All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Crucial Let's hope they stink on Sat night!
They will and NZ will be overcome with it.
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I still don't see the point of having S Barrett on the bench. If Squire is still not 100% fit than that decision is easier to make but I would expect both Whitelock and Retallick to play the full 80 mins so then it is loose forward cover you want. Ardie will replace Cane and Kaino will also be replaced at some stage despite only playing 70 mins across the 1st and 2nd tests. So to me Barrett is there more as injury cover than providing impact. The fact that he's only spent 12 mins on the field in the 2 tests proves this. I'd have been tempted to include Ioane in the reserves.
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@Wreck-Diver said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@rotated Jordie is a better goal kicker than Boden
Neither is a natural and do you want to bog down Jordie with that duty on what is essentially his debut?
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@rotated no I was just mentioning it . Jordie will not kick a goal on Saturday
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@Wreck-Diver Don't be so sure. JB would the best option for a long range penalty.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Wreck-Diver Don't be so sure. JB would the best option for a long range penalty.
Moreso than Dagg?
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@Wreck-Diver said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Gary I disagree on JB defence for the Canes he has been very good. Better than Dagg
What? 59% tackle success is very good? Ummmm....
@Bones On the other hand the tackling percentage of your FB doesnt matter so much if the forwards, and especially the midfield do their job. Don't allow a line break and you don't have to worry too much about JB's defence all he'd have to worry about is the high ball, which he's good at.
This series the ABs seem to have been playing the Canes configuration, with the wings pushing way up and only the FB staying back, whereas previously they've been leaving the right wing back too (just like all the other team I guess). At least Jordie is used to playing that way. And I'm much happier with Dagg and JB under the high ball.
My main concern is the inclusion of Cruden on the bench means if he is going to come on at all we end up putting our best 10 at the back, where he's hardly set the world alight.
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I still don't see the point of having S Barrett on the bench. If Squire is still not 100% fit than that decision is easier to make but I would expect both Whitelock and Retallick to play the full 80 mins so then it is loose forward cover you want. Ardie will replace Cane and Kaino will also be replaced at some stage despite only playing 70 mins across the 1st and 2nd tests. So to me Barrett is there more as injury cover than providing impact. The fact that he's only spent 12 mins on the field in the 2 tests proves this. I'd have been tempted to include Ioane in the reserves.
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Laumape will be the key. He made large inroads against Sexton/Farrell. If SOB is tied up back marking him, it creates space elsewhere.
I'm surprised that Gatland didn't go with Te'o again - Farrell's defence is squeaky.
@Pot-Hale said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Laumape will be the key. He made large inroads against Sexton/Farrell. If SOB is tied up back marking him, it creates space elsewhere.
I'm surprised that Gatland didn't go with Te'o again - Farrell's defence is squeaky.
Would Lions have scored those two tries on Saturday had they had Farrell/Teo on pitch instead of Sexton/Farrell? I suspect not, so I think the (relatively) weaker S/F defence is worth carrying
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@Pot-Hale said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Laumape will be the key. He made large inroads against Sexton/Farrell. If SOB is tied up back marking him, it creates space elsewhere.
I'm surprised that Gatland didn't go with Te'o again - Farrell's defence is squeaky.
Would Lions have scored those two tries on Saturday had they had Farrell/Teo on pitch instead of Sexton/Farrell? I suspect not, so I think the (relatively) weaker S/F defence is worth carrying
@Disgusted-of-TW the selection of savea and Laumape would suggest to me that we'll be hitting that channel every time off set piece. Interesting times ahead.
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I still don't see the point of having S Barrett on the bench. If Squire is still not 100% fit than that decision is easier to make but I would expect both Whitelock and Retallick to play the full 80 mins so then it is loose forward cover you want. Ardie will replace Cane and Kaino will also be replaced at some stage despite only playing 70 mins across the 1st and 2nd tests. So to me Barrett is there more as injury cover than providing impact. The fact that he's only spent 12 mins on the field in the 2 tests proves this. I'd have been tempted to include Ioane in the reserves.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
I still don't see the point of having S Barrett on the bench. If Squire is still not 100% fit than that decision is easier to make but I would expect both Whitelock and Retallick to play the full 80 mins so then it is loose forward cover you want. Ardie will replace Cane and Kaino will also be replaced at some stage despite only playing 70 mins across the 1st and 2nd tests. So to me Barrett is there more as injury cover than providing impact. The fact that he's only spent 12 mins on the field in the 2 tests proves this. I'd have been tempted to include Ioane in the reserves.
