All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3
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@Rocky-Rockbottom said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Now that I think about it both teams were a bit shit.
Lions had a burl didnt look really likely at all and fucked up plenty, wonky lineouts, knock ons etc.
And NZ with too many fuckups to capitalise. If that performance was trundled out by the 2015 vintage there'd be calls for heads to roll.
Some of it has to be on the captain. Fuck the ref, he was always goign to be suspect and shouldve been removed from computations well before the 79th minute. Yes, there's some newbie 2nd stringers in there but the blue heads of yesteryear seem to have gone a bit red headed stepsister. Shouldve been enough caps in that AB pack to find away after all the Lions flubs.
Hansen seems quite content with a draw. In fact, the whole coaching staff seem like a very cosy and content little cabal of tenured ivory towered professors. And who's next? Preordained. Yes, it's tonights fucking AB attack coach! Ian fucking Foster. He's Shag's mate! Fuck this, now I'm getting annoyed. Where's the accountability?
I unserstood very little about this, but fuck it needs to be posted again.
I still need to have relaxing music on to write this as the end was very unsatisfying;
You just have to admire the Lions, going from a 'divided scrap team' to drawing a series with the All Blacks, is something you only get the chance to see every 12 years. We got to see that shit. Was a blast for a couple of weeks.
The Lions had a defence that was second to none, they were like rabid dogs from game to game, something the AB's were not exactly used to.
And what was the more important thing, they just refused to drop off. We can talk about the refs, the cards the everything, but in the end the Wallabies would still have lost this series 100-0, whereas the lions dug very deep to draw it and that is a win for rugby.Now I am not the leading analyst, but in the end I see very little between those two teams, and I just can't be mad about a draw. None of those 46 players deserve to walk out of this as a 'Lions series loser'.
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Do people really think it was the game plan's fault we did not win last night? It seems obvious to me that the problem was in our execution. We conceded 22 turnovers. You don't win many games conceding that much ball. I judge a coach on a game plan. It's the responsibility of the players to execute that game plan. That did not do that so this loss is on them.
@hydro11 said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Do people really think it was the game plan's fault we did not win last night? It seems obvious to me that the problem was in our execution. We conceded 22 turnovers. You don't win many games conceding that much ball. I judge a coach on a game plan. It's the responsibility of the players to execute that game plan. That did not do that so this loss is on them.
He's got to share the blame as well. Playing so flat was high risk. Seems okay at training runs, but a rushing Lions defence, I don't know. Could explain the high turnover rate as well.
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Read still has alot to learn about managing the ref.
The most he seemed to query was the 'tackle in the air' and the 'accidental not off side' calls.
Ref kept telling the Lions to hurry up at lineout time yet failed to give a free kick, I do wonder if Sexton going down was a ploy too. Ref gets him off for a HIA ffs!
Lions did a superb job of slowing the game down and the ref allowed them to do so, especially when we needed to keep it going to keep them under high tempo pressure, like his counterpart (who along with the rest of his team was at the ref often) Read must do better with the ref, similarly last week with the run of penalties he should have calling for a YC.
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@hydro11 said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Do people really think it was the game plan's fault we did not win last night? It seems obvious to me that the problem was in our execution. We conceded 22 turnovers. You don't win many games conceding that much ball. I judge a coach on a game plan. It's the responsibility of the players to execute that game plan. That did not do that so this loss is on them.
He's got to share the blame as well. Playing so flat was high risk. Seems okay at training runs, but a rushing Lions defence, I don't know. Could explain the high turnover rate as well.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@hydro11 said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Do people really think it was the game plan's fault we did not win last night? It seems obvious to me that the problem was in our execution. We conceded 22 turnovers. You don't win many games conceding that much ball. I judge a coach on a game plan. It's the responsibility of the players to execute that game plan. That did not do that so this loss is on them.
