All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3
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I agree with Jordie not kicking last night. I don't think it was discussed on here before the game but it would have been interesting to know what the collective fern view would have been around whether Jordie should kick or not. There were many on here nervous about Jordie merely starting let alone handing him the kicking tee as well.
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
I agree with Jordie not kicking last night. I don't think it was discussed on here before the game but it would have been interesting to know what the collective fern view would have been around whether Jordie should kick or not. There were many on here nervous about Jordie merely starting let alone handing him the kicking tee as well.
Would have been a pretty crazy move in my opinion. I think it was ACT who pointed out that players aren't robots.
20 year old kid having his first test start in the biggest test outside a RWC play-off game? That's more than enough pressure to deal with.
You ask him to take the kicks as well, there's no guarantee you get the same outcome from him in the rest of his game.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
I agree with Jordie not kicking last night. I don't think it was discussed on here before the game but it would have been interesting to know what the collective fern view would have been around whether Jordie should kick or not. There were many on here nervous about Jordie merely starting let alone handing him the kicking tee as well.
Would have been a pretty crazy move in my opinion. I think it was ACT who pointed out that players aren't robots.
20 year old kid having his first test start in the biggest test outside a RWC play-off game? That's more than enough pressure to deal with.
You ask him to take the kicks as well, there's no guarantee you get the same outcome from him in the rest of his game.
@Chris-B. said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
I agree with Jordie not kicking last night. I don't think it was discussed on here before the game but it would have been interesting to know what the collective fern view would have been around whether Jordie should kick or not. There were many on here nervous about Jordie merely starting let alone handing him the kicking tee as well.
Would have been a pretty crazy move in my opinion. I think it was ACT who pointed out that players aren't robots.
20 year old kid having his first test start in the biggest test outside a RWC play-off game? That's more than enough pressure to deal with.
You ask him to take the kicks as well, there's no guarantee you get the same outcome from him in the rest of his game.
I reckon he could have handled it though. Lima Sopoaga kicked the goals and ran the cutter against the Boks on debut at Ellis Park, kicking the winner. Class is class
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@Chris-B. said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
I agree with Jordie not kicking last night. I don't think it was discussed on here before the game but it would have been interesting to know what the collective fern view would have been around whether Jordie should kick or not. There were many on here nervous about Jordie merely starting let alone handing him the kicking tee as well.
Would have been a pretty crazy move in my opinion. I think it was ACT who pointed out that players aren't robots.
20 year old kid having his first test start in the biggest test outside a RWC play-off game? That's more than enough pressure to deal with.
You ask him to take the kicks as well, there's no guarantee you get the same outcome from him in the rest of his game.
I reckon he could have handled it though. Lima Sopoaga kicked the goals and ran the cutter against the Boks on debut at Ellis Park, kicking the winner. Class is class
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Not sure where all this love for Tuipolotu is coming from. Has anyone watched him this year? He is a miles away from being an AB/making the Auckland team. Shouldn't be talked about again until he is worth the jersey. Size is only the start.
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Not sure where all this love for Tuipolotu is coming from. Has anyone watched him this year? He is a miles away from being an AB/making the Auckland team. Shouldn't be talked about again until he is worth the jersey. Size is only the start.
@kev said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Not sure where all this love for Tuipolotu is coming from. Has anyone watched him this year? He is a miles away from being an AB/making the Auckland team. Shouldn't be talked about again until he is worth the jersey. Size is only the start.
This year vs. What we've seen him deliver previously
If he can get to the level we know he can deliver
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Not sure where all this love for Tuipolotu is coming from. Has anyone watched him this year? He is a miles away from being an AB/making the Auckland team. Shouldn't be talked about again until he is worth the jersey. Size is only the start.
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Interesting to hear Hansen say this morning that Ben Smith will be available this weekend for the Highlanders. This being the case, surely he should have started or at least sat on the bench against the Lions.
@akan004 said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Interesting to hear Hansen say this morning that Ben Smith will be available this weekend for the Highlanders. This being the case, surely he should have started or at least sat on the bench against the Lions.
So you don't think an extra week does anything for the recovery process? I have absolutely no problem with a player, even when said player could help our chances of winning, being given as much time to recover from a head knock.
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Nowe that I'm sober, Poite should be held to account for this.
@antipodean said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Nowe that I'm sober, Poite should be held to account for this.
Excellent captaincy from Warburton to get Poite to have a look and create doubt.
And arguably it should have been a penalty against Read.
Whilst he did attempt to catch the ball, the fact of the matter is he missed it, turned his shoulder and hit Williams in the air.
If Williams hadn't been clattered he'd have caught the ball, and the Owens would have been out of the picture.
But no penalty against Read means legitimate challenge in the air, which means penalty against Owens.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Nowe that I'm sober, Poite should be held to account for this.
Excellent captaincy from Warburton to get Poite to have a look and create doubt.
And arguably it should have been a penalty against Read.
Whilst he did attempt to catch the ball, the fact of the matter is he missed it, turned his shoulder and hit Williams in the air.
If Williams hadn't been clattered he'd have caught the ball, and the Owens would have been out of the picture.
But no penalty against Read means legitimate challenge in the air, which means penalty against Owens.
@MiketheSnow you're having a laugh surely about those Read comments. It was a legit challenge. The fact that he missed the ball doesn't make it an unfair attempt.
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It was Garces from the other side of the field that was in Poites ear and changed his mind. Ayoub and Poite had agreed penalty until that fuck cost us again in the last minutes. No excuse for Poite listening to him either.
@Snowy said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
It was Garces from the other side of the field that was in Poites ear and changed his mind. Ayoub and Poite had agreed penalty until that fuck cost us again in the last minutes. No excuse for Poite listening to him either.
When you put it that way Garces is scum of almost Wayne Barnes proportions. I'll get my pitchfork!
