All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3
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@Megweya said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Interesting stat
The only stats that matter:
NZ 1
Lions 1
Drawn 1Forget Poite-gate - the ABs didn't take the game away from the Lions in the first 20 when they were on top.
True, we should have put that game to bed in the first half, but I bet if the shoe was on the other foot and poite had changed his mind to a wrong call you'd be equally as livid...or maybe the Lions are better at arguing with the ref than us.
2 shocking calls in the last minute of last 2 games....why wouldn't they have the same ref over 3 games? Graces should never have been given last week's game, Poite and Peyper yes, but I'd prefer they tried the same ref.
Poite wa not the reason we lost, but was a factor (rest were on us) in why we didn't win.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Megweya said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Interesting stat
The only stats that matter:
NZ 1
Lions 1
Drawn 1Forget Poite-gate - the ABs didn't take the game away from the Lions in the first 20 when they were on top.
True, we should have put that game to bed in the first half, but I bet if the shoe was on the other foot and poite had changed his mind to a wrong call you'd be equally as livid...or maybe the Lions are better at arguing with the ref than us.
2 shocking calls in the last minute of last 2 games....why wouldn't they have the same ref over 3 games? Graces should never have been given last week's game, Poite and Peyper yes, but I'd prefer they tried the same ref.
Poite wa not the reason we lost, but was a factor in why we didn't win.
Why would you want the same ref over 3 games?
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@KiwiMurph My Memory is that bad? Ok I guess I'll retract everything prior. Angus Gardiner is the guy I was thinking of. Thanks for helping out the old guy :-).
@broughie said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@KiwiMurph My Memory is that bad? Ok I guess I'll retract everything prior. Angus Gardiner is the guy I was thinking of. Thanks for helping out the old guy :-).
Sorry mate. Just a wee tetchy after the result.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Megweya said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Interesting stat
The only stats that matter:
NZ 1
Lions 1
Drawn 1Forget Poite-gate - the ABs didn't take the game away from the Lions in the first 20 when they were on top.
True, we should have put that game to bed in the first half, but I bet if the shoe was on the other foot and poite had changed his mind to a wrong call you'd be equally as livid...or maybe the Lions are better at arguing with the ref than us.
2 shocking calls in the last minute of last 2 games....why wouldn't they have the same ref over 3 games? Graces should never have been given last week's game, Poite and Peyper yes, but I'd prefer they tried the same ref.
Poite wa not the reason we lost, but was a factor in why we didn't win.
Why would you want the same ref over 3 games?
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@Rapido consistency
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Rapido consistency
Not sure that could be achieved with any of those three refs
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@broughie said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@KiwiMurph My Memory is that bad? Ok I guess I'll retract everything prior. Angus Gardiner is the guy I was thinking of. Thanks for helping out the old guy :-).
Sorry mate. Just a wee tetchy after the result.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Rapido consistency
Not sure that could be achieved with any of those three refs
@booboo maybe not...I'd be interested to see how it worked as players would be better served by the differing interpretations from the ref.
Am sure it wouldn't be perfect either but this way is not ideal either when you hafe at least 1 woefully out of his depth.
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@Rapido consistency
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Rapido consistency
I wouldn't be onboard for that.
Seems a bit isolationist. Need constant exposure to all the different refs imo (as a team). -
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Rapido consistency
I wouldn't be onboard for that.
Seems a bit isolationist. Need constant exposure to all the different refs imo (as a team).@Rapido yea not ideal but better have 1 good ref for 3 games than 1 good one, one average and one poor?
Guess it's just still sucks that 2 games outcomes have been determined by 2 poor refereeing decisions (that a sole ref could still have made) although to leave your fate in the hands of an official (again) is a bigger concern
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@Tim I think he's really only there for injury cover. A genuine lock that is a very good lineout option. They basically play the two starters for the whole game if they haven't got injured. Scott came on tonight for what 5 minutes?
