All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3
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@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
They've only bottled it if we lose. Otherwise it's a masterstroke.
Ultimately the winning and losing will be done from the 10 jersey on down. So it's hardly panic stations and I'm confident the ABs will win the breakdown and tackle.
Purely in regards to Hansen's selections, it's been pretty poor planning. He released Savea and Barrett to the Canes because Hansen said they weren't in the frame to play the Lions going forward and wanted them to get a chance (while patting himself on the back after Ioane's selection). Then somehow after one of the stranger tests in recent times Hansen has done a complete U-turn on everything.
Pretty harsh on those guys.
Does Joride kick? Not ideal in your first start, but perhaps that is part of the story?
@rotated said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
They've only bottled it if we lose. Otherwise it's a masterstroke.
Ultimately the winning and losing will be done from the 10 jersey on down. So it's hardly panic stations and I'm confident the ABs will win the breakdown and tackle.
Purely in regards to Hansen's selections, it's been pretty poor planning. He released Savea and Barrett to the Canes because Hansen said they weren't in the frame to play the Lions going forward and wanted them to get a chance (while patting himself on the back after Ioane's selection). Then somehow after one of the stranger tests in recent times Hansen has done a complete U-turn on everything.
Pretty harsh on those guys.
Does Joride kick? Not ideal in your first start, but perhaps that is part of the story?
I watched the 2nd test again (I know call me crazy), but there were good periods for our forwards with a number of dominant carries in behind the edges. We did get knocked back at times, but we also knocked them on their backsides and were pretty effective in slowing their ball. Aaron Smith played a hell of a game I thought.
The problems was how we used the ball and our point of attack. And by and large our backs did not do the business in that regard. So if the forwards play to what they did last week then I dare say it will be the play of our backs that will probably determine whether we win or not.
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@rotated said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
They've only bottled it if we lose. Otherwise it's a masterstroke.
Ultimately the winning and losing will be done from the 10 jersey on down. So it's hardly panic stations and I'm confident the ABs will win the breakdown and tackle.
Purely in regards to Hansen's selections, it's been pretty poor planning. He released Savea and Barrett to the Canes because Hansen said they weren't in the frame to play the Lions going forward and wanted them to get a chance (while patting himself on the back after Ioane's selection). Then somehow after one of the stranger tests in recent times Hansen has done a complete U-turn on everything.
Pretty harsh on those guys.
Does Joride kick? Not ideal in your first start, but perhaps that is part of the story?
I watched the 2nd test again (I know call me crazy), but there were good periods for our forwards with a number of dominant carries in behind the edges. We did get knocked back at times, but we also knocked them on their backsides and were pretty effective in slowing their ball. Aaron Smith played a hell of a game I thought.
The problems was how we used the ball and our point of attack. And by and large our backs did not do the business in that regard. So if the forwards play to what they did last week then I dare say it will be the play of our backs that will probably determine whether we win or not.
@ACT-Crusader yeah I rewatched most of the game too, and watching it knowing the end result you do wonder for long periods how we didnt end up winning it.
Ironically, it was when we went to the bench that we looked like we were starting to struggle.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Should maybe make this a separate poll, but who do people prefer/feel less terrified about at 15? The giraffe (Jordie) or Bastian Schweinsteiger (DMac)?
I think I'd prefer to be having this conversation next year or in 2 years but it has been thrust upon us now.
Has it? It would appear that most are relatively comfortable with Barrett given there was very little uproar when the squad was selected and DMac wasn't in it.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Should maybe make this a separate poll, but who do people prefer/feel less terrified about at 15? The giraffe (Jordie) or Bastian Schweinsteiger (DMac)?
I think I'd prefer to be having this conversation next year or in 2 years but it has been thrust upon us now.
Has it? It would appear that most are relatively comfortable with Barrett given there was very little uproar when the squad was selected and DMac wasn't in it.
There have been some grumbles. Just throwing it out there.
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Should maybe make this a separate poll, but who do people prefer/feel less terrified about at 15? The giraffe (Jordie) or Bastian Schweinsteiger (DMac)?
