All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2
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as a youngster in league leading with the shoulder was his trademark tackle , it was legal then and no one did it better, apparently he did it through his rep juniors.
I still get the impression with him its almost his instinctive technique , and he has to conitually fight that urge .
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
This is a very special side. I can't think of another international side who could have competed against this BIL side with a man down for so long. And almost win it.
It was an immense bloody-minded effort, but the 2nd-half first-20 minute penalty-deluge was what let NZ stay in the game - a coherent national side like England or Ireland would not have allowed that to happen.
.. sending off. In real time I thought it was a yellow. On reflection red was the correct call.
Real-time, the main side-view camera meant it was hard to see.
All other angles made it so clear that it is hard to believe a few people query it.Doing something so dumb is normally only seen from an over-eager novice
or someone on 70 minutes whose brain is oxygen-starved after 5 minutes of non-stop play.SBW deserves the full criticism for this specific action.
It seems like some people are using it to unload a back-log of criticism.Wellington police need to be informed that Itoje has appropriated McCaw's Cloak of Invisibility.
Itoje: educated at Harrow - maybe in some of the dark arts of Hogwarts-McCawesome-ball-expelliarmus?
But hopefully Gatland realises that he got out of jail with this result.
Too true.
@Megweya haha, although I think McCaw was a bit more subtle in his actions, Itoje could been wearing a black jersey and would have been offside as much as McCaw
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Oh and what's the go with this Sinckler cnut? Is he the tour tough guy? Twice last night he had his own players rush to pull him away from a scuffle, and now allegedly an incident in the tunnel involving him and surprise surprise, TJP, which started by Sinckler refusing to walk through the tunnel of players after the game
@taniwharugby the guys a prize bell end and yes he does think he's a real tough guy
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Oh and what's the go with this Sinckler cnut? Is he the tour tough guy? Twice last night he had his own players rush to pull him away from a scuffle, and now allegedly an incident in the tunnel involving him and surprise surprise, TJP, which started by Sinckler refusing to walk through the tunnel of players after the game
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
Oh and what's the go with this Sinckler cnut? Is he the tour tough guy? Twice last night he had his own players rush to pull him away from a scuffle, and now allegedly an incident in the tunnel involving him and surprise surprise, TJP, which started by Sinckler refusing to walk through the tunnel of players after the game
Perenara should suck it up and stop acting like a crying bitch
We lost and need to be humble about it
Seen plenty of yahooing and pats on the head from him when the Hurricanes win or get a call their way.
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Oh and I'm interested to hear from the Savea knockers regarding Ioane. You know, the ones that always have a go at him for sticking out in the wing and/or not getting involved enough, because apparently if you're a winger it's really easy to make play go your way.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
Oh and what's the go with this Sinckler cnut? Is he the tour tough guy? Twice last night he had his own players rush to pull him away from a scuffle, and now allegedly an incident in the tunnel involving him and surprise surprise, TJP, which started by Sinckler refusing to walk through the tunnel of players after the game
Perenara should suck it up and stop acting like a crying bitch
We lost and need to be humble about it
Seen plenty of yahooing and pats on the head from him when the Hurricanes win or get a call their way.
@SammyC yep, his arm flapping and all round behaviour reminds me of Peter Stringer who I thought was a cnut!
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Oh and I'm interested to hear from the Savea knockers regarding Ioane. You know, the ones that always have a go at him for sticking out in the wing and/or not getting involved enough, because apparently if you're a winger it's really easy to make play go your way.
@Bones said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
Oh and I'm interested to hear from the Savea knockers regarding Ioane. You know, the ones that always have a go at him for sticking out in the wing and/or not getting involved enough, because apparently if you're a winger it's really easy to make play go your way.
Sure. Workrate when the play does go his way would be nice.
We might well get to see him attempt it in the third test.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@Crash said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
I doubt some of the anger will have washed away overnight but I'm going to make the comment anyway.
When the head contact directives came in we all said it was only going to be a matter of time before a test was ruined because of them.
Now SBW should certainly have been more careful knowing the directives and should have realised the dangerous situation he was getting into. He must certainly take the blame.
However, before the directives that would have been a YC. Clumsy accidental contact to the head. A lot of posters are carrying on as if that was a deliberate shoulder charge. It was a tackle assist executed dangerously.
Yep completely agree - tackle assist, poor execution careless and a YC - new protocols introduced have changed our game completely and not always for the better. Amazingly enough, Watson passed his HIA, but Naholo failed his.
I don't even know who hit Naholo but his was also a poorly executed, lack of due care, tackle assist that actually caused a head injury yet nothing? I think Ayoub had given up by then, he knew Garces wasn't listening to him.
A poor showing by the ref team that lost it's way. Not only with the MV and Naholo incidents but the ARs completely lost sight of the offside lines in the last 10 minutes as well, it was a fucken mess.
Quit the whingeing lads, we're not Irish. Naholo concussion doesn't automatically equal foul play. Reckon there is zero zilch nada chance O'Brien will be cited for that.
Ref had some poor calls either way. Just like in every match ever played.
