Parker v ??
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Interesting stuff - sounds as though Dean's side of things have been progressing more smoothly. Higgins had the Parker fight and the 10's, both ended up a bit limp. Even though they had the rug pulled out from under them with the Fury fight.
I think Arum holds the rights to Joe in the US - Higgins seems focused on the UK scene as that's where the majority of the action is.
Feel for Joe, maybe he needs a full change in management and coaching? Certainly doesn't seem to be learning any new defensive skills, and eventually that will catch up with him.
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What the last fight shows, more than anything, is that Barry has not progressed as a trainer since the Tua title shot.
Yes Parker lacked the power to KO the big fella but if you look closely his punches were being caught on the glove. It was good defense against heavy punches. I have no doubt if he'd connected flush with just one of those power punches we'd be talking a little more positively about Parker.
It was a stupid idea to use this guy in the fight having been in there with Parker so recently. But the major problem and where Barry comes in is that he did not have a plan b.
Just like when Tua got jabbed out of the building by Lewis. There was no contingency. The good trainers are in their element when a fight doesn't go according to plan. They see another opening for their fighter to attack. With Barry he either sees this opening but lacks the respect of his fighter to adopt a new fight plan mid fight or most likely does not see the opening.
Should have been raining in the kidney punches every single time he found himself being held by the back of the head. If he'd it targeted that area it would have been a different fight. Conaju would have avoided the clinch and holding the head. All Barry had to say was attack the body. To me from what I heard from the corner and post fight Barry didn't have a clue how to change shit up. Also the same odd defensive frailties are still there.
Parker needs a new trainer. Barry is good at spotting talent but I don't think he's good at getting the best out of his fighters.
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Higgins seems like such a twat.
@taniwharugby He looks like a fish. Can't say I'm much of a fan of Lonergan either.
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What the last fight shows, more than anything, is that Barry has not progressed as a trainer since the Tua title shot.
Yes Parker lacked the power to KO the big fella but if you look closely his punches were being caught on the glove. It was good defense against heavy punches. I have no doubt if he'd connected flush with just one of those power punches we'd be talking a little more positively about Parker.
It was a stupid idea to use this guy in the fight having been in there with Parker so recently. But the major problem and where Barry comes in is that he did not have a plan b.
Just like when Tua got jabbed out of the building by Lewis. There was no contingency. The good trainers are in their element when a fight doesn't go according to plan. They see another opening for their fighter to attack. With Barry he either sees this opening but lacks the respect of his fighter to adopt a new fight plan mid fight or most likely does not see the opening.
Should have been raining in the kidney punches every single time he found himself being held by the back of the head. If he'd it targeted that area it would have been a different fight. Conaju would have avoided the clinch and holding the head. All Barry had to say was attack the body. To me from what I heard from the corner and post fight Barry didn't have a clue how to change shit up. Also the same odd defensive frailties are still there.
Parker needs a new trainer. Barry is good at spotting talent but I don't think he's good at getting the best out of his fighters.
@raznomore the problem for joe now, in boxing circles around the world , people are becoming aware who he is , but they are mocking him a bit , they arent taking him too seriously.
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@raznomore the problem for joe now, in boxing circles around the world , people are becoming aware who he is , but they are mocking him a bit , they arent taking him too seriously.
@kiwiinmelb said in Parker v ??:
@raznomore the problem for joe now, in boxing circles around the world , people are becoming aware who he is , but they are mocking him a bit , they arent taking him too seriously.
Which means they need to put their money where their mouths are (on both sides)
It does appear that JP has to choose which direction he will now go. If he goes to the US then Arum will likely set him up against Wilder. That could be good for JPs development because Arum may insist on some fresh training as well.
The other path is obviously to the UK with AJ the end game. For AJ it would make sense to grab at JPs belt to consolidate things back for Fury. Before that happens though I reckon the best path for JP is to get some profile against Bellew.
JPs big problem now is what happens if he gets a loss. The wrong loss could send him to the wilderness for a long time as the only attraction he currently has is the belt. -
@kiwiinmelb said in Parker v ??:
@raznomore the problem for joe now, in boxing circles around the world , people are becoming aware who he is , but they are mocking him a bit , they arent taking him too seriously.
Which means they need to put their money where their mouths are (on both sides)
It does appear that JP has to choose which direction he will now go. If he goes to the US then Arum will likely set him up against Wilder. That could be good for JPs development because Arum may insist on some fresh training as well.
The other path is obviously to the UK with AJ the end game. For AJ it would make sense to grab at JPs belt to consolidate things back for Fury. Before that happens though I reckon the best path for JP is to get some profile against Bellew.
JPs big problem now is what happens if he gets a loss. The wrong loss could send him to the wilderness for a long time as the only attraction he currently has is the belt.@Crucial yeah he was very lucky to get that belt in the first place , didnt have to take it off a genuine champ as per normal ,
if he loses it , chances are , it will never be that easy again.
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@raznomore the problem for joe now, in boxing circles around the world , people are becoming aware who he is , but they are mocking him a bit , they arent taking him too seriously.
@kiwiinmelb On the other hand, they all seem to want to fight him - and not surprisingly, because he has a belt.
The official" rankings are actually a complete shambles....
http://www.fightnews.com/rankings-2
the boxrewc rankings might be as close as anything to the truth...though I doubt this links directly to the Heavyweight rankings. {edit: yeah - you need to do your own search}
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@kiwiinmelb On the other hand, they all seem to want to fight him - and not surprisingly, because he has a belt.