I think with SB , they seem him as lock cover and capable of covering 6 if needed , and are concerned with losing a lock early .
But I get what you are saying , he hasn't provided much impact which goes against the trend of recent seasons ,
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@JC I think another issue is Cruden has come on pretty cold, in test 1 he was pants in the first spell and started showing signs of form in the second, last week he wasn't on as long and really struggled to get into his game, we cant afford to have a playmaker take time to settle in, he needs to hit the field running.
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Warren ball. Brick shithouse at 12, and on the wing. Goalkicking fullback that can catch.
@reprobate said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Warren ball. Brick shithouse at 12, and on the wing. Goalkicking fullback that can catch.
Have you watched much of the Canes this year? Laumape is quite a bit more then just a "brick shithouse". He's the main reason Aso has scored so many tries, putting him away with deft passing and chip kicks on a regular basis. That might be a tag he has to work hard to rid himself of, similar to Nonu.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Bovidae Ardie may come on for Kaino like he did in test 1.
Yes, but I think Kaino will want to be on the field as long as possible. And I expect we'll need him to be.
In test 1, Barrett replaced Read at 76 mins so still didn't replace a lock. At that stage the test was already won.
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It's not often we have an AB team announced where nothing but the odd bench spot is remotely controversial, so I'm enjoying this. The Fern collective knows best!
Feel for Rieko but I think he's a victim of experience rather than form alone. With Laumape and JB starting (due to injuries) they've opted for a 52 test veteran who happens to play for the same franchise, so I can understand the Jules selection.
Laumape is a big call. He's green but has all the skills to be a wonderful 12 for the ABs long term. Made out of rock but has super silky skills, he and ALB could be very hard to contain if they click.
JB at fullback... I'm a fan of JB but I don't even see 15 as his long-term position, so am a little nervous about that. He's good under the high ball and is a big lad so will handle the physicality.. but gezz if he makes a mistake or two early his confidence may be shot. Dagg is much better at 14 though so I can see why they wanted to move him back and return to the "two fullbacks" option.
Despite all that this match will be won or lost by the pack which picks itself. We get the dominance we had in test 1 up front then life becomes a lot easier for our inexperienced backline.
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They've bottled that.
Made a big conviction selection in Ioane, then at smallest hurdle in the most adverse of circumstances drop him completely. On a smaller scale they have also done this with Naholo.
Cruden rendered us rudderless for the final 20 minutes and was a turnover machine - yet somehow is retained over Sopoaga?
If he was retained simply to play his 50th test that is a very poor reason.
Still may win, but somehow with five franchises full of firepower we've selected a bench that will stall our backline rather than up the ante.
@rotated said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
They've bottled that.
Made a big conviction selection in Ioane, then at smallest hurdle in the most adverse of circumstances drop him completely. On a smaller scale they have also done this with Naholo.
Cruden rendered us rudderless for the final 20 minutes and was a turnover machine - yet somehow is retained over Sopoaga?
If he was retained simply to play his 50th test that is a very poor reason.
Still may win, but somehow with five franchises full of firepower we've selected a bench that will stall our backline rather than up the ante.
I like Sopoaga, but if you watch the last ten or so of the Highlanders Lions he made Crudes look like Mr. Reliable!
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It's not often we have an AB team announced where nothing but the odd bench spot is remotely controversial, so I'm enjoying this. The Fern collective knows best!
Feel for Rieko but I think he's a victim of experience rather than form alone. With Laumape and JB starting (due to injuries) they've opted for a 52 test veteran who happens to play for the same franchise, so I can understand the Jules selection.
Laumape is a big call. He's green but has all the skills to be a wonderful 12 for the ABs long term. Made out of rock but has super silky skills, he and ALB could be very hard to contain if they click.
JB at fullback... I'm a fan of JB but I don't even see 15 as his long-term position, so am a little nervous about that. He's good under the high ball and is a big lad so will handle the physicality.. but gezz if he makes a mistake or two early his confidence may be shot. Dagg is much better at 14 though so I can see why they wanted to move him back and return to the "two fullbacks" option.
Despite all that this match will be won or lost by the pack which picks itself. We get the dominance we had in test 1 up front then life becomes a lot easier for our inexperienced backline.
@No-Quarter yeah I think Ioane is more likely a victim of circumstances....
Having a 2 test veteran on the bench when we already have a debutant and a single test veteran starting, and then there is ALB with his massive 12 caps...for a match against tier 1 opposition, this must the most inexperienced team we have had.
Even opting for Fekitoa on the bench, he has only had 23 caps, but I guess that's still a big step up form Ioane.
