All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2
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@Billy-Tell it wasn't necessarily foul play but it was a pin-point swinging arm to the temple. It's hard to judge intent but it certainly warranted further investigation.
@scruffy-lookin said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@Billy-Tell it wasn't necessarily foul play but it was a pin-point swinging arm to the temple. It's hard to judge intent but it certainly warranted further investigation.
Intent doesn't come into it (to start with). You are expected to take care that your actions don't contact the head in a dangerous manner.
Swinging an arm in as an arriving tackle assist is lack of care.
IIRC the contact was on the jaw like a KO in fighting. -
Oh and I'm interested to hear from the Savea knockers regarding Ioane. You know, the ones that always have a go at him for sticking out in the wing and/or not getting involved enough, because apparently if you're a winger it's really easy to make play go your way.
@Bones said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
Oh and I'm interested to hear from the Savea knockers regarding Ioane. You know, the ones that always have a go at him for sticking out in the wing and/or not getting involved enough, because apparently if you're a winger it's really easy to make play go your way.
Yes I was certainly wishing we had Savea at that stage. Remember the RWC final when Smith got a yellow Savea was right in there looking for work.
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@scruffy-lookin said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@Billy-Tell it wasn't necessarily foul play but it was a pin-point swinging arm to the temple. It's hard to judge intent but it certainly warranted further investigation.
Intent doesn't come into it (to start with). You are expected to take care that your actions don't contact the head in a dangerous manner.
Swinging an arm in as an arriving tackle assist is lack of care.
IIRC the contact was on the jaw like a KO in fighting. -
@SammyC yep, his arm flapping and all round behaviour reminds me of Peter Stringer who I thought was a cnut!
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
Peter Stringer who I thought was a cnut!
... with a superb pass and an amazing knack of tap-tackling.
This one
seems Yoda-like because Luger seemed way past him.Going a bit deeper, he had a challenging time as a youngster with discussions about having growth hormone to make him bigger - long interview (1 hour)
On a lighter note, Ireland lock Mick Galway says when he was recalled to the side in 2000 (despite some selectors thinking he was too small for a lock) he stood between youngsters O'Gara and Stringer to make himself look bigger to the committee men in the stand!
better than many others!
But then, anyone looked big compared to Stringer - -
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
Peter Stringer who I thought was a cnut!
... with a superb pass and an amazing knack of tap-tackling.
This one
seems Yoda-like because Luger seemed way past him.Going a bit deeper, he had a challenging time as a youngster with discussions about having growth hormone to make him bigger - long interview (1 hour)
On a lighter note, Ireland lock Mick Galway says when he was recalled to the side in 2000 (despite some selectors thinking he was too small for a lock) he stood between youngsters O'Gara and Stringer to make himself look bigger to the committee men in the stand!
better than many others!
But then, anyone looked big compared to Stringer - -
yeah I thought to my self during the game , that julian may have been handy here , coming in during the pick and drives helping out the forwards being a man down,
they went for Reiko because at this point in time he has more form and ability to beat a man and find space out on the flanks ,
Hindsight is a wonderful thing
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Nothing like a loss to bring some life into the forum ,
I get the impression its going to be a long week
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
Nothing like a loss to bring some life into the forum ,
I get the impression its going to be a long week
haha, and I expect we will have some quality rants during the week too.
SBW rightfully copping shit, but geez some of the hate toward the guy is pathetic, I expect the decision to play him next week will be taken away from our selectors by the judiciary, and I hope the same fate for Vunipola.
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@Megweya for me, epitomised how whiny the IRish players were at the time, really disliked Ireland at the time, regardless how good of a player he was.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@Megweya for me, epitomised how whiny the IRish players were at the time, really disliked Ireland at the time, regardless how good of a player he was.
This times , oh about a million.
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I really didn't think there was fuck all in the vunipola cleanout, he hardly hit him and beauden milked it for all it was worth.
@reprobate said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
I really didn't think there was fuck all in the vunipola cleanout, he hardly hit him and beauden milked it for all it was worth.