I know this doesn't fit your Luatua argument
but if Squire is fit, he's in the 23.@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Tim I think he's really only there for injury cover. A genuine lock that is a very good lineout option. They basically play the two starters for the whole game if they haven't got injured. Scott came on tonight for what 5 minutes?
I know this doesn't fit your Luatua argument
but if Squire is fit, he's in the 23.And Squire was injured for the entire series. Picking an injured player ahead of Luatua was another Hansen stroke of genius.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Tim I think he's really only there for injury cover. A genuine lock that is a very good lineout option. They basically play the two starters for the whole game if they haven't got injured. Scott came on tonight for what 5 minutes?
I know this doesn't fit your Luatua argument
but if Squire is fit, he's in the 23.And Squire was injured for the entire series. Picking an injured player ahead of Luatua was another Hansen stroke of genius.
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Could be an interesting season with a few more twists and turns yet ,
Havent seen them myself, but all reports are saying the Boks are turning the corner ,and starting to look the real deal
England at twickers later onNot trolling here, but I find that incredible.
I can understand the average Kiwi supporter being unfamiliar with a lot of the BIL players, and vice versa.
But not to have watched the SA provinces and /or SA national team and not know the calibre of your upcoming opponents when you play in the same competition each year is baffling.
Their teams are shit, we hardly play them, the games are on at 3 am and their tests were after the Lions. Most people only have time to watch 2-3 games a weekend. Better to watch the NZ teams.
@hydro11 said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Could be an interesting season with a few more twists and turns yet ,
Havent seen them myself, but all reports are saying the Boks are turning the corner ,and starting to look the real deal
England at twickers later onNot trolling here, but I find that incredible.
I can understand the average Kiwi supporter being unfamiliar with a lot of the BIL players, and vice versa.
But not to have watched the SA provinces and /or SA national team and not know the calibre of your upcoming opponents when you play in the same competition each year is baffling.
Their teams are shit, we hardly play them, the games are on at 3 am and their tests were after the Lions. Most people only have time to watch 2-3 games a weekend. Better to watch the NZ teams.
There are these two things called the internet and being able to record tv programmes to watch at your leisure
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Utterly ridiculous that Jordie wasn't kicking.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11736133
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@hydro11 said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Could be an interesting season with a few more twists and turns yet ,
Havent seen them myself, but all reports are saying the Boks are turning the corner ,and starting to look the real deal
England at twickers later onNot trolling here, but I find that incredible.
I can understand the average Kiwi supporter being unfamiliar with a lot of the BIL players, and vice versa.
But not to have watched the SA provinces and /or SA national team and not know the calibre of your upcoming opponents when you play in the same competition each year is baffling.
Their teams are shit, we hardly play them, the games are on at 3 am and their tests were after the Lions. Most people only have time to watch 2-3 games a weekend. Better to watch the NZ teams.
There are these two things called the internet and being able to record tv programmes to watch at your leisure
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@hydro11 said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Could be an interesting season with a few more twists and turns yet ,
Havent seen them myself, but all reports are saying the Boks are turning the corner ,and starting to look the real deal
England at twickers later onNot trolling here, but I find that incredible.
I can understand the average Kiwi supporter being unfamiliar with a lot of the BIL players, and vice versa.
But not to have watched the SA provinces and /or SA national team and not know the calibre of your upcoming opponents when you play in the same competition each year is baffling.
Their teams are shit, we hardly play them, the games are on at 3 am and their tests were after the Lions. Most people only have time to watch 2-3 games a weekend. Better to watch the NZ teams.
There are these two things called the internet and being able to record tv programmes to watch at your leisure
How does the internet help with anything I said? Also I can't record TV, FTR. You also didn't address the points that their teams are shit and most people only have time to watch three games a weekend. South Africa are in the NH timezone. As much reason to watch NH rugby as there is to watch them.
