All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3
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@hydro11 I don't know how I would've combatted the rush defence - my fulltime job isn't coaching the All Blacks. I probably wouldn't have used the inside channel scheme in every game, and wouldn't have kicked so much ball away in the second half. More offloading runs from forwards (see Luatua vs the Lions) would've been nice.
The lack of impact from the bench was very noticeable in this series. S Barrett and A Savea simply aren't big or physical enough to have much impact against a large, quality pack like the Lions. Romano and Luatua would've been better options, with the (excellent) Cane playing 80 mins.
But then again, as Hansen put it, "it's just a game."
@Tim said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@hydro11 I don't know how I would've combatted the rush defence - my fulltime job isn't coaching the All Blacks. I probably wouldn't have used the inside channel scheme in every game, and wouldn't have kicked so much ball away in the second half. More offloading runs from forwards (see Luatua vs the Lions) would've been nice.
The lack of impact from the bench was very noticeable in this series. S Barrett and A Savea simply aren't big or physical enough to have much impact against a large, quality pack like the Lions. Romano and Luatua would've been better options, with the (excellent) Cane playing 80 mins.
But then again, as Hansen put it, "it's just a game."
NQ is right. We created more than enough chances to win the game handsomely. We just failed to execute the last pass too many times. Keep calm and carry on!!
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Nowe that I'm sober, Poite should be held to account for this.
@antipodean said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Nowe that I'm sober, Poite should be held to account for this.
Accidental offside is still offside
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Nowe that I'm sober, Poite should be held to account for this.
Accidental offside is still offside
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Nowe that I'm sober, Poite should be held to account for this.
Accidental offside is still offside
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@canefan an accidental forearm to the head is still accidental, except last week
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@canefan an accidental forearm to the head is still accidental, except last week
don't get me started about JK's YC. Read should have argued the Sean O'Brien defence. No closed fist, no marks on Jerome's arm.....
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I'm with @Tim on Hansen getting stale. Too many stupid media games last week, then suddenly 'ah, it's just a game this week' (taking a pay cut accordingly then I assume), some odd selections, and a team that regressed on their basic skills during the series.
Agree with the comments on never wanting Gatland to coach the AB's, but it better not be Ian Fucking Foster either...
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
I'm with @Tim on Hansen getting stale. Too many stupid media games last week, then suddenly 'ah, it's just a game this week' (taking a pay cut accordingly then I assume), some odd selections, and a team that regressed on their basic skills during the series.
Agree with the comments on never wanting Gatland to coach the AB's, but it better not be Ian Fucking Foster either...
When I saw Fekitoa on, I thought uh-oh here goes Hansens "1-2 punch" in midfield - last roll of the dice. Telegraphed or what. I think Hansen must shoulder some responsibility for selection and lack of a constructive plan B and C when A was plainly not working.. Yes he has got stale. I also think it highlights how badly our once powerful next door neighbours (SA and Aus) have fallen away, and it seems like rugby's power base may just have shifted ever so slightly in favour of the North.
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@Donsteppa said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
I'm with @Tim on Hansen getting stale. Too many stupid media games last week, then suddenly 'ah, it's just a game this week' (taking a pay cut accordingly then I assume), some odd selections, and a team that regressed on their basic skills during the series.
Agree with the comments on never wanting Gatland to coach the AB's, but it better not be Ian Fucking Foster either...
When I saw Fekitoa on, I thought uh-oh here goes Hansens "1-2 punch" in midfield - last roll of the dice. Telegraphed or what. I think Hansen must shoulder some responsibility for selection and lack of a constructive plan B and C when A was plainly not working.. Yes he has got stale. I also think it highlights how badly our once powerful next door neighbours (SA and Aus) have fallen away, and it seems like rugby's power base may just have shifted ever so slightly in favour of the North.
@Crash said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
I'm with @Tim on Hansen getting stale. Too many stupid media games last week, then suddenly 'ah, it's just a game this week' (taking a pay cut accordingly then I assume), some odd selections, and a team that regressed on their basic skills during the series.
Agree with the comments on never wanting Gatland to coach the AB's, but it better not be Ian Fucking Foster either...
When I saw Fekitoa on, I thought uh-oh here goes Hansens "1-2 punch" in midfield - last roll of the dice. Telegraphed or what. I think Hansen must shoulder some responsibility for selection and lack of a constructive plan B and C when A was plainly not working.. Yes he has got stale. I also think it highlights how badly our once powerful next door neighbours (SA and Aus) have fallen away, and it seems like rugby's power base may just have shifted ever so slightly in favour of the North.