I'm thinking Giraffe because of his ability under the high ball. But Schweini is a better kicker.
I think I'd prefer to be having this conversation next year or in 2 years but it has been thrust upon us now.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Should maybe make this a separate poll, but who do people prefer/feel less terrified about at 15? The giraffe (Jordie) or Bastian Schweinsteiger (DMac)?
I'm thinking Giraffe because of his ability under the high ball. But Schweini is a better kicker.
I think I'd prefer to be having this conversation next year or in 2 years but it has been thrust upon us now.
I'm very interested to see how Jordie goes, had a nagging doubt about the ages of B Smith and Dagg looking ahead to 2019. Unexpected bonus to get this opportunity, although I'd prefer Ben to go through to 2019.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Should maybe make this a separate poll, but who do people prefer/feel less terrified about at 15? The giraffe (Jordie) or Bastian Schweinsteiger (DMac)?
I'm thinking Giraffe because of his ability under the high ball. But Schweini is a better kicker.
I think I'd prefer to be having this conversation next year or in 2 years but it has been thrust upon us now.
I'm very interested to see how Jordie goes, had a nagging doubt about the ages of B Smith and Dagg looking ahead to 2019. Unexpected bonus to get this opportunity, although I'd prefer Ben to go through to 2019.
@Rapido said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Should maybe make this a separate poll, but who do people prefer/feel less terrified about at 15? The giraffe (Jordie) or Bastian Schweinsteiger (DMac)?
I'm thinking Giraffe because of his ability under the high ball. But Schweini is a better kicker.
I think I'd prefer to be having this conversation next year or in 2 years but it has been thrust upon us now.
I'm very interested to see how Jordie goes, had a nagging doubt about the ages of B Smith and Dagg looking ahead to 2019. Unexpected bonus to get this opportunity, although I'd prefer Ben to go through to 2019.
Capping a 20 year old is always a risk, particularly when he's only in his first season of Super rugby and not playing in his strongest position. Oh yeah, and its the deciding test against the Lions.
I'm a big Jordie fan and can't wait to see how he goes, but his selection has now made me much more nervous about this game.
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@Rapido said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Should maybe make this a separate poll, but who do people prefer/feel less terrified about at 15? The giraffe (Jordie) or Bastian Schweinsteiger (DMac)?
I'm thinking Giraffe because of his ability under the high ball. But Schweini is a better kicker.
I think I'd prefer to be having this conversation next year or in 2 years but it has been thrust upon us now.
I'm very interested to see how Jordie goes, had a nagging doubt about the ages of B Smith and Dagg looking ahead to 2019. Unexpected bonus to get this opportunity, although I'd prefer Ben to go through to 2019.
Capping a 20 year old is always a risk, particularly when he's only in his first season of Super rugby and not playing in his strongest position. Oh yeah, and its the deciding test against the Lions.
I'm a big Jordie fan and can't wait to see how he goes, but his selection has now made me much more nervous about this game.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Rapido said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Should maybe make this a separate poll, but who do people prefer/feel less terrified about at 15? The giraffe (Jordie) or Bastian Schweinsteiger (DMac)?
I'm thinking Giraffe because of his ability under the high ball. But Schweini is a better kicker.
I think I'd prefer to be having this conversation next year or in 2 years but it has been thrust upon us now.
I'm very interested to see how Jordie goes, had a nagging doubt about the ages of B Smith and Dagg looking ahead to 2019. Unexpected bonus to get this opportunity, although I'd prefer Ben to go through to 2019.
Capping a 20 year old is always a risk, particularly when he's only in his first season of Super rugby and not playing in his strongest position. Oh yeah, and its the deciding test against the Lions.
http://stats.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/records/player/youngest_appearance.html?id=8;type=team
19 and 20 year olds capped in the professional era listed below. A bloody good list - only Zac stands out as not having a decent impact at the professional level.
19:
Lomu
Reiko Ioane
Toeava
20:
Rokocoko
Jeff Wilson
Cullen
Jordie Barrett
Sam Cane
Jerry Collins
Zac Guildford
Richie McCaw
Aaron Mauger -
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Rapido said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Should maybe make this a separate poll, but who do people prefer/feel less terrified about at 15? The giraffe (Jordie) or Bastian Schweinsteiger (DMac)?
