All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3
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Do people really think it was the game plan's fault we did not win last night? It seems obvious to me that the problem was in our execution. We conceded 22 turnovers. You don't win many games conceding that much ball. I judge a coach on a game plan. It's the responsibility of the players to execute that game plan. That did not do that so this loss is on them.
@hydro11 said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Do people really think it was the game plan's fault we did not win last night? It seems obvious to me that the problem was in our execution. We conceded 22 turnovers. You don't win many games conceding that much ball. I judge a coach on a game plan. It's the responsibility of the players to execute that game plan. That did not do that so this loss is on them.
He's got to share the blame as well. Playing so flat was high risk. Seems okay at training runs, but a rushing Lions defence, I don't know. Could explain the high turnover rate as well.
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Read still has alot to learn about managing the ref.
The most he seemed to query was the 'tackle in the air' and the 'accidental not off side' calls.
Ref kept telling the Lions to hurry up at lineout time yet failed to give a free kick, I do wonder if Sexton going down was a ploy too. Ref gets him off for a HIA ffs!
Lions did a superb job of slowing the game down and the ref allowed them to do so, especially when we needed to keep it going to keep them under high tempo pressure, like his counterpart (who along with the rest of his team was at the ref often) Read must do better with the ref, similarly last week with the run of penalties he should have calling for a YC.
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@hydro11 said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Do people really think it was the game plan's fault we did not win last night? It seems obvious to me that the problem was in our execution. We conceded 22 turnovers. You don't win many games conceding that much ball. I judge a coach on a game plan. It's the responsibility of the players to execute that game plan. That did not do that so this loss is on them.
He's got to share the blame as well. Playing so flat was high risk. Seems okay at training runs, but a rushing Lions defence, I don't know. Could explain the high turnover rate as well.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@hydro11 said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Do people really think it was the game plan's fault we did not win last night? It seems obvious to me that the problem was in our execution. We conceded 22 turnovers. You don't win many games conceding that much ball. I judge a coach on a game plan. It's the responsibility of the players to execute that game plan. That did not do that so this loss is on them.
He's got to share the blame as well. Playing so flat was high risk. Seems okay at training runs, but a rushing Lions defence, I don't know. Could explain the high turnover rate as well.
The short passes as players were about to get tackled just didn't work last night
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@taniwharugby Yeah, agreed. But we have to also factor in that the NH players are shattered at the end of their 10 month long season, and are not at their best either.
I think the unhappiest person last night would have been Michael Cheika. I would expect the ABs to be really switched on in Sydney next month and hopefully we will have all of our injured players back too.
@akan004 said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@taniwharugby Yeah, agreed. But we have to also factor in that the NH players are shattered at the end of their 10 month long season, and are not at their best either.
I think the unhappiest person last night would have been Michael Cheika. I would expect the ABs to be really switched on in Sydney next month and hopefully we will have all of our injured players back too.
thats what I meant, we go on our EOYT at the end of our season too...so neither is in ideal form at the right time, aside form the RWC when seasons are geared toward it.
Reckon the ABs could tour and play the Lions in the UK
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Stats back up there was fuck all in it!
I'd say from that, our tackle %, defenders beaten and clean breaks are biggest issues
@taniwharugby I reckon many of the missed tackles were from us being short handed in game 2
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interesting it appears Garces has made the call that lead to Poite changing his mind...
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interesting it appears Garces has made the call that lead to Poite changing his mind...
@taniwharugby Really! The same ref who called the "Have to penalize you for tackling the man in the air because it is the rules" guy? Well, there is logic and then there are the French refs.........
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@taniwharugby Really! The same ref who called the "Have to penalize you for tackling the man in the air because it is the rules" guy? Well, there is logic and then there are the French refs.........
@Samurai-Jack this is according to TV1 news, so is 50/50 whether accurate or not.
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oh, I reckon Jerome Kaino in super rugby would have been cited AND had time off for that last night, but the board shat the bed last week with SOB and had no choice but to ignore it.
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I agree with Jordie not kicking last night. I don't think it was discussed on here before the game but it would have been interesting to know what the collective fern view would have been around whether Jordie should kick or not. There were many on here nervous about Jordie merely starting let alone handing him the kicking tee as well.
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I admit I was happy to settle for the draw in the end last night. When time was up and the ABs were running it I was hoping we would kick it out. I had visions of us knocking on, the Lions counter attacking, us defending like crazy and the mad frenchman pulling a kickable penalty out of his arse for the Lions. I don't think I would have ever gotten over that.
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The positives over the series
- Scrum
- We didn't lose the series
- New caps were more than decent
- This will be more than useful experience come 2019
Moving forward
- More X-factor off the bench. Would be great to see the big units Tuipolotou and Ioane really step up. Barrett was disappointing.
- Get Sopoaga up to speed.
- Back 3 needs a revamp. A bit meh. Jordie, Rieko look like future.
I look more forward to the NH tour than the RC
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From what I've seen in June and July, only the Saffas will give you a game in the Championship
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
From what I've seen in June and July, only the Saffas will give you a game in the Championship
For whatever reason , the aussies usually save their game of the year for us in sydney , last year excepted ,
We have to usually put form aside for that one .
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Looking into my crystal Ball , im not talking immediately
if Jordie kicks on ,which most tend to think he will, i can see Dagg being the unlucky one ,
With perhaps B smith moving back to the right wing where he plays so well anyway , particularly on the kick chase,
with the big hua being a goalkicking fullback.
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Jesus I know some crap people. Hilariously, most of the lions fans yesterday were saying "oh but you wouldn't have wanted to win on a technicality, how bad would that have been". Get fucked you jump into tackle morons.
Why is an article about Barrett's kicking in 2016 being dredged up as some indicator Hansen is mental? It's over halfway through 2017, show me those stats.
As someone said yesterday, I fear WR are going to remain silent on Poite and Garces, which is shithouse. Garces was just incompetent, but Poite showed some next level dodgyness. They should be fucking hauled.
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so what is the general feeling from Lions fans about the draw, TV1 news probably only showed the ones that were stoked, claiming it was as good as a win, but surely they dont all feel that way?
For me a draw is a loss, cos we didnt win...
I'm just speculating here, but is the alleged satisfaction with a drawn series down to soccer being the dominant sport in the NH and you see more draws so therefore a draw is often an acceptable result?
