewing as expected....
Did admiral akbars fish faced cousin die at the end when the shop was boarded? I assume he did.
Also @Rancid-Schnitzel it was definitely a victory....they got the plans even though so many of them died.
@mariner4life did your boys love it as much as mine?
I find the image of Akbar's green relative tied to a chair getting the brass nuckle treatment to be absolutely hilarious.
In terms of objectives, I guess it was a win but only if those plans get to their target. They were far from safe at the start of ANH.
My kids enjoyed the film, but all the main characters getting killed is pretty tough on them. I can't recall a film from my childhood when every single one of the heroes dies.
I think I mentioned it above, but how funny was the death of the pie-eating Red 5? Fark that had me in tears.
The death thing concerned me a bit but then if you think about it in the whole saga Han, Obi Wan, Mace Windu, Yoda, Qui Gonn etc all bagged it on screen so my boys are used to loads of their hero's not making it.
Too early to say where it sits in the Star Wars echelon.....but did anyone NOT think it was heaps better than TFA?
Hey, Yoda died of old age.
I guess the difference here is that we just got introduced to the characters and then they bought it. Another film or 2 would have been nice. Every single one of them got wasted as well. Even Green Akbar apparently.
IMHO this film highlighted just how shit and unoriginal TFA was.
Now now...Star Wars, like sex and pizza, is never 'shit'...some is better than others that's all.
It's probably a toss up between TFA and TPM for 'worst' Star Wars movies in my opinion but in saying that they're both still fucken decent which sums up the series as a whole. In no way do they slum it with the worst of Indiana Jones, Jaws, Alien etc.
My apologies. Shit is relative in the SW universe. As ordinary as the prequels were (not 3, that was cool), they were at least original. TFA was a soft reboot.
Only if you focus on the Starkiller Base, otherwise it's not that similar. The purpose of TFA was to draw a line under the prequels, set up the new characters and the mysteries of the new story.
For example, where is Luke and why has he vanished. Who is Rey. Who are the Knights of Ren and Snoke? None of which are anything to do with A New Hope.
I think of it as more of a reintroduction that a soft reboot. All that goes out the window if they just remake Empire Strikes Back for Episode 8, but I'm hopeful that they have laid the foundation they need to tell new stories now.
There might be new elements and characters but the plot and important features of the film were a direct ripoff of E4. Everything from hiding plans in droid, to race against time to protect droid from baddies, desert rat who becomes a Jedi, and of course the much much bigger Death Star etc etc.
And as I mentioned R1, RoTJ and TFA all reuse elements of past Star Wars films.
The main plot arc of TFA was not StarKiller base, it was finding Luke. The base was just the excuse for the battle, and had more creativity than Return of the Jedi which was literally just another Death Star.
It's a weird thing to complain about now that there have been four Star Wars movies ending with battles over planet killing bases. It's just the excuse for the Star Wars bit in the title. Five if you include the Death Star skeleton shown at the end of Sith.
Of course they reuse elements. It's the same story. But TFA just took the plot of ANH and changed it up a bit. Even casual fans have commented on how similar they are. ROTJ won't win prizes for originality by having another Death Star but other than that it was much different to the first 2. In fact there was a shit ton of new stuff in Jedi and it was nothing like a retelling of ANH.
And there was plenty of new stuff in TFAs as well.
Yes, interspersed with basically the entire plot and main features of ANH, right down to the bar scene.
I have heard the reasoning behind this but I don't think it was necessary to steal so much to set the stage for VIII. In terms of creativity and plot, it was easily the worst SW. Actually probably on par with the Trade Federation crap.
You can keep saying that, but it doesn't make it true. Some elements were similar, but there were more differences. I can list more differences that similarities.
Like I said above, significantly more callbacks in R1, to the degree they used footage from ANH.
Both are good films, regardless. Way better than the prequels.
And your constant denials don't make you right either. I'm far from alone in stating that VII is a soft or safe reboot. Both hardcore and casual fans have said that. Simply using the term "reintroduction" doesn't change that fact.
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They used fleeing glimpses of old footage here and there and it worked brilliantly I thought. It was cool to see all the heroes of the first Death Star battle.