The official" rankings are actually a complete shambles....
http://www.fightnews.com/rankings-2
the boxrewc rankings might be as close as anything to the truth...though I doubt this links directly to the Heavyweight rankings. {edit: yeah - you need to do your own search}
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@Chris-B. Whyte and Bellew are pretty keen , and are prob good options for Joe
the bigger fish AJ , Vlad , Tyson Fury seem more interested in the money fights
This is after the coverage of the fight , Whyte mouthing off ,
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@kiwiinmelb Whyte is entitled to think that based on what he has seen. However Whyte is a horrible boxer similar to Wilder.
I think Joe would beat him. And quickly.
@raznomore I'm losing confidence in Joe beating anyone quickly to be honest , his last 3 have gone the distance and hasn't looked like stopping them , it seems once the level of his opponents have gone up a bit , his power and timing Isnt there like it was previously against the earlier hacks that were back peddling
But I don't have fears of him fighting Whyte , Wilder I do , unorthodox, but has genuine knockout power , and with joes suspect defence, I see that one as danger with those massive right hands .
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They do keep talking about Joe fighting within himself with these 'lesser' fighters. Ruiz was the real test and Joe looked poor at times in that fight. His natural tendency is to drop his hands, and while I guess all fighters do that when they get tired, it just paints a big target on your mush. Haven't seen anything to indicate Joe's D is improving so that makes me question Barry.
While he's in good shape he still doesn't seem to have added much bulk over the last couple of years. I know they focus on his hand speed but if you aren't dropping hammers on fools how are you going to win fights?
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@raznomore I'm losing confidence in Joe beating anyone quickly to be honest , his last 3 have gone the distance and hasn't looked like stopping them , it seems once the level of his opponents have gone up a bit , his power and timing Isnt there like it was previously against the earlier hacks that were back peddling
But I don't have fears of him fighting Whyte , Wilder I do , unorthodox, but has genuine knockout power , and with joes suspect defence, I see that one as danger with those massive right hands .
@kiwiinmelb said in Parker v ??:
@raznomore I'm losing confidence in Joe beating anyone quickly to be honest , his last 3 have gone the distance and hasn't looked like stopping them , it seems once the level of his opponents have gone up a bit , his power and timing Isnt there like it was previously against the earlier hacks that were back peddling
But I don't have fears of him fighting Whyte , Wilder I do , unorthodox, but has genuine knockout power , and with joes suspect defence, I see that one as danger with those massive right hands .
Whyte has shocking defense. He is all flailing arms and hay-makers. It suits Parker's style in my opinion. When fighters have been disciplined in their approach as Takim, Ruiz and Conaju have been Parker has struggled. Whyte is not a smart fighter nor is he disciplined. He's an empty the tank fighter. I think Joe hold up well and Whyte would get caught and KO'd.
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@kiwiinmelb said in Parker v ??:
@raznomore I'm losing confidence in Joe beating anyone quickly to be honest , his last 3 have gone the distance and hasn't looked like stopping them , it seems once the level of his opponents have gone up a bit , his power and timing Isnt there like it was previously against the earlier hacks that were back peddling
But I don't have fears of him fighting Whyte , Wilder I do , unorthodox, but has genuine knockout power , and with joes suspect defence, I see that one as danger with those massive right hands .
Whyte has shocking defense. He is all flailing arms and hay-makers. It suits Parker's style in my opinion. When fighters have been disciplined in their approach as Takim, Ruiz and Conaju have been Parker has struggled. Whyte is not a smart fighter nor is he disciplined. He's an empty the tank fighter. I think Joe hold up well and Whyte would get caught and KO'd.
@raznomore said in Parker v ??:
@kiwiinmelb said in Parker v ??:
@raznomore I'm losing confidence in Joe beating anyone quickly to be honest , his last 3 have gone the distance and hasn't looked like stopping them , it seems once the level of his opponents have gone up a bit , his power and timing Isnt there like it was previously against the earlier hacks that were back peddling
But I don't have fears of him fighting Whyte , Wilder I do , unorthodox, but has genuine knockout power , and with joes suspect defence, I see that one as danger with those massive right hands .
Whyte has shocking defense. He is all flailing arms and hay-makers. It suits Parker's style in my opinion. When fighters have been disciplined in their approach as Takim, Ruiz and Conaju have been Parker has struggled. Whyte is not a smart fighter nor is he disciplined. He's an empty the tank fighter. I think Joe hold up well and Whyte would get caught and KO'd.
Yup have to agree there. He's a bit of a wannabe Dereck Chisora. I'd back JP to win comfortably on the cards if the scoring is fair. Eddie Hearn's fighters usually get dodgy decisions.
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The fight against Hughie Fury has to be the next contest for JP. With the war of words between Higgins and Warren, the best suggestion I've seen is stage that fight in the US with the Arum connection. That might mean taking less money in the short-term but it does have some advantages, notably forcing Fury to fight outside the UK and without the old man as his trainer.
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Starting to look like Whyte could well be Joseph's next opponent if his management have anything to do with it ,
Eddie Hearn who manages bellew and Whyte , seems keener to match bellew in a rematch with haye for financial reasons . And get Whyte to challenge Parker . I guess so they both have big fights to look forward to .
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Fury still has that failed drugs test to deal with? Plus I had a lol at the Fury's being out on the piss at a club - maybe it was just a wee back niggle aye! nothing a bit of blow won't sort out... hold on!!