He's got to share the blame as well. Playing so flat was high risk. Seems okay at training runs, but a rushing Lions defence, I don't know. Could explain the high turnover rate as well.
The short passes as players were about to get tackled just didn't work last night
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@taniwharugby Yeah, agreed. But we have to also factor in that the NH players are shattered at the end of their 10 month long season, and are not at their best either.
I think the unhappiest person last night would have been Michael Cheika. I would expect the ABs to be really switched on in Sydney next month and hopefully we will have all of our injured players back too.
@akan004 said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@taniwharugby Yeah, agreed. But we have to also factor in that the NH players are shattered at the end of their 10 month long season, and are not at their best either.
I think the unhappiest person last night would have been Michael Cheika. I would expect the ABs to be really switched on in Sydney next month and hopefully we will have all of our injured players back too.
thats what I meant, we go on our EOYT at the end of our season too...so neither is in ideal form at the right time, aside form the RWC when seasons are geared toward it.
Reckon the ABs could tour and play the Lions in the UK
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Stats back up there was fuck all in it!
I'd say from that, our tackle %, defenders beaten and clean breaks are biggest issues
@taniwharugby I reckon many of the missed tackles were from us being short handed in game 2
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interesting it appears Garces has made the call that lead to Poite changing his mind...
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interesting it appears Garces has made the call that lead to Poite changing his mind...
@taniwharugby Really! The same ref who called the "Have to penalize you for tackling the man in the air because it is the rules" guy? Well, there is logic and then there are the French refs.........
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@taniwharugby Really! The same ref who called the "Have to penalize you for tackling the man in the air because it is the rules" guy? Well, there is logic and then there are the French refs.........
@Samurai-Jack this is according to TV1 news, so is 50/50 whether accurate or not.
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oh, I reckon Jerome Kaino in super rugby would have been cited AND had time off for that last night, but the board shat the bed last week with SOB and had no choice but to ignore it.
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I agree with Jordie not kicking last night. I don't think it was discussed on here before the game but it would have been interesting to know what the collective fern view would have been around whether Jordie should kick or not. There were many on here nervous about Jordie merely starting let alone handing him the kicking tee as well.
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I admit I was happy to settle for the draw in the end last night. When time was up and the ABs were running it I was hoping we would kick it out. I had visions of us knocking on, the Lions counter attacking, us defending like crazy and the mad frenchman pulling a kickable penalty out of his arse for the Lions. I don't think I would have ever gotten over that.
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The positives over the series
- Scrum
- We didn't lose the series
- New caps were more than decent
- This will be more than useful experience come 2019
Moving forward
- More X-factor off the bench. Would be great to see the big units Tuipolotou and Ioane really step up. Barrett was disappointing.
- Get Sopoaga up to speed.
- Back 3 needs a revamp. A bit meh. Jordie, Rieko look like future.
I look more forward to the NH tour than the RC
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From what I've seen in June and July, only the Saffas will give you a game in the Championship
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
From what I've seen in June and July, only the Saffas will give you a game in the Championship
For whatever reason , the aussies usually save their game of the year for us in sydney , last year excepted ,
We have to usually put form aside for that one .
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Looking into my crystal Ball , im not talking immediately
if Jordie kicks on ,which most tend to think he will, i can see Dagg being the unlucky one ,
With perhaps B smith moving back to the right wing where he plays so well anyway , particularly on the kick chase,
with the big hua being a goalkicking fullback.
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Jesus I know some crap people. Hilariously, most of the lions fans yesterday were saying "oh but you wouldn't have wanted to win on a technicality, how bad would that have been". Get fucked you jump into tackle morons.
Why is an article about Barrett's kicking in 2016 being dredged up as some indicator Hansen is mental? It's over halfway through 2017, show me those stats.
As someone said yesterday, I fear WR are going to remain silent on Poite and Garces, which is shithouse. Garces was just incompetent, but Poite showed some next level dodgyness. They should be fucking hauled.
