All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3
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@Wreck-Diver said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@junior bollocks look at the footage. Farrell holds his ankle he then over runs because he thinks he has to go wide. Its standard play in the premiership holding players past the ruck.
What exactly are you trying to argue?
@Bones Farrell delays TJP coming to his left to fill the hole. when he gets free he over chases to the left. which allows murray to step inside. Its pretty simple. no hold no hole got it.
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@Bones Farrell delays TJP coming to his left to fill the hole. when he gets free he over chases to the left. which allows murray to step inside. Its pretty simple. no hold no hole got it.
@Wreck-Diver said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Bones Farrell delays TJP coming to his left to fill the hole. when he gets free he over chases to the left. which allows murray to step inside. Its pretty simple. no hold no hole got it.
That makes no sense at all - TJP was going left whatever, he left the hole - or did Farrell also put his hand over TJP's eyes?
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@Bones Farrell delays TJP coming to his left to fill the hole. when he gets free he over chases to the left. which allows murray to step inside. Its pretty simple. no hold no hole got it.
@Wreck-Diver said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Bones Farrell delays TJP coming to his left to fill the hole. when he gets free he over chases to the left. which allows murray to step inside. Its pretty simple. no hold no hole got it.
Farrell cheated (likely along with approximately 35 other guys on the day). It had no bearing on Perenera going wide. He was covering the perceived threat outside.
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@Wreck-Diver said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Bones Farrell delays TJP coming to his left to fill the hole. when he gets free he over chases to the left. which allows murray to step inside. Its pretty simple. no hold no hole got it.
That makes no sense at all - TJP was going left whatever, he left the hole - or did Farrell also put his hand over TJP's eyes?
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@Wreck-Diver said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Bones Farrell delays TJP coming to his left to fill the hole. when he gets free he over chases to the left. which allows murray to step inside. Its pretty simple. no hold no hole got it.
Farrell cheated (likely along with approximately 35 other guys on the day). It had no bearing on Perenera going wide. He was covering the perceived threat outside.
@Catogrande well if he wasn't held in the first place he doesn't go that extra step and doesn't get beaten on the inside. but hay you have your opinion I have mine.
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@Catogrande well if he wasn't held in the first place he doesn't go that extra step and doesn't get beaten on the inside. but hay you have your opinion I have mine.
@Wreck-Diver So holding him back makes him go further? I could accept that if he had to tear himself away and his momentum took him wider but that was not the case.
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@Bones so a player delaying another going to his left doesn't make him think he has to go hard and makes it easier to get stepped.
@Wreck-Diver No. He has eyes.
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@Wreck-Diver said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Bones Farrell delays TJP coming to his left to fill the hole. when he gets free he over chases to the left. which allows murray to step inside. Its pretty simple. no hold no hole got it.
Farrell cheated (likely along with approximately 35 other guys on the day). It had no bearing on Perenera going wide. He was covering the perceived threat outside.
@Catogrande said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Wreck-Diver said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Bones Farrell delays TJP coming to his left to fill the hole. when he gets free he over chases to the left. which allows murray to step inside. Its pretty simple. no hold no hole got it.
Farrell cheated (likely along with approximately 35 other guys on the day). It had no bearing on Perenera going wide. He was covering the perceived threat outside.
Farrell or Sexton should have been penalised there, take your pick. A 7 point non-decision from a ref who could easily have checked and didn't. I did wonder at the time whether part of the reason for that was that he was pissed off with TJP's histrionics, which is a major reason TJP should learn a bit of self control.
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@Catogrande said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Wreck-Diver said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Bones Farrell delays TJP coming to his left to fill the hole. when he gets free he over chases to the left. which allows murray to step inside. Its pretty simple. no hold no hole got it.
Farrell cheated (likely along with approximately 35 other guys on the day). It had no bearing on Perenera going wide. He was covering the perceived threat outside.