I'm thinking Giraffe because of his ability under the high ball. But Schweini is a better kicker.
I think I'd prefer to be having this conversation next year or in 2 years but it has been thrust upon us now.
I'm very interested to see how Jordie goes, had a nagging doubt about the ages of B Smith and Dagg looking ahead to 2019. Unexpected bonus to get this opportunity, although I'd prefer Ben to go through to 2019.
Capping a 20 year old is always a risk, particularly when he's only in his first season of Super rugby and not playing in his strongest position. Oh yeah, and its the deciding test against the Lions.
http://stats.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/records/player/youngest_appearance.html?id=8;type=team
19 and 20 year olds capped in the professional era listed below. A bloody good list - only Zac stands out as not having a decent impact at the professional level.
19:
Lomu
Reiko Ioane
Toeava
20:
Rokocoko
Jeff Wilson
Cullen
Jordie Barrett
Sam Cane
Jerry Collins
Zac Guildford
Richie McCaw
Aaron Mauger -
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Rapido said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Should maybe make this a separate poll, but who do people prefer/feel less terrified about at 15? The giraffe (Jordie) or Bastian Schweinsteiger (DMac)?
I'm thinking Giraffe because of his ability under the high ball. But Schweini is a better kicker.
I think I'd prefer to be having this conversation next year or in 2 years but it has been thrust upon us now.
I'm very interested to see how Jordie goes, had a nagging doubt about the ages of B Smith and Dagg looking ahead to 2019. Unexpected bonus to get this opportunity, although I'd prefer Ben to go through to 2019.
Capping a 20 year old is always a risk, particularly when he's only in his first season of Super rugby and not playing in his strongest position. Oh yeah, and its the deciding test against the Lions.
http://stats.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/records/player/youngest_appearance.html?id=8;type=team
19 and 20 year olds capped in the professional era listed below. A bloody good list - only Zac stands out as not having a decent impact at the professional level.
19:
Lomu
Reiko Ioane
Toeava
20:
Rokocoko
Jeff Wilson
Cullen
Jordie Barrett
Sam Cane
Jerry Collins
Zac Guildford
Richie McCaw
Aaron Mauger@nzzp said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Rapido said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Should maybe make this a separate poll, but who do people prefer/feel less terrified about at 15? The giraffe (Jordie) or Bastian Schweinsteiger (DMac)?
I'm thinking Giraffe because of his ability under the high ball. But Schweini is a better kicker.
I think I'd prefer to be having this conversation next year or in 2 years but it has been thrust upon us now.
I'm very interested to see how Jordie goes, had a nagging doubt about the ages of B Smith and Dagg looking ahead to 2019. Unexpected bonus to get this opportunity, although I'd prefer Ben to go through to 2019.
Capping a 20 year old is always a risk, particularly when he's only in his first season of Super rugby and not playing in his strongest position. Oh yeah, and its the deciding test against the Lions.
http://stats.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/records/player/youngest_appearance.html?id=8;type=team
19 and 20 year olds capped in the professional era listed below. A bloody good list - only Zac stands out as not having a decent impact at the professional level.
19:
Lomu
Reiko Ioane
Toeava
20:
Rokocoko
Jeff Wilson
Cullen
Jordie Barrett
Sam Cane
Jerry Collins
Zac Guildford
Richie McCaw
Aaron MaugerThose are some damn good players, but bit of a mixed bag in terms of initial returns. Lets hope Jordie does a Cully. Fark that would be good.
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@Canerbry said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@nzzp you'd rate Toeava's "impact" over Guidford?
At the professional level, every day of the week and twice on sunday.
Toeava played 35 tests for the ABs; Guildford 11.
Guildford's self destructed. We still miss Isiah. He was a hell of a player, with untapped potential
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@nzzp said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Rapido said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Should maybe make this a separate poll, but who do people prefer/feel less terrified about at 15? The giraffe (Jordie) or Bastian Schweinsteiger (DMac)?
