B&I Lions 2017

MiketheSnow

@Bones said in B&I Lions 2017:

@MiketheSnow No love for the Scottish halves (if not injured)?

Laidlaw mid-week scrum half and quite possibly captain if fit.

Crucial

I like the idea of the Lions using Ford at 10. We could target his piss poor tackling and he wouldn't get away with having others cover for him like he does against the unimaginative rivals in the 6N
The other thing that was very obvious over the weekend is the England are the only team up there that play anywhere near the pace that we are used to. The contrast going from watching Super rugby (in the rain) to Wales/Ireland was hard to take. It was like they were playing with a medicine ball in a field of treacle.
This is going to cause issues for Gatland as he won't stack his team with the English and every non England player he brings in means he has to adjust the gameplan toward a hybrid of a power game and speed.

Kruse

@Crucial Yeah - even that Blues-Highlanders game - I watched it after all the 6N games, and 15 minutes in I felt like I'd watched more rugby in 15 minutes than in the entire Wales-Ireland game. Which was just well, considering the rest of the game.

mooshld

@MiketheSnow said in B&I Lions 2017:

If the backs were being picked this morning

Hogg (Scotland)
North (Wales)
Joseph (England)
Farrell (England)
L Williams (Wales)
Ford (England)
Webb (Wales)

Subs
Youngs (England), Sexton (Ireland), Halfpenny (Wales)

I would take Biggar over Sexton, less injury prone more of a team player

MiketheSnow

@mooshld

We'll see after the last 6N round.

And still a lot of rugby to be played before the team is selected.

gollum

I'd be amazed if (fitness permitting) they didn't start an all Irish 9-10 combo. And then without doubt need to replace at least Sexton game 2 after he goes home broken.

Interesting bit for me on the weekend was the way Englands second string locks shit all over the Gray brothers. Also Itoje looked much more like a 6. Tho' its sort of hard to tell as him & Lawes are basically combining to both play as a 5.5.

MiketheSnow

@gollum

The biggest challenge for Gatland is does he pick tried & tested combos or does he put the best 15 in-form athletes on the park.

Crucial

@MiketheSnow said in B&I Lions 2017:

@gollum

The biggest challenge for Gatland is does he pick tried & tested combos or does he put the best 15 in-form athletes on the park.

Plus planning how to deal with the two games a week thing. As soon as he splits the squad the combos mix up even more so possibly the second best player in a position may not get to train much with the test squad.

Catogrande

@MiketheSnow said in B&I Lions 2017:

If the backs were being picked this morning

Hogg (Scotland)
North (Wales)
Joseph (England)
Farrell (England)
L Williams (Wales)
Ford (England)
Webb (Wales)

Subs
Youngs (England), Sexton (Ireland), Halfpenny (Wales)

If you have both Ford and Farrell playing, then you don't need Sexton there. Halfpenny to cover wing and FB plus place kicking. Leaves room for some centre cover - though who that is I'm not entirely sure. Henshaw perhaps with strict instructions to keep out of rolling mauls, Davies, Jones (the Scottish one)?

Crucial

Yes please sir, can we have some of that Scottish midfield defence please?

MiketheSnow

@Catogrande

Fair call.

Daly?

Catogrande

@MiketheSnow Fair call. Back at you!

MN5

@MiketheSnow said in B&I Lions 2017:

If the backs were being picked this morning

Hogg (Scotland)
North (Wales)
Joseph (England)
Farrell (England)
L Williams (Wales)
Ford (England)
Webb (Wales)

Subs
Youngs (England), Sexton (Ireland), Halfpenny (Wales)

No love for superstar Tim Visser?

Catogrande

@MN5 I don't think he's done enough, consistently to allay the accusations of being a flat track bully. He's been round for some time now and has shown flashes of what he could do but not enough against quality opposition.

Wing is also a highly competitive area. In no particular order:-

Zebo
Trimble
Bowe (although injured now)
Maitland
North
Williams/Halfpenny (both could be considered for FB)
Watson
Daly
Nowell
May

Somewhere below that is where Visser is at present. Below that it goes like this:

My Grandma
Cuthbert

MN5

@Catogrande said in B&I Lions 2017:

@MN5 I don't think he's done enough, consistently to allay the accusations of being a flat track bully. He's been round for some time now and has shown flashes of what he could do but not enough against quality opposition.

Wing is also a highly competitive area. In no particular order:-

Zebo
Trimble
Bowe (although injured now)
Maitland
North
Williams/Halfpenny (both could be considered for FB)
Watson
Daly
Nowell
May

Somewhere below that is where Visser is at present. Below that it goes like this:

My Grandma
Cuthbert

Well yeah I'm holding out hope as he is big and fast just like Gatland likes and better than Cuthbert ( and scored twice vs the ABs on Murrayfield debut )

You forgot Seymour who is a real chance.

#clutchingatscottishstraws

MiketheSnow

@MN5 said in B&I Lions 2017:

@MiketheSnow said in B&I Lions 2017:

If the backs were being picked this morning

Hogg (Scotland)
North (Wales)
Joseph (England)
Farrell (England)
L Williams (Wales)
Ford (England)
Webb (Wales)

Subs
Youngs (England), Sexton (Ireland), Halfpenny (Wales)

No love for superstar Tim Visser?

Ha ha

MiketheSnow

@Catogrande said in B&I Lions 2017:

@MN5 I don't think he's done enough, consistently to allay the accusations of being a flat track bully. He's been round for some time now and has shown flashes of what he could do but not enough against quality opposition.

Wing is also a highly competitive area. In no particular order:-

Zebo
Trimble
Bowe (although injured now)
Maitland
North
Williams/Halfpenny (both could be considered for FB)
Watson
Daly
Nowell
May

Somewhere below that is where Visser is at present. Below that it goes like this:

My Grandma
Cuthbert

Comedy Gold

Catogrande

@MiketheSnow And I forgot to mention that my Grandma is dead.

And never played the game anyway.

Derm McCrum

@Catogrande said in B&I Lions 2017:

@MiketheSnow And I forgot to mention that my Grandma is dead.

And never played the game anyway.

Sounds like Cuthbert has a chance then...

Catogrande

@Pot-Hale Two chances in fact.

Slim.

Fat.

Make that three chances - Gatland's wild card pick

The Silver Fern

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