Farrell or Sexton should have been penalised there, take your pick. A 7 point non-decision from a ref who could easily have checked and didn't. I did wonder at the time whether part of the reason for that was that he was pissed off with TJP's histrionics, which is a major reason TJP should learn a bit of self control.
@JC Ach mate. I would't argue with the penalty thing. Farrell was holding on and Sexton was in an offside position. Both guilty but not picked up. However that is not why Perenera went wide. Which was the issue being discussed. Shitty stuff like that goes on all over the place but at this level it should not be an excuse if it doesn't materially affect what occurs. They're professionals after all.
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@Wreck-Diver No. He has eyes.
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@booboo said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Flush the dunny.
ABs will be forced into more changes in the backs anyway.
Forwards should stay the same. And forwards bench unlikely to change.
Backs well ...
We'll be without Bender and SBW, probably Naholo and maybe Crotty still.
If Crotty is close to better they'll bring him in, but assuming he's not, and assuming all foyr as above are out what's your plan?
For me, given hiw Laumape went I'm starting him at 12.
Can Rieko play 14 (With Jules to 11)? I'm thinking of leaving him at 11 though and moving Izzy back to 14, with JB to 15.
Would give serious consideration to JB kicking.
Would need to find a new benchie. Does Julianuary offer enough cover from the bench? Would mean Rieko or maybe JB covering midfield.
Next in line appears to be Goodhue. Dmac could have a claim at that given both are injury replacements. Or have I forgotten someone?
As for the Lions I'd suggest lawes to start ... but am not really fussed about them. They'll be strong regardless.
Once again it will be as absolute war. If it's 15 on 15 for me is a 50:50 prospect.
It was funny watching yesterday as usually you have this feeling that the ABs just need to get some possession and they'll start to roll over the top. Just didn't get that impression yesterday. Although that may have been due to the numerical disadvantage.
Poite is likely to be weird but less weird than Garces. Of the two am pleased that he and not the other is reffing the decider. I'd prefer just about anyone else but is the lesser of the two evils.
We'll be interesting. Lions playing good rugby to come back into that game and deserve massive credit. I still think Warren G is a massive dick and hope he loses.
And hope the good guys win and send the chippy Pom Islanders home with their tails between their legs.
Pom Islanders?
Jeez, how often do we have to tell you Aussies that there's more than English players in the Lions team..........?
@Pot-Hale said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@booboo said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Flush the dunny.
ABs will be forced into more changes in the backs anyway.
Forwards should stay the same. And forwards bench unlikely to change.
Backs well ...
We'll be without Bender and SBW, probably Naholo and maybe Crotty still.
If Crotty is close to better they'll bring him in, but assuming he's not, and assuming all foyr as above are out what's your plan?
For me, given hiw Laumape went I'm starting him at 12.
Can Rieko play 14 (With Jules to 11)? I'm thinking of leaving him at 11 though and moving Izzy back to 14, with JB to 15.
Would give serious consideration to JB kicking.
Would need to find a new benchie. Does Julianuary offer enough cover from the bench? Would mean Rieko or maybe JB covering midfield.
Next in line appears to be Goodhue. Dmac could have a claim at that given both are injury replacements. Or have I forgotten someone?
As for the Lions I'd suggest lawes to start ... but am not really fussed about them. They'll be strong regardless.
Once again it will be as absolute war. If it's 15 on 15 for me is a 50:50 prospect.
It was funny watching yesterday as usually you have this feeling that the ABs just need to get some possession and they'll start to roll over the top. Just didn't get that impression yesterday. Although that may have been due to the numerical disadvantage.
Poite is likely to be weird but less weird than Garces. Of the two am pleased that he and not the other is reffing the decider. I'd prefer just about anyone else but is the lesser of the two evils.
We'll be interesting. Lions playing good rugby to come back into that game and deserve massive credit. I still think Warren G is a massive dick and hope he loses.
And hope the good guys win and send the chippy Pom Islanders home with their tails between their legs.
Pom Islanders?
Jeez, how often do we have to tell you Aussies that there's more than English players in the Lions team..........?