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@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
They used fleeing glimpses of old footage here and there and it worked brilliantly I thought. It was cool to see all the heroes of the first Death Star battle.
It tied the films together nicely. Peter Cushing and Carrie Fisher looked a bit puffy and bloated though
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@canefan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
They used fleeing glimpses of old footage here and there and it worked brilliantly I thought. It was cool to see all the heroes of the first Death Star battle.
It tied the films together nicely. Peter Cushing and Carrie Fisher looked a bit puffy and bloated though
Cushing looked a bit wooden when he was up close but he always had to have a big part in this movie so not sure what else they coulda done.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
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@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Took my boys on Saturday and it takes a lot to keep a six and right year old glued to a screen for more than a coupl of hours. This flick accomplished that and then some. Future mrs MN5 said it was the best Star Wars she's seen and I've made her sit through them all. I think that in itself speaks volumes although naturally there are a few esteemed 'critics' who marked it low because there's obviously not enough Reasons and Rattues in the world....
Fucken awesome on second viewing as expected....
Did admiral akbars fish faced cousin die at the end when the shop was boarded? I assume he did.
Also @Rancid-Schnitzel it was definitely a victory....they got the plans even though so many of them died.
@mariner4life did your boys love it as much as mine?
I find the image of Akbar's green relative tied to a chair getting the brass nuckle treatment to be absolutely hilarious.
In terms of objectives, I guess it was a win but only if those plans get to their target. They were far from safe at the start of ANH.
My kids enjoyed the film, but all the main characters getting killed is pretty tough on them. I can't recall a film from my childhood when every single one of the heroes dies.
I think I mentioned it above, but how funny was the death of the pie-eating Red 5? Fark that had me in tears.
The death thing concerned me a bit but then if you think about it in the whole saga Han, Obi Wan, Mace Windu, Yoda, Qui Gonn etc all bagged it on screen so my boys are used to loads of their hero's not making it.
Too early to say where it sits in the Star Wars echelon.....but did anyone NOT think it was heaps better than TFA?
Hey, Yoda died of old age.
I guess the difference here is that we just got introduced to the characters and then they bought it. Another film or 2 would have been nice. Every single one of them got wasted as well. Even Green Akbar apparently.
IMHO this film highlighted just how shit and unoriginal TFA was.
Now now...Star Wars, like sex and pizza, is never 'shit'...some is better than others that's all.
It's probably a toss up between TFA and TPM for 'worst' Star Wars movies in my opinion but in saying that they're both still fucken decent which sums up the series as a whole. In no way do they slum it with the worst of Indiana Jones, Jaws, Alien etc.
My apologies. Shit is relative in the SW universe. As ordinary as the prequels were (not 3, that was cool), they were at least original. TFA was a soft reboot.
Only if you focus on the Starkiller Base, otherwise it's not that similar. The purpose of TFA was to draw a line under the prequels, set up the new characters and the mysteries of the new story.
For example, where is Luke and why has he vanished. Who is Rey. Who are the Knights of Ren and Snoke? None of which are anything to do with A New Hope.
I think of it as more of a reintroduction that a soft reboot. All that goes out the window if they just remake Empire Strikes Back for Episode 8, but I'm hopeful that they have laid the foundation they need to tell new stories now.
There might be new elements and characters but the plot and important features of the film were a direct ripoff of E4. Everything from hiding plans in droid, to race against time to protect droid from baddies, desert rat who becomes a Jedi, and of course the much much bigger Death Star etc etc.
And as I mentioned R1, RoTJ and TFA all reuse elements of past Star Wars films.
The main plot arc of TFA was not StarKiller base, it was finding Luke. The base was just the excuse for the battle, and had more creativity than Return of the Jedi which was literally just another Death Star.
It's a weird thing to complain about now that there have been four Star Wars movies ending with battles over planet killing bases. It's just the excuse for the Star Wars bit in the title. Five if you include the Death Star skeleton shown at the end of Sith.
Of course they reuse elements. It's the same story. But TFA just took the plot of ANH and changed it up a bit. Even casual fans have commented on how similar they are. ROTJ won't win prizes for originality by having another Death Star but other than that it was much different to the first 2. In fact there was a shit ton of new stuff in Jedi and it was nothing like a retelling of ANH.
