NPC - news, injuries etc
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Googled how Kerr went in the UK. So, he was a mixture of shite, injured and unavailable.
He's been with Hertford for the last year. Here's what the DOR said when he signed with them:
"He came over from Auckland hoping to play for Saracens in 2014/15 and was going to be second behind [Owen] Farrell thinking [Charlie] Hodgson might take it easy, but obviously he didn't" "He got loaned out to Bedford, suffered concussion and lost his love for the professional side of the game. "Michael Owen [head of rugby at Haileybury] introduced him to me. He wanted to get into teaching and he's going to do that at Mill Hill short term and be looking to Haileybury or Heath Mount, schools in the local area, long term. "Because of his teaching commitments he will be joining us late in OctoberBut then he didn't play for them until January because of 'teaching commitments' and that was one game from the bench.
CM have basically signed a player who is coming out of semi retirement
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Googled how Kerr went in the UK. So, he was a mixture of shite, injured and unavailable.
He's been with Hertford for the last year. Here's what the DOR said when he signed with them:
"He came over from Auckland hoping to play for Saracens in 2014/15 and was going to be second behind [Owen] Farrell thinking [Charlie] Hodgson might take it easy, but obviously he didn't" "He got loaned out to Bedford, suffered concussion and lost his love for the professional side of the game. "Michael Owen [head of rugby at Haileybury] introduced him to me. He wanted to get into teaching and he's going to do that at Mill Hill short term and be looking to Haileybury or Heath Mount, schools in the local area, long term. "Because of his teaching commitments he will be joining us late in OctoberBut then he didn't play for them until January because of 'teaching commitments' and that was one game from the bench.
CM have basically signed a player who is coming out of semi retirement
@Duluth crikey, I played against Hertford and Bedofrd when I was living there,, just checked and Hertford has actually dropped a divison or 2 since then too!
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Dwayne Sweeney commits to Waikato (for 2 seasons)
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So Kieran Read has re-signed with the NZR through 2019, but interestingly, has signed with Counties for Mitre 10 Cup.
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I guess its a promotional thing, I guess he'll be available to do sponsor stuff for Counties sponsors, despite probably not pulling on a counties jersey.
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Why do provincial teams sign these guys? Do they cost them anything? They'll never play a minute for them.
@Tim said in Mitre 10 Cup - news, injuries etc:
Why do provincial teams sign these guys? Do they cost them anything? They'll never play a minute for them.
Because current NZR regulations for a player to appear in NPC or Ranfurly Shield contain:
2.3 A Player must become a party to a Provincial Union Contract or a Provincial Union Development Contract, in order to participate in the Premier Competition.
This allows the player to be determined in one of four categories:
Local
Loan
Returning NZ player from Overseas
Overseas playerYou are right, it is probable that Kieran Read will never play for CM .. but you never know. If he ever does, then he will be classed as a Local player for Counties Manukau.
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@Tim said in Mitre 10 Cup - news, injuries etc:
Why do provincial teams sign these guys? Do they cost them anything? They'll never play a minute for them.
Because current NZR regulations for a player to appear in NPC or Ranfurly Shield contain:
2.3 A Player must become a party to a Provincial Union Contract or a Provincial Union Development Contract, in order to participate in the Premier Competition.
This allows the player to be determined in one of four categories:
Local
Loan
Returning NZ player from Overseas
Overseas playerYou are right, it is probable that Kieran Read will never play for CM .. but you never know. If he ever does, then he will be classed as a Local player for Counties Manukau.
@Number-10 I think they also get funding based on the numbers that are ABs and Super rugby don't they...so while it isn't gonna pay his Mitre 10 salary, I expect the sponsors will love having access to him (albeit limited with AB duties)
Similar discussion when SBW signed IIRC
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You're right about the promotional thing.
Provincial contracts do contain a clause where the player can be used for "promotion purposes" by the province, and it is a certain number of hours.
The full cost of an All Black's provincial contract is reimbursed by NZR if the All Black does not appear for the province. if the All Black does appear for the province then NZR reimburses on a pro-rata basis, I think.
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I'm also unsure if the Reads are going to live in the Counties region. Surely with the amount of time spent with the Crusaders they'll remain living Christchurch.
@Wurzel said in Mitre 10 Cup - news, injuries etc:
I'm also unsure if the Reads are going to live in the Counties region. Surely with the amount of time spent with the Crusaders they'll remain living Christchurch.
Is Read's wife originally from Counties? BBBR moved back to HB because his wife wanted to live back there - could be the same with the Reads?
If I was Read, I'd probably try and squeeze in a game for Counties at some stage - i.e. if I went to another province before playing for the senior team, I'd personally want to play at least one game for the Magpies.
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Trent Renata has signed a two-year contract with the Wellington Lions.
https://www.wrfu.co.nz/single/item/trent-renata-joins-wellington-lions-on-two-year-deal/
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He has not been named in any of Wainuiomata's starting lineups in the twelve matches played this season. However as a fully contracted Super Rugby player perhaps he is too valuable to risk? He has been fully contracted with the Lions from his last year at Scots College and been part of the Hurricanes for a lot of that time as well so the investment in him from both Wellington RFU and the Hurricanes must be astronomical when weighed against the extremely scant return to date. Tiaan Falcon does not have a hope in hell of furthering his Hurricanes career if the standard modus operandi employed by the owners of the Hurricanes continues on.
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He has not been named in any of Wainuiomata's starting lineups in the twelve matches played this season. However as a fully contracted Super Rugby player perhaps he is too valuable to risk? He has been fully contracted with the Lions from his last year at Scots College and been part of the Hurricanes for a lot of that time as well so the investment in him from both Wellington RFU and the Hurricanes must be astronomical when weighed against the extremely scant return to date. Tiaan Falcon does not have a hope in hell of furthering his Hurricanes career if the standard modus operandi employed by the owners of the Hurricanes continues on.
@Higgins said in Mitre 10 Cup - news, injuries etc:
He has not been named in any of Wainuiomata's starting lineups in the twelve matches played this season. However as a fully contracted Super Rugby player perhaps he is too valuable to risk? He has been fully contracted with the Lions from his last year at Scots College and been part of the Hurricanes for a lot of that time as well so the investment in him from both Wellington RFU and the Hurricanes must be astronomical when weighed against the extremely scant return to date. Tiaan Falcon does not have a hope in hell of furthering his Hurricanes career if the standard modus operandi employed by the owners of the Hurricanes continues on.
Not sure about that. I think he's still injured. This is an interesting article about long-term injured players at the Canes that suggests he's still injured:
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Geldenhuys released from Mako$ contract
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Jarrad Hoeata is back in New Zealand and has signed with North Harbour for the 2017 Mitre Cup season.
http://www.harbourrugby.co.nz/news/qbe-north-harbour-sign-former-all-black-and-highlanders-lock/
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A claim from the Southland Times that another change to the NPC format might be a possibility. Short of a full round robin, this would be the best format which gives every team a chance of winning the Mitre 10 Cup.
- **I'm hearing there has been a proposal put to the provinces which would see the premiership and championship divisions scrapped and replaced by a southern pool and a northern pool.
This is how I understand it would work.
The format would remain pretty much the same in regard to teams playing each of the other six teams in their pool, as well as four cross-over games against teams in other pools.
But the top teams from each pool would then advance to the same playoffs, rather than the top or bottom division.
Clear as mud?
I guess the geographical split might see Southland join Otago, Canterbury, Ta$man, Wellington, Manawatu, and Taranaki in one pool.
The competition will remain the same for 2017 but could change be on its way?**