Jeez @Pot-Hale rancid bait but I knew I'd catch an Irish ...
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@pakman Dagg or Smith go well at 14...
So did Jane who was mostly a FB previously for the Canes
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@pakman Dagg or Smith go well at 14...
So did Jane who was mostly a FB previously for the Canes
Kahui
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@jegga said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Yeah , nah
Graham is fluffing Warren ready for the fall
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@pakman Dagg or Smith go well at 14...
So did Jane who was mostly a FB previously for the Canes
Kahui
@booboo said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@pakman Dagg or Smith go well at 14...
So did Jane who was mostly a FB previously for the Canes
Kahui
FB and wing are similar positions. Kahui moved from 13 out which is almost as impressive as moving from the back three to centre
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@booboo said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@pakman Dagg or Smith go well at 14...
So did Jane who was mostly a FB previously for the Canes
Kahui
FB and wing are similar positions. Kahui moved from 13 out which is almost as impressive as moving from the back three to centre
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@akan004
Well, I'm not one to moan about unfair. The guys could have won despite this and lots of other shit. All that is normal stuff they must rise above, they are the All Blacks. And they nearly did.
However, I focus on the truth (as much as I can see).
Pull up a clip of the incident.- Naholo's head is sticking clear out, the ball is hidden in his lap
- Sean O'Brien (let's call him SOB haha) braces himself and tenses his right hand. His hand actually is angled up like a karate chop.
- SOB carefully lines up the head with a half movement, then connects. When SOB connects, his whole body is behind the other Lions tackler.
- SOB releases and backs away from the tackle area.
SOB wasn't committed to a tackle and didn't go down. SOB was at all time standing up braced for swinging an arm and minimal contact in the tackle.
I would have accepted a yellow. But it deserved a red, or failing that, citing and 2 week ban.
@Wairau said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
I would have accepted a yellow. But it deserved a red, or failing that, citing and 2 week ban.
This is a black mark against the officials, and Garces in particular. The SOB swinging arm should have been dealt with on the field. A penalty at least, but he couldn't have had any complaints if a YC was issued.
I expect both coaches are going to have plenty to say to Poite so he will be under pressure to get his decisions right. The last thing anyone wants is a controversial call to decide the game and series.
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@Wairau said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
I would have accepted a yellow. But it deserved a red, or failing that, citing and 2 week ban.
This is a black mark against the officials, and Garces in particular. The SOB swinging arm should have been dealt with on the field. A penalty at least, but he couldn't have had any complaints if a YC was issued.
I expect both coaches are going to have plenty to say to Poite so he will be under pressure to get his decisions right. The last thing anyone wants is a controversial call to decide the game and series.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Wairau said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
I would have accepted a yellow. But it deserved a red, or failing that, citing and 2 week ban.
This is a black mark against the officials, and Garces in particular. The SOB swinging arm should have been dealt with on the field. A penalty at least, but he couldn't have had any complaints if a YC was issued.
I expect both coaches are going to have plenty to say to Poite so he will be under pressure to get his decisions right. The last thing anyone wants is a controversial call to decide the game and series.
That's why it was so frustrating that Garces was selected for the 2nd test. There was always going to be controversial calls left, right and centre that would take away from what was a brutal, awesome encounter. He's hopeless, but whoever chose him to ref a Lions v ABs match is worse.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Wairau said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
I would have accepted a yellow. But it deserved a red, or failing that, citing and 2 week ban.
This is a black mark against the officials, and Garces in particular. The SOB swinging arm should have been dealt with on the field. A penalty at least, but he couldn't have had any complaints if a YC was issued.
I expect both coaches are going to have plenty to say to Poite so he will be under pressure to get his decisions right. The last thing anyone wants is a controversial call to decide the game and series.
That's why it was so frustrating that Garces was selected for the 2nd test. There was always going to be controversial calls left, right and centre that would take away from what was a brutal, awesome encounter. He's hopeless, but whoever chose him to ref a Lions v ABs match is worse.