And there was plenty of new stuff in TFAs as well.
Yes, interspersed with basically the entire plot and main features of ANH, right down to the bar scene.
I have heard the reasoning behind this but I don't think it was necessary to steal so much to set the stage for VIII. In terms of creativity and plot, it was easily the worst SW. Actually probably on par with the Trade Federation crap.
You can keep saying that, but it doesn't make it true. Some elements were similar, but there were more differences. I can list more differences that similarities.
Like I said above, significantly more callbacks in R1, to the degree they used footage from ANH.
Both are good films, regardless. Way better than the prequels.
And your constant denials don't make you right either. I'm far from alone in stating that VII is a soft or safe reboot. Both hardcore and casual fans have said that. Simply using the term "reintroduction" doesn't change that fact.
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Using footage from a past film is not the same as copy-pasting the plot. Rogue 1 has to tie into 4. It's odd you're even using that as an argument.And yet when you actually compare the films, like in the link I provided above, there a fewer similarities than you think.
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@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Took my boys on Saturday and it takes a lot to keep a six and right year old glued to a screen for more than a coupl of hours. This flick accomplished that and then some. Future mrs MN5 said it was the best Star Wars she's seen and I've made her sit through them all. I think that in itself speaks volumes although naturally there are a few esteemed 'critics' who marked it low because there's obviously not enough Reasons and Rattues in the world....
Fucken awesome on second viewing as expected....
Did admiral akbars fish faced cousin die at the end when the shop was boarded? I assume he did.
Also @Rancid-Schnitzel it was definitely a victory....they got the plans even though so many of them died.
@mariner4life did your boys love it as much as mine?
I find the image of Akbar's green relative tied to a chair getting the brass nuckle treatment to be absolutely hilarious.
In terms of objectives, I guess it was a win but only if those plans get to their target. They were far from safe at the start of ANH.
My kids enjoyed the film, but all the main characters getting killed is pretty tough on them. I can't recall a film from my childhood when every single one of the heroes dies.
I think I mentioned it above, but how funny was the death of the pie-eating Red 5? Fark that had me in tears.
The death thing concerned me a bit but then if you think about it in the whole saga Han, Obi Wan, Mace Windu, Yoda, Qui Gonn etc all bagged it on screen so my boys are used to loads of their hero's not making it.
Too early to say where it sits in the Star Wars echelon.....but did anyone NOT think it was heaps better than TFA?
Hey, Yoda died of old age.
I guess the difference here is that we just got introduced to the characters and then they bought it. Another film or 2 would have been nice. Every single one of them got wasted as well. Even Green Akbar apparently.
IMHO this film highlighted just how shit and unoriginal TFA was.
Now now...Star Wars, like sex and pizza, is never 'shit'...some is better than others that's all.
It's probably a toss up between TFA and TPM for 'worst' Star Wars movies in my opinion but in saying that they're both still fucken decent which sums up the series as a whole. In no way do they slum it with the worst of Indiana Jones, Jaws, Alien etc.
My apologies. Shit is relative in the SW universe. As ordinary as the prequels were (not 3, that was cool), they were at least original. TFA was a soft reboot.
Only if you focus on the Starkiller Base, otherwise it's not that similar. The purpose of TFA was to draw a line under the prequels, set up the new characters and the mysteries of the new story.
For example, where is Luke and why has he vanished. Who is Rey. Who are the Knights of Ren and Snoke? None of which are anything to do with A New Hope.
I think of it as more of a reintroduction that a soft reboot. All that goes out the window if they just remake Empire Strikes Back for Episode 8, but I'm hopeful that they have laid the foundation they need to tell new stories now.
There might be new elements and characters but the plot and important features of the film were a direct ripoff of E4. Everything from hiding plans in droid, to race against time to protect droid from baddies, desert rat who becomes a Jedi, and of course the much much bigger Death Star etc etc.
And as I mentioned R1, RoTJ and TFA all reuse elements of past Star Wars films.