So do you want to install the Lions as favourites to win the RWC 2019 right now?
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@Donsteppa said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
I'm with @Tim on Hansen getting stale. Too many stupid media games last week, then suddenly 'ah, it's just a game this week' (taking a pay cut accordingly then I assume), some odd selections, and a team that regressed on their basic skills during the series.
Agree with the comments on never wanting Gatland to coach the AB's, but it better not be Ian Fucking Foster either...
When I saw Fekitoa on, I thought uh-oh here goes Hansens "1-2 punch" in midfield - last roll of the dice. Telegraphed or what. I think Hansen must shoulder some responsibility for selection and lack of a constructive plan B and C when A was plainly not working.. Yes he has got stale. I also think it highlights how badly our once powerful next door neighbours (SA and Aus) have fallen away, and it seems like rugby's power base may just have shifted ever so slightly in favour of the North.
@Crash I'd argue that when Fekitoa came on, we were on plan C or D already
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@Crash said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
I'm with @Tim on Hansen getting stale. Too many stupid media games last week, then suddenly 'ah, it's just a game this week' (taking a pay cut accordingly then I assume), some odd selections, and a team that regressed on their basic skills during the series.
Agree with the comments on never wanting Gatland to coach the AB's, but it better not be Ian Fucking Foster either...
When I saw Fekitoa on, I thought uh-oh here goes Hansens "1-2 punch" in midfield - last roll of the dice. Telegraphed or what. I think Hansen must shoulder some responsibility for selection and lack of a constructive plan B and C when A was plainly not working.. Yes he has got stale. I also think it highlights how badly our once powerful next door neighbours (SA and Aus) have fallen away, and it seems like rugby's power base may just have shifted ever so slightly in favour of the North.
So do you want to install the Lions as favourites to win the RWC 2019 right now?
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@Crash said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@canefan That's just silly. But at least this gives us a good reality check two years out.
Just answering you in kind mate
I do agree it is a good shot in the arm, we will need it if we have any chance to go for the threepeat -
@Crash Yeah, I still think England are stronger than the Lions. Ireland are bloody good and Wales have the talent to compete against the best as well. At the present time, it's fair to say that the power base has shifted slightly to the North.
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Nowe that I'm sober, Poite should be held to account for this.
@antipodean said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Nowe that I'm sober, Poite should be held to account for this.
I missed the exchange live. Thanks for posting.
That's atrocious officiating.
"We all agree? Cool ... nah fuck it I'm inventing something else ..."
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the fact that the NH teams always talk about the 'aura' and 'mystique' just means there is one, in thier minds anyway.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
the fact that the NH teams always talk about the 'aura' and 'mystique' just means there is one, in thier minds anyway.
The aura and mystique had it's genesis in a 70% record.
We've been going at 90%.
How come we've list aura?
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The look on Reads face is 'you are farking kidding right'
Warburton is like 'holy shit, another rule we didnt know about before we got here, but this is a good one'
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Nowe that I'm sober, Poite should be held to account for this.
Accidental offside is still offside
@canefan said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Nowe that I'm sober, Poite should be held to account for this.
Accidental offside is still offside
No it's not. Accidental offside is a scrum. Occurs when a ball is propelled into an offside player who doesn't play at it.
Owens moved his arm to catch it. Reflex action but he played at it. If he just let it hit him without moving to catch it it is accidental offside.
Marshall, surprisingly, was wrong in commentary.
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@canefan said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Nowe that I'm sober, Poite should be held to account for this.
Accidental offside is still offside
No it's not. Accidental offside is a scrum. Occurs when a ball is propelled into an offside player who doesn't play at it.
Owens moved his arm to catch it. Reflex action but he played at it. If he just let it hit him without moving to catch it it is accidental offside.
Marshall, surprisingly, was wrong in commentary.
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If people can't see Owens played at the ball, they should get a seeing eye dog.
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@Crash Yeah, I still think England are stronger than the Lions. Ireland are bloody good and Wales have the talent to compete against the best as well. At the present time, it's fair to say that the power base has shifted slightly to the North.
@akan004 said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Crash Yeah, I still think England are stronger than the Lions. Ireland are bloody good and Wales have the talent to compete against the best as well. At the present time, it's fair to say that the power base has shifted slightly to the North.
So we won game 1 in a canter, we got a man sent off early in the 2nd game and still created enough pen chances to win the game anyway, and mistakes cost us a game 3 win that was there for the taking with the Lions barely hanging on at times. If you are talking about the quality of the Oz and Saffa teams they are letting the SH down. But we are still right up there at the summit