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@hydro11 said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Could be an interesting season with a few more twists and turns yet ,
Havent seen them myself, but all reports are saying the Boks are turning the corner ,and starting to look the real deal
England at twickers later onNot trolling here, but I find that incredible.
I can understand the average Kiwi supporter being unfamiliar with a lot of the BIL players, and vice versa.
But not to have watched the SA provinces and /or SA national team and not know the calibre of your upcoming opponents when you play in the same competition each year is baffling.
Their teams are shit, we hardly play them, the games are on at 3 am and their tests were after the Lions. Most people only have time to watch 2-3 games a weekend. Better to watch the NZ teams.
There are these two things called the internet and being able to record tv programmes to watch at your leisure
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@hydro11 said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Could be an interesting season with a few more twists and turns yet ,
Havent seen them myself, but all reports are saying the Boks are turning the corner ,and starting to look the real deal
England at twickers later onNot trolling here, but I find that incredible.
I can understand the average Kiwi supporter being unfamiliar with a lot of the BIL players, and vice versa.
But not to have watched the SA provinces and /or SA national team and not know the calibre of your upcoming opponents when you play in the same competition each year is baffling.
Their teams are shit, we hardly play them, the games are on at 3 am and their tests were after the Lions. Most people only have time to watch 2-3 games a weekend. Better to watch the NZ teams.
There are these two things called the internet and being able to record tv programmes to watch at your leisure
WhiteMike - you're normally sensible, but... "baffling" ? You watch Italian and French club games? And figure out the 6N form from that?
Re-reading - yeah, we play SA each year... but what VictorianKiwi was saying was that this SA team is shaping up to be something different than last year. -
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@hydro11 said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Could be an interesting season with a few more twists and turns yet ,
Havent seen them myself, but all reports are saying the Boks are turning the corner ,and starting to look the real deal
England at twickers later onNot trolling here, but I find that incredible.
I can understand the average Kiwi supporter being unfamiliar with a lot of the BIL players, and vice versa.
But not to have watched the SA provinces and /or SA national team and not know the calibre of your upcoming opponents when you play in the same competition each year is baffling.
Their teams are shit, we hardly play them, the games are on at 3 am and their tests were after the Lions. Most people only have time to watch 2-3 games a weekend. Better to watch the NZ teams.
There are these two things called the internet and being able to record tv programmes to watch at your leisure
How does the internet help with anything I said? Also I can't record TV, FTR. You also didn't address the points that their teams are shit and most people only have time to watch three games a weekend. South Africa are in the NH timezone. As much reason to watch NH rugby as there is to watch them.
@hydro11 said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
You also didn't address the points that their teams are shit and most people only have time to watch three games a weekend. South Africa are in the NH timezone. As much reason to watch NH rugby as there is to watch them.This.
There's saturation, too. With S12, if you watched 5 games a weekend you wer ebasically up to date. The quality was good, too. These days I'm lucky to watch a game a weekend, and it's just not worth watching non-NZ sides becuase (frankly) they are generally rubbish. Hell, I struggle to watch the Blues in SA - the timing is terrible with a young family.
Trying to follow 6 SA sides with diluted talent is just not on. I've got better things to do in my life other than that.
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For all those saying Gatland isn't fit to coach the ABs,
Graham Henry won 11 consecutive games as Wales coach, but won no silverware. And failed miserably as a Lions coach.
Steve Hansen won no silverware as Wales coach.
Gatland has won silverware for Wales and won & shared a series as Lions coach.
Give him the best cattle and he may become the best farmer.
And I'm not a Gatland fanboy, but appreciate what he's achieved.
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Utterly ridiculous that Jordie wasn't kicking.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11736133
@SammyC said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Utterly ridiculous that Jordie wasn't kicking.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11736133
Any other AB coach would have been crucified for this nonsensical decision. Hansen does lead a charmed life when it comes to the media. Let's give our 2nd best kicker the kicking duties since he has seniority. Total BS call.