The main plot arc of TFA was not StarKiller base, it was finding Luke. The base was just the excuse for the battle, and had more creativity than Return of the Jedi which was literally just another Death Star.
It's a weird thing to complain about now that there have been four Star Wars movies ending with battles over planet killing bases. It's just the excuse for the Star Wars bit in the title. Five if you include the Death Star skeleton shown at the end of Sith.
Of course they reuse elements. It's the same story. But TFA just took the plot of ANH and changed it up a bit. Even casual fans have commented on how similar they are. ROTJ won't win prizes for originality by having another Death Star but other than that it was much different to the first 2. In fact there was a shit ton of new stuff in Jedi and it was nothing like a retelling of ANH.
And there was plenty of new stuff in TFAs as well.
Yes, interspersed with basically the entire plot and main features of ANH, right down to the bar scene.
I have heard the reasoning behind this but I don't think it was necessary to steal so much to set the stage for VIII. In terms of creativity and plot, it was easily the worst SW. Actually probably on par with the Trade Federation crap.
You can keep saying that, but it doesn't make it true. Some elements were similar, but there were more differences. I can list more differences that similarities.
Like I said above, significantly more callbacks in R1, to the degree they used footage from ANH.
Both are good films, regardless. Way better than the prequels.
And your constant denials don't make you right either. I'm far from alone in stating that VII is a soft or safe reboot. Both hardcore and casual fans have said that. Simply using the term "reintroduction" doesn't change that fact.
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Using footage from a past film is not the same as copy-pasting the plot. Rogue 1 has to tie into 4. It's odd you're even using that as an argument.And yet when you actually compare the films, like in the link I provided above, there a fewer similarities than you think.
I've just got some popcorn and will sit and wait to see what @Kirwan has to say.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
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Took my boys on Saturday and it takes a lot to keep a six and right year old glued to a screen for more than a coupl of hours. This flick accomplished that and then some. Future mrs MN5 said it was the best Star Wars she's seen and I've made her sit through them all. I think that in itself speaks volumes although naturally there are a few esteemed 'critics' who marked it low because there's obviously not enough Reasons and Rattues in the world....
Fucken awesome on second viewing as expected....
Did admiral akbars fish faced cousin die at the end when the shop was boarded? I assume he did.
Also @Rancid-Schnitzel it was definitely a victory....they got the plans even though so many of them died.
@mariner4life did your boys love it as much as mine?
I find the image of Akbar's green relative tied to a chair getting the brass nuckle treatment to be absolutely hilarious.
In terms of objectives, I guess it was a win but only if those plans get to their target. They were far from safe at the start of ANH.
My kids enjoyed the film, but all the main characters getting killed is pretty tough on them. I can't recall a film from my childhood when every single one of the heroes dies.
I think I mentioned it above, but how funny was the death of the pie-eating Red 5? Fark that had me in tears.
The death thing concerned me a bit but then if you think about it in the whole saga Han, Obi Wan, Mace Windu, Yoda, Qui Gonn etc all bagged it on screen so my boys are used to loads of their hero's not making it.
Too early to say where it sits in the Star Wars echelon.....but did anyone NOT think it was heaps better than TFA?
Hey, Yoda died of old age.
I guess the difference here is that we just got introduced to the characters and then they bought it. Another film or 2 would have been nice. Every single one of them got wasted as well. Even Green Akbar apparently.
IMHO this film highlighted just how shit and unoriginal TFA was.
Now now...Star Wars, like sex and pizza, is never 'shit'...some is better than others that's all.
It's probably a toss up between TFA and TPM for 'worst' Star Wars movies in my opinion but in saying that they're both still fucken decent which sums up the series as a whole. In no way do they slum it with the worst of Indiana Jones, Jaws, Alien etc.
My apologies. Shit is relative in the SW universe. As ordinary as the prequels were (not 3, that was cool), they were at least original. TFA was a soft reboot.
Only if you focus on the Starkiller Base, otherwise it's not that similar. The purpose of TFA was to draw a line under the prequels, set up the new characters and the mysteries of the new story.
For example, where is Luke and why has he vanished. Who is Rey. Who are the Knights of Ren and Snoke? None of which are anything to do with A New Hope.