Wtf? Are you blind?
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@reprobate said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
I really didn't think there was fuck all in the vunipola cleanout, he hardly hit him and beauden milked it for all it was worth.
Wtf? Are you blind?
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
I really didn't think there was fuck all in the vunipola cleanout, he hardly hit him and beauden milked it for all it was worth.
Wtf? Are you blind?
Yes, blind since birth.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
I really didn't think there was fuck all in the vunipola cleanout, he hardly hit him and beauden milked it for all it was worth.
Wtf? Are you blind?
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
I really didn't think there was fuck all in the vunipola cleanout, he hardly hit him and beauden milked it for all it was worth.
Wtf? Are you blind?
The Vunipola "late charge" - nothing in it, but if I was to cover one eye, I'd ponder whether there was intent without damage.
The Vunipola cleanout - dodgy, and reckless at best. Coming so soon after the late charge... I can imagine a post in the conspiracy thread about it.
(Along the lines of... after the "late charge" - was that a hollywood by Barrett? And if so - was it because Vunipola said something as he failed to take him out? Targetted.) -
Was just thinking that from time to time Hansen does get a bit too clever, and when he does it seems to involve Kaino.
In Chicago it was thinking that he was an international class lock from the first minute against a tough Irish pack.
Last night, it was thinking that we could get rid of him so soon on a wet night. If that scenario had ever been discussed, it certainly looked like a shock to Kaino. In hindsight keeping him going till halftime at least might have been better in the conditions and given the opposition.
All that said, it doesn't help when someone leaves you playing 55 mins with only 14 men...
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
I really didn't think there was fuck all in the vunipola cleanout, he hardly hit him and beauden milked it for all it was worth.
Wtf? Are you blind?
The Vunipola "late charge" - nothing in it, but if I was to cover one eye, I'd ponder whether there was intent without damage.
The Vunipola cleanout - dodgy, and reckless at best. Coming so soon after the late charge... I can imagine a post in the conspiracy thread about it.
(Along the lines of... after the "late charge" - was that a hollywood by Barrett? And if so - was it because Vunipola said something as he failed to take him out? Targetted.) -
@Crucial said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@Crash said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
I doubt some of the anger will have washed away overnight but I'm going to make the comment anyway.
When the head contact directives came in we all said it was only going to be a matter of time before a test was ruined because of them.
Now SBW should certainly have been more careful knowing the directives and should have realised the dangerous situation he was getting into. He must certainly take the blame.
However, before the directives that would have been a YC. Clumsy accidental contact to the head. A lot of posters are carrying on as if that was a deliberate shoulder charge. It was a tackle assist executed dangerously.
Yep completely agree - tackle assist, poor execution careless and a YC - new protocols introduced have changed our game completely and not always for the better. Amazingly enough, Watson passed his HIA, but Naholo failed his.
I don't even know who hit Naholo but his was also a poorly executed, lack of due care, tackle assist that actually caused a head injury yet nothing? I think Ayoub had given up by then, he knew Garces wasn't listening to him.
A poor showing by the ref team that lost it's way. Not only with the MV and Naholo incidents but the ARs completely lost sight of the offside lines in the last 10 minutes as well, it was a fucken mess.
Quit the whingeing lads, we're not Irish. Naholo concussion doesn't automatically equal foul play. Reckon there is zero zilch nada chance O'Brien will be cited for that.
Ref had some poor calls either way. Just like in every match ever played.
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@Crash said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
I doubt some of the anger will have washed away overnight but I'm going to make the comment anyway.
When the head contact directives came in we all said it was only going to be a matter of time before a test was ruined because of them.
Now SBW should certainly have been more careful knowing the directives and should have realised the dangerous situation he was getting into. He must certainly take the blame.
However, before the directives that would have been a YC. Clumsy accidental contact to the head. A lot of posters are carrying on as if that was a deliberate shoulder charge. It was a tackle assist executed dangerously.