I'm thinking Giraffe because of his ability under the high ball. But Schweini is a better kicker.
I think I'd prefer to be having this conversation next year or in 2 years but it has been thrust upon us now.
I'm very interested to see how Jordie goes, had a nagging doubt about the ages of B Smith and Dagg looking ahead to 2019. Unexpected bonus to get this opportunity, although I'd prefer Ben to go through to 2019.
Capping a 20 year old is always a risk, particularly when he's only in his first season of Super rugby and not playing in his strongest position. Oh yeah, and its the deciding test against the Lions.
http://stats.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/records/player/youngest_appearance.html?id=8;type=team
19 and 20 year olds capped in the professional era listed below. A bloody good list - only Zac stands out as not having a decent impact at the professional level.
19:
Lomu
Reiko Ioane
Toeava
20:
Rokocoko
Jeff Wilson
Cullen
Jordie Barrett
Sam Cane
Jerry Collins
Zac Guildford
Richie McCaw
Aaron MaugerThose are some damn good players, but bit of a mixed bag in terms of initial returns. Lets hope Jordie does a Cully. Fark that would be good.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Rapido said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Should maybe make this a separate poll, but who do people prefer/feel less terrified about at 15? The giraffe (Jordie) or Bastian Schweinsteiger (DMac)?
I'm thinking Giraffe because of his ability under the high ball. But Schweini is a better kicker.
I think I'd prefer to be having this conversation next year or in 2 years but it has been thrust upon us now.
I'm very interested to see how Jordie goes, had a nagging doubt about the ages of B Smith and Dagg looking ahead to 2019. Unexpected bonus to get this opportunity, although I'd prefer Ben to go through to 2019.
Capping a 20 year old is always a risk, particularly when he's only in his first season of Super rugby and not playing in his strongest position. Oh yeah, and its the deciding test against the Lions.
http://stats.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/records/player/youngest_appearance.html?id=8;type=team
19 and 20 year olds capped in the professional era listed below. A bloody good list - only Zac stands out as not having a decent impact at the professional level.
19:
Lomu
Reiko Ioane
Toeava
20:
Rokocoko
Jeff Wilson
Cullen
Jordie Barrett
Sam Cane
Jerry Collins
Zac Guildford
Richie McCaw
Aaron MaugerThose are some damn good players, but bit of a mixed bag in terms of initial returns. Lets hope Jordie does a Cully. Fark that would be good.
Not really a mixed bag, most are an unqualified success, Toeava and Guildford had some decent tests and alongside them I'd say only Mauger failed to fulfil his potential - he was outstanding as a 20/21 year old but never truly dominated after that.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Rapido said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Should maybe make this a separate poll, but who do people prefer/feel less terrified about at 15? The giraffe (Jordie) or Bastian Schweinsteiger (DMac)?
I'm thinking Giraffe because of his ability under the high ball. But Schweini is a better kicker.
I think I'd prefer to be having this conversation next year or in 2 years but it has been thrust upon us now.
I'm very interested to see how Jordie goes, had a nagging doubt about the ages of B Smith and Dagg looking ahead to 2019. Unexpected bonus to get this opportunity, although I'd prefer Ben to go through to 2019.
Capping a 20 year old is always a risk, particularly when he's only in his first season of Super rugby and not playing in his strongest position. Oh yeah, and its the deciding test against the Lions.
http://stats.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/records/player/youngest_appearance.html?id=8;type=team
19 and 20 year olds capped in the professional era listed below. A bloody good list - only Zac stands out as not having a decent impact at the professional level.
19:
Lomu
Reiko Ioane
Toeava
20:
Rokocoko
Jeff Wilson
Cullen
Jordie Barrett
Sam Cane
Jerry Collins
Zac Guildford
Richie McCaw
Aaron MaugerThose are some damn good players, but bit of a mixed bag in terms of initial returns. Lets hope Jordie does a Cully. Fark that would be good.
Not really a mixed bag, most are an unqualified success, Toeava and Guildford had some decent tests and alongside them I'd say only Mauger failed to fulfil his potential - he was outstanding as a 20/21 year old but never truly dominated after that.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Rapido said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Should maybe make this a separate poll, but who do people prefer/feel less terrified about at 15? The giraffe (Jordie) or Bastian Schweinsteiger (DMac)?