I think of it as more of a reintroduction that a soft reboot. All that goes out the window if they just remake Empire Strikes Back for Episode 8, but I'm hopeful that they have laid the foundation they need to tell new stories now.
There might be new elements and characters but the plot and important features of the film were a direct ripoff of E4. Everything from hiding plans in droid, to race against time to protect droid from baddies, desert rat who becomes a Jedi, and of course the much much bigger Death Star etc etc.
And as I mentioned R1, RoTJ and TFA all reuse elements of past Star Wars films.
The main plot arc of TFA was not StarKiller base, it was finding Luke. The base was just the excuse for the battle, and had more creativity than Return of the Jedi which was literally just another Death Star.
It's a weird thing to complain about now that there have been four Star Wars movies ending with battles over planet killing bases. It's just the excuse for the Star Wars bit in the title. Five if you include the Death Star skeleton shown at the end of Sith.
Of course they reuse elements. It's the same story. But TFA just took the plot of ANH and changed it up a bit. Even casual fans have commented on how similar they are. ROTJ won't win prizes for originality by having another Death Star but other than that it was much different to the first 2. In fact there was a shit ton of new stuff in Jedi and it was nothing like a retelling of ANH.
And there was plenty of new stuff in TFAs as well.
Yes, interspersed with basically the entire plot and main features of ANH, right down to the bar scene.
I have heard the reasoning behind this but I don't think it was necessary to steal so much to set the stage for VIII. In terms of creativity and plot, it was easily the worst SW. Actually probably on par with the Trade Federation crap.
You can keep saying that, but it doesn't make it true. Some elements were similar, but there were more differences. I can list more differences that similarities.
Like I said above, significantly more callbacks in R1, to the degree they used footage from ANH.
Both are good films, regardless. Way better than the prequels.
And your constant denials don't make you right either. I'm far from alone in stating that VII is a soft or safe reboot. Both hardcore and casual fans have said that. Simply using the term "reintroduction" doesn't change that fact.
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Using footage from a past film is not the same as copy-pasting the plot. Rogue 1 has to tie into 4. It's odd you're even using that as an argument.And yet when you actually compare the films, like in the link I provided above, there a fewer similarities than you think.
I've just got some popcorn and will sit and wait to see what @Kirwan has to say.
Have seen that before. Even if you take everything they provide as similar (lots of their comparisons don't hold up) there's still 2 hours of the film that's nothing to do with ANH.
Read the mashable link I posted above, it covers these callbacks pretty well and shows just how different the film is.
A flash here or there, basically fan service, doesn't make it a remake.
The main plot of ANH was destroying the Death Star, the main plot of AFA was finding Luke Skywalker.
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Took my boys on Saturday and it takes a lot to keep a six and right year old glued to a screen for more than a coupl of hours. This flick accomplished that and then some. Future mrs MN5 said it was the best Star Wars she's seen and I've made her sit through them all. I think that in itself speaks volumes although naturally there are a few esteemed 'critics' who marked it low because there's obviously not enough Reasons and Rattues in the world....
Fucken awesome on second viewing as expected....
Did admiral akbars fish faced cousin die at the end when the shop was boarded? I assume he did.
Also @Rancid-Schnitzel it was definitely a victory....they got the plans even though so many of them died.
@mariner4life did your boys love it as much as mine?
I find the image of Akbar's green relative tied to a chair getting the brass nuckle treatment to be absolutely hilarious.
In terms of objectives, I guess it was a win but only if those plans get to their target. They were far from safe at the start of ANH.
My kids enjoyed the film, but all the main characters getting killed is pretty tough on them. I can't recall a film from my childhood when every single one of the heroes dies.
I think I mentioned it above, but how funny was the death of the pie-eating Red 5? Fark that had me in tears.
The death thing concerned me a bit but then if you think about it in the whole saga Han, Obi Wan, Mace Windu, Yoda, Qui Gonn etc all bagged it on screen so my boys are used to loads of their hero's not making it.
Too early to say where it sits in the Star Wars echelon.....but did anyone NOT think it was heaps better than TFA?
Hey, Yoda died of old age.