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@MiketheSnow you're having a laugh surely about those Read comments. It was a legit challenge. The fact that he missed the ball doesn't make it an unfair attempt.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@MiketheSnow you're having a laugh surely about those Read comments. It was a legit challenge. The fact that he missed the ball doesn't make it an unfair attempt.
No.
That was the series of events.
Warburton asked Poite to look at unfair challenge in the air.
He did. Said nothing to see.
Then made incorrect call re offside against Owens.
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@Snowy said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
It was Garces from the other side of the field that was in Poites ear and changed his mind. Ayoub and Poite had agreed penalty until that fuck cost us again in the last minutes. No excuse for Poite listening to him either.
When you put it that way Garces is scum of almost Wayne Barnes proportions. I'll get my pitchfork!
@canefan said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Snowy said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
It was Garces from the other side of the field that was in Poites ear and changed his mind. Ayoub and Poite had agreed penalty until that fuck cost us again in the last minutes. No excuse for Poite listening to him either.
When you put it that way Garces is scum of almost Wayne Barnes proportions. I'll get my pitchfork!
Nothing less than the ABs winning the RWC in Japan 2019 will remove this stain
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@MiketheSnow you're having a laugh surely about those Read comments. It was a legit challenge. The fact that he missed the ball doesn't make it an unfair attempt.
No.
That was the series of events.
Warburton asked Poite to look at unfair challenge in the air.
He did. Said nothing to see.
Then made incorrect call re offside against Owens.
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Warburton asked Poite to look at unfair challenge in the air.
Did you get this from the clip above? I couldn't see it.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Nowe that I'm sober, Poite should be held to account for this.
Excellent captaincy from Warburton to get Poite to have a look and create doubt.
And arguably it should have been a penalty against Read.
Whilst he did attempt to catch the ball, the fact of the matter is he missed it, turned his shoulder and hit Williams in the air.
If Williams hadn't been clattered he'd have caught the ball, and the Owens would have been out of the picture.
But no penalty against Read means legitimate challenge in the air, which means penalty against Owens.
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Nowe that I'm sober, Poite should be held to account for this.
Excellent captaincy from Warburton to get Poite to have a look and create doubt.
And arguably it should have been a penalty against Read.
Whilst he did attempt to catch the ball, the fact of the matter is he missed it, turned his shoulder and hit Williams in the air.
If Williams hadn't been clattered he'd have caught the ball, and the Owens would have been out of the picture.
But no penalty against Read means legitimate challenge in the air, which means penalty against Owens.
This is what so many of us have a problem with though. It shouldn't be good captaincy for Warburton to ask Poite for a review. Also what the hell are Davies and Farrell, both of whom are not captains, doing anywhere near the referee?
Why don't we just have a formal review system in place given that captains and random other players can pressure a referee into a review?
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Nowe that I'm sober, Poite should be held to account for this.
Excellent captaincy from Warburton to get Poite to have a look and create doubt.
And arguably it should have been a penalty against Read.
Whilst he did attempt to catch the ball, the fact of the matter is he missed it, turned his shoulder and hit Williams in the air.
If Williams hadn't been clattered he'd have caught the ball, and the Owens would have been out of the picture.
But no penalty against Read means legitimate challenge in the air, which means penalty against Owens.
@MiketheSnow
Sorry, I disagree, Read didn't make the Lions player fall, it was his other team mate unbalancing him, and a hollywood where he lifted his legs and flopped on the ground.It was an appalling decision. Poite clearly lied twice. He said we have a deal, meaning the umpires have an agreement. However, that is not what he said to the video ref (I did not hear him talk to Garces). Then, he said to both captains that 16 red didn't play at the ball, it just touched him on the shoulder accidentally, so they play the knock on.
We also lost 15 seconds of gametime before they stopped the clock.
The other thing is he did not give any advantage, and ALB was away.
Sorry, but one or two lies and inability to apply advantage, or stop the clock quickly. An incompetent performance.
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A captain asking the ref to look at foul play, when was this ever allowed? If that was the case and I can't tell if it was, then the game has officially turned into NFL or worse, cricket.
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Having just watched the game again, I'm shocked that we didn't win it by 15-20 points. Am feeling a lot better about the ABs upon the second viewing. It was just poor execution at crucial times that didn't allow us to finish off the many chances and half chances we created.
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@MiketheSnow
Sorry, I disagree, Read didn't make the Lions player fall, it was his other team mate unbalancing him, and a hollywood where he lifted his legs and flopped on the ground.It was an appalling decision. Poite clearly lied twice. He said we have a deal, meaning the umpires have an agreement. However, that is not what he said to the video ref (I did not hear him talk to Garces). Then, he said to both captains that 16 red didn't play at the ball, it just touched him on the shoulder accidentally, so they play the knock on.
We also lost 15 seconds of gametime before they stopped the clock.
The other thing is he did not give any advantage, and ALB was away.
Sorry, but one or two lies and inability to apply advantage, or stop the clock quickly. An incompetent performance.
I've not looked through all the comments here, but looking again at the video, Read seems to knock-on before the ball bounces off Williams.
So the decision should have been a scrum to the Lions.That happened first, before Owens touched the ball and ALB would not have had advantage as it was infringement by an AB.
That said, it was a mess - the knock-on was missed by Peyper and Poite. The TMO was correctly asked to check it was a fair challenge (it was).
As Read said afterwards, the reason the ABs did not win was not because of that decision, it was because they failed to turn their periods of dominance into points on the board.
Overall the tour was a success for the Lions and NZ/Lions fans.
A punishing fixture list worked in the Lions favour by getting them ready for the Tests. If injuries had removed say 2-3 of the key players, then the expected 3-0 blackwash would probably have happened.Roll on 2029!