Yep completely agree - tackle assist, poor execution careless and a YC - new protocols introduced have changed our game completely and not always for the better. Amazingly enough, Watson passed his HIA, but Naholo failed his.
I don't even know who hit Naholo but his was also a poorly executed, lack of due care, tackle assist that actually caused a head injury yet nothing? I think Ayoub had given up by then, he knew Garces wasn't listening to him.
A poor showing by the ref team that lost it's way. Not only with the MV and Naholo incidents but the ARs completely lost sight of the offside lines in the last 10 minutes as well, it was a fucken mess.
Quit the whingeing lads, we're not Irish. Naholo concussion doesn't automatically equal foul play. Reckon there is zero zilch nada chance O'Brien will be cited for that.
Ref had some poor calls either way. Just like in every match ever played.
Agree. Reminded me of McCaw on Parra in 2011 RWC final.
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@Kruse late charge was one we see all the time, sometimes pinged, sometimes not.
THe hit while BB was on the deck, IMO very deliberate and potentially dangerous.
@taniwharugby Yep - and I'd need to have another look at the "cleanout" - but was it ever anywhere near necessary? A couple of posters mentioned BB was "on the wrong side", but my recollection (after many a beer) was that he was pretty much the only guy there, and hadn't even had a chance to roll away yet.
The late charge - looked like a big fat guy TRYING to make a big hit, but failing miserably. -
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
I really didn't think there was fuck all in the vunipola cleanout, he hardly hit him and beauden milked it for all it was worth.
Wtf? Are you blind?
The Vunipola "late charge" - nothing in it, but if I was to cover one eye, I'd ponder whether there was intent without damage.
The Vunipola cleanout - dodgy, and reckless at best. Coming so soon after the late charge... I can imagine a post in the conspiracy thread about it.
(Along the lines of... after the "late charge" - was that a hollywood by Barrett? And if so - was it because Vunipola said something as he failed to take him out? Targetted.)@Kruse said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
I really didn't think there was fuck all in the vunipola cleanout, he hardly hit him and beauden milked it for all it was worth.
Wtf? Are you blind?
The Vunipola "late charge" - nothing in it, but if I was to cover one eye, I'd ponder whether there was intent without damage.
The Vunipola cleanout - dodgy, and reckless at best. Coming so soon after the late charge... I can imagine a post in the conspiracy thread about it.
(Along the lines of... after the "late charge" - was that a hollywood by Barrett? And if so - was it because Vunipola said something as he failed to take him out? Targetted.)I felt the Lions could be aggrieved about the late charge. But to say that there was nothing in that cleanout and that BB played Hollywood (not you Kruse but Mr farking Magoo) is just plain weird.
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@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@Crash said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
I doubt some of the anger will have washed away overnight but I'm going to make the comment anyway.
When the head contact directives came in we all said it was only going to be a matter of time before a test was ruined because of them.
Now SBW should certainly have been more careful knowing the directives and should have realised the dangerous situation he was getting into. He must certainly take the blame.
However, before the directives that would have been a YC. Clumsy accidental contact to the head. A lot of posters are carrying on as if that was a deliberate shoulder charge. It was a tackle assist executed dangerously.
Yep completely agree - tackle assist, poor execution careless and a YC - new protocols introduced have changed our game completely and not always for the better. Amazingly enough, Watson passed his HIA, but Naholo failed his.
I don't even know who hit Naholo but his was also a poorly executed, lack of due care, tackle assist that actually caused a head injury yet nothing? I think Ayoub had given up by then, he knew Garces wasn't listening to him.
A poor showing by the ref team that lost it's way. Not only with the MV and Naholo incidents but the ARs completely lost sight of the offside lines in the last 10 minutes as well, it was a fucken mess.
Quit the whingeing lads, we're not Irish. Naholo concussion doesn't automatically equal foul play. Reckon there is zero zilch nada chance O'Brien will be cited for that.
Ref had some poor calls either way. Just like in every match ever played.
Agree. Reminded me of McCaw on Parra in 2011 RWC final.
@Rapido rules around contact with the head have changed massively since then.