I guess the difference here is that we just got introduced to the characters and then they bought it. Another film or 2 would have been nice. Every single one of them got wasted as well. Even Green Akbar apparently.
IMHO this film highlighted just how shit and unoriginal TFA was.
Now now...Star Wars, like sex and pizza, is never 'shit'...some is better than others that's all.
It's probably a toss up between TFA and TPM for 'worst' Star Wars movies in my opinion but in saying that they're both still fucken decent which sums up the series as a whole. In no way do they slum it with the worst of Indiana Jones, Jaws, Alien etc.
My apologies. Shit is relative in the SW universe. As ordinary as the prequels were (not 3, that was cool), they were at least original. TFA was a soft reboot.
Only if you focus on the Starkiller Base, otherwise it's not that similar. The purpose of TFA was to draw a line under the prequels, set up the new characters and the mysteries of the new story.
For example, where is Luke and why has he vanished. Who is Rey. Who are the Knights of Ren and Snoke? None of which are anything to do with A New Hope.
I think of it as more of a reintroduction that a soft reboot. All that goes out the window if they just remake Empire Strikes Back for Episode 8, but I'm hopeful that they have laid the foundation they need to tell new stories now.
There might be new elements and characters but the plot and important features of the film were a direct ripoff of E4. Everything from hiding plans in droid, to race against time to protect droid from baddies, desert rat who becomes a Jedi, and of course the much much bigger Death Star etc etc.
And as I mentioned R1, RoTJ and TFA all reuse elements of past Star Wars films.
The main plot arc of TFA was not StarKiller base, it was finding Luke. The base was just the excuse for the battle, and had more creativity than Return of the Jedi which was literally just another Death Star.
It's a weird thing to complain about now that there have been four Star Wars movies ending with battles over planet killing bases. It's just the excuse for the Star Wars bit in the title. Five if you include the Death Star skeleton shown at the end of Sith.
Of course they reuse elements. It's the same story. But TFA just took the plot of ANH and changed it up a bit. Even casual fans have commented on how similar they are. ROTJ won't win prizes for originality by having another Death Star but other than that it was much different to the first 2. In fact there was a shit ton of new stuff in Jedi and it was nothing like a retelling of ANH.
And there was plenty of new stuff in TFAs as well.
Yes, interspersed with basically the entire plot and main features of ANH, right down to the bar scene.
I have heard the reasoning behind this but I don't think it was necessary to steal so much to set the stage for VIII. In terms of creativity and plot, it was easily the worst SW. Actually probably on par with the Trade Federation crap.
You can keep saying that, but it doesn't make it true. Some elements were similar, but there were more differences. I can list more differences that similarities.
Like I said above, significantly more callbacks in R1, to the degree they used footage from ANH.
Both are good films, regardless. Way better than the prequels.
And your constant denials don't make you right either. I'm far from alone in stating that VII is a soft or safe reboot. Both hardcore and casual fans have said that. Simply using the term "reintroduction" doesn't change that fact.
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Using footage from a past film is not the same as copy-pasting the plot. Rogue 1 has to tie into 4. It's odd you're even using that as an argument.And yet when you actually compare the films, like in the link I provided above, there a fewer similarities than you think.
I've just got some popcorn and will sit and wait to see what @Kirwan has to say.
Have seen that before. Even if you take everything they provide as similar (lots of their comparisons don't hold up) there's still 2 hours of the film that's nothing to do with ANH.
Read the mashable link I posted above, it covers these callbacks pretty well and shows just how different the film is.
A flash here or there, basically fan service, doesn't make it a remake.
The main plot of ANH was destroying the Death Star, the main plot of AFA was finding Luke Skywalker.
I did read that and I never called it a remake but on first viewing especially I noticed a whole lot of similarities. The whole 'blow up the super laser' thing especially.
I'd still rate it 7th in total with only phantom menace being below it ( again, I love Star Wars so it's all relative ). That being said I hope 8 is significantly better though.
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@MN5 I thought a bunch of the ones in the video were reaching TBH (and many were common of lots of the series).
But who cares if it was virtually a remake, it was a good Star Wars film, unlike those prequels you're clearly in the tank for ;). And for me, TFA was a needed reboot of the series after the prequels.
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