I'm thinking Giraffe because of his ability under the high ball. But Schweini is a better kicker.
I think I'd prefer to be having this conversation next year or in 2 years but it has been thrust upon us now.
I'm very interested to see how Jordie goes, had a nagging doubt about the ages of B Smith and Dagg looking ahead to 2019. Unexpected bonus to get this opportunity, although I'd prefer Ben to go through to 2019.
Capping a 20 year old is always a risk, particularly when he's only in his first season of Super rugby and not playing in his strongest position. Oh yeah, and its the deciding test against the Lions.
http://stats.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/records/player/youngest_appearance.html?id=8;type=team
19 and 20 year olds capped in the professional era listed below. A bloody good list - only Zac stands out as not having a decent impact at the professional level.
19:
Lomu
Reiko Ioane
Toeava
20:
Rokocoko
Jeff Wilson
Cullen
Jordie Barrett
Sam Cane
Jerry Collins
Zac Guildford
Richie McCaw
Aaron MaugerThose are some damn good players, but bit of a mixed bag in terms of initial returns. Lets hope Jordie does a Cully. Fark that would be good.
Not really a mixed bag, most are an unqualified success, Toeava and Guildford had some decent tests and alongside them I'd say only Mauger failed to fulfil his potential - he was outstanding as a 20/21 year old but never truly dominated after that.
@Nepia said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Not really a mixed bag, 90n% unqualified success,
Kind of my point I guess- everyone who has been picked young has been there for good reason. You can't see Shag and the boys picking on a hope - he must be delivering at trainings to do this.
Still a massive thing to start in the intensity of a deciding Lions test. This selection panel is brave, they are not conservative, and it pays off in the long run.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Rapido said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Should maybe make this a separate poll, but who do people prefer/feel less terrified about at 15? The giraffe (Jordie) or Bastian Schweinsteiger (DMac)?
I'm thinking Giraffe because of his ability under the high ball. But Schweini is a better kicker.
I think I'd prefer to be having this conversation next year or in 2 years but it has been thrust upon us now.
I'm very interested to see how Jordie goes, had a nagging doubt about the ages of B Smith and Dagg looking ahead to 2019. Unexpected bonus to get this opportunity, although I'd prefer Ben to go through to 2019.
Capping a 20 year old is always a risk, particularly when he's only in his first season of Super rugby and not playing in his strongest position. Oh yeah, and its the deciding test against the Lions.
http://stats.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/records/player/youngest_appearance.html?id=8;type=team
19 and 20 year olds capped in the professional era listed below. A bloody good list - only Zac stands out as not having a decent impact at the professional level.
19:
Lomu
Reiko Ioane
Toeava
20:
Rokocoko
Jeff Wilson
Cullen
Jordie Barrett
Sam Cane
Jerry Collins
Zac Guildford
Richie McCaw
Aaron MaugerThose are some damn good players, but bit of a mixed bag in terms of initial returns. Lets hope Jordie does a Cully. Fark that would be good.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Lets hope Jordie does a Cully. Fark that would be good.
I was at Cullen's debut test in Napier and will be at Eden Park.
That has to be a good omen, right? :fingers_crossed:
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@Canerbry said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Nepia Rancid bait.
Nope, Mauger should have been up with the Cullens, Wilsons etc after his first year yet he's only remembered as a good AB at best (outside of your province).
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Rapido said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Should maybe make this a separate poll, but who do people prefer/feel less terrified about at 15? The giraffe (Jordie) or Bastian Schweinsteiger (DMac)?
I'm thinking Giraffe because of his ability under the high ball. But Schweini is a better kicker.
I think I'd prefer to be having this conversation next year or in 2 years but it has been thrust upon us now.
I'm very interested to see how Jordie goes, had a nagging doubt about the ages of B Smith and Dagg looking ahead to 2019. Unexpected bonus to get this opportunity, although I'd prefer Ben to go through to 2019.