@Billy-Tell it wasn't necessarily foul play but it was a pin-point swinging arm to the temple. It's hard to judge intent but it certainly warranted further investigation.
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@Billy-Tell it wasn't necessarily foul play but it was a pin-point swinging arm to the temple. It's hard to judge intent but it certainly warranted further investigation.
@scruffy-lookin said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@Billy-Tell it wasn't necessarily foul play but it was a pin-point swinging arm to the temple. It's hard to judge intent but it certainly warranted further investigation.
There's a citing process. If you guys are all correct, then we will see more than SBW in front of the judiciary. If we don't, then maybe time to reconsider your stance?
If we're talking about the ref, Farrell was taken late, and the penalty in the first half for Vunipola apparently not supporting his body weight was an incredibly harsh call.
And I don't think Sinckler jumped into the tackle, he jumped to catch the ball, and Faumuina had pre-anticipated his tackle. It was a harsh enough penalty, but if the shoe had been on the other foot, I would have taken it.
I think Ayoub was trying to suggest red card to Garces for the Vunipola challenge, but the way they communicate is so oblique always require deciphering, especially the Frenchies for whom English is not their first language.
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@Billy-Tell it wasn't necessarily foul play but it was a pin-point swinging arm to the temple. It's hard to judge intent but it certainly warranted further investigation.
@scruffy-lookin said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@Billy-Tell it wasn't necessarily foul play but it was a pin-point swinging arm to the temple. It's hard to judge intent but it certainly warranted further investigation.
Intent doesn't come into it (to start with). You are expected to take care that your actions don't contact the head in a dangerous manner.
Swinging an arm in as an arriving tackle assist is lack of care.
IIRC the contact was on the jaw like a KO in fighting. -
Oh and I'm interested to hear from the Savea knockers regarding Ioane. You know, the ones that always have a go at him for sticking out in the wing and/or not getting involved enough, because apparently if you're a winger it's really easy to make play go your way.
@Bones said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
Oh and I'm interested to hear from the Savea knockers regarding Ioane. You know, the ones that always have a go at him for sticking out in the wing and/or not getting involved enough, because apparently if you're a winger it's really easy to make play go your way.
Yes I was certainly wishing we had Savea at that stage. Remember the RWC final when Smith got a yellow Savea was right in there looking for work.
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@scruffy-lookin said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@Billy-Tell it wasn't necessarily foul play but it was a pin-point swinging arm to the temple. It's hard to judge intent but it certainly warranted further investigation.
Intent doesn't come into it (to start with). You are expected to take care that your actions don't contact the head in a dangerous manner.
Swinging an arm in as an arriving tackle assist is lack of care.
IIRC the contact was on the jaw like a KO in fighting. -
@SammyC yep, his arm flapping and all round behaviour reminds me of Peter Stringer who I thought was a cnut!
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
Peter Stringer who I thought was a cnut!
... with a superb pass and an amazing knack of tap-tackling.
This one
seems Yoda-like because Luger seemed way past him.Going a bit deeper, he had a challenging time as a youngster with discussions about having growth hormone to make him bigger - long interview (1 hour)
On a lighter note, Ireland lock Mick Galway says when he was recalled to the side in 2000 (despite some selectors thinking he was too small for a lock) he stood between youngsters O'Gara and Stringer to make himself look bigger to the committee men in the stand!
better than many others!
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
Peter Stringer who I thought was a cnut!
... with a superb pass and an amazing knack of tap-tackling.
This one
seems Yoda-like because Luger seemed way past him.Going a bit deeper, he had a challenging time as a youngster with discussions about having growth hormone to make him bigger - long interview (1 hour)
On a lighter note, Ireland lock Mick Galway says when he was recalled to the side in 2000 (despite some selectors thinking he was too small for a lock) he stood between youngsters O'Gara and Stringer to make himself look bigger to the committee men in the stand!
better than many others!
But then, anyone looked big compared to Stringer - -
yeah I thought to my self during the game , that julian may have been handy here , coming in during the pick and drives helping out the forwards being a man down,
they went for Reiko because at this point in time he has more form and ability to beat a man and find space out on the flanks ,
Hindsight is a wonderful thing
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Nothing like a loss to bring some life into the forum ,
I get the impression its going to be a long week
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
Nothing like a loss to bring some life into the forum ,
I get the impression its going to be a long week
haha, and I expect we will have some quality rants during the week too.
SBW rightfully copping shit, but geez some of the hate toward the guy is pathetic, I expect the decision to play him next week will be taken away from our selectors by the judiciary, and I hope the same fate for Vunipola.
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@Megweya for me, epitomised how whiny the IRish players were at the time, really disliked Ireland at the time, regardless how good of a player he was.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@Megweya for me, epitomised how whiny the IRish players were at the time, really disliked Ireland at the time, regardless how good of a player he was.
This times , oh about a million.
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I really didn't think there was fuck all in the vunipola cleanout, he hardly hit him and beauden milked it for all it was worth.
@reprobate said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
I really didn't think there was fuck all in the vunipola cleanout, he hardly hit him and beauden milked it for all it was worth.
Wtf? Are you blind?