Capping a 20 year old is always a risk, particularly when he's only in his first season of Super rugby and not playing in his strongest position. Oh yeah, and its the deciding test against the Lions.
http://stats.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/records/player/youngest_appearance.html?id=8;type=team
19 and 20 year olds capped in the professional era listed below. A bloody good list - only Zac stands out as not having a decent impact at the professional level.
19:
Lomu
Reiko Ioane
Toeava
20:
Rokocoko
Jeff Wilson
Cullen
Jordie Barrett
Sam Cane
Jerry Collins
Zac Guildford
Richie McCaw
Aaron MaugerThose are some damn good players, but bit of a mixed bag in terms of initial returns. Lets hope Jordie does a Cully. Fark that would be good.
Not really a mixed bag, most are an unqualified success, Toeava and Guildford had some decent tests and alongside them I'd say only Mauger failed to fulfil his potential - he was outstanding as a 20/21 year old but never truly dominated after that.
@Nepia said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Rapido said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Should maybe make this a separate poll, but who do people prefer/feel less terrified about at 15? The giraffe (Jordie) or Bastian Schweinsteiger (DMac)?
I'm thinking Giraffe because of his ability under the high ball. But Schweini is a better kicker.
I think I'd prefer to be having this conversation next year or in 2 years but it has been thrust upon us now.
I'm very interested to see how Jordie goes, had a nagging doubt about the ages of B Smith and Dagg looking ahead to 2019. Unexpected bonus to get this opportunity, although I'd prefer Ben to go through to 2019.
Capping a 20 year old is always a risk, particularly when he's only in his first season of Super rugby and not playing in his strongest position. Oh yeah, and its the deciding test against the Lions.
http://stats.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/records/player/youngest_appearance.html?id=8;type=team
19 and 20 year olds capped in the professional era listed below. A bloody good list - only Zac stands out as not having a decent impact at the professional level.
19:
Lomu
Reiko Ioane
Toeava
20:
Rokocoko
Jeff Wilson
Cullen
Jordie Barrett
Sam Cane
Jerry Collins
Zac Guildford
Richie McCaw
Aaron MaugerThose are some damn good players, but bit of a mixed bag in terms of initial returns. Lets hope Jordie does a Cully. Fark that would be good.
Not really a mixed bag, 90n% unqualified success, Toeava and Guildford had some decent tests and alongside them I'd say only Mauger failed to fulfil his potential - he was outstanding as a 20/21 year old but never truly dominated after that.
I meant initial returns. Some were dropped pretty early, including Lomu, Wilson and now Ioane (was he really ill?). Jerry broke his leg. Cane, Guildford and Ice were projects. The ones who really smashed it from the start and kept on going are God, Joe Rok and Cullen. As you mentioned, Mauger was ridiculously good early on, but unfortunately never really excelled long term.
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@Canerbry said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Nepia Rancid bait.
He's right. When i first saw him in black i thought he would go on to be a great. But he never really kicked on, and wasn't even first choice by the end. Sort of blends in to the plethora of no more than decent 12s between Little and the good Nonu
Probably suffers from such high expectations, and good early form.
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@Canerbry said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@nzzp you'd rate Toeava's "impact" over Guidford?
At the professional level, every day of the week and twice on sunday.
Toeava played 35 tests for the ABs; Guildford 11.
Guildford's self destructed. We still miss Isiah. He was a hell of a player, with untapped potential
@nzzp said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Canerbry said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@nzzp you'd rate Toeava's "impact" over Guidford?
At the professional level, every day of the week and twice on sunday.
Toeava played 35 tests for the ABs; Guildford 11.
Guildford's self destructed. We still miss Isiah. He was a hell of a player, with untapped potential
I wonder if Davidav still reads this forum , out there somewhere ?
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@Canerbry said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@nzzp you'd rate Toeava's "impact" over Guidford?
I would
@booboo said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Canerbry said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@nzzp you'd rate Toeava's "impact" over Guidford?
I would
As would I, and Guildford's a Magpie, although sullied by the fact he also played for the Crusaders and Tahs ... in fact we can probably disregard my thoughts in that case.
