All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3
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I'm guessing behind closed doors the abs brains trust will accept this as a failure , (despite some of the positive spin shag put on it )
With the wc two years away , I don't mind that part , hopefully we will look back at it as a turning point .
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
I'm guessing behind closed doors the abs brains trust will accept this as a failure , (despite some of the positive spin shag put on it )
they fucken better
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@SammyC said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Bones said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Why is an article about Barrett's kicking in 2016 being dredged up as some indicator Hansen is mental? It's over halfway through 2017, show me those stats.
As someone said yesterday, I fear WR are going to remain silent on Poite and Garces, which is shithouse. Garces was just incompetent, but Poite showed some next level dodgyness. They should be fucking hauled.
Fuck we really are the great complainers of world rugby, the only reason we ever lose is because the referee screwed us.
We lost because we played poorly. And didn't take our chances (penalty kicks included)
Beauden isn't a great kicker under pressure.
We would have won the second test if he made a couple of kicks that most other international kickers would have made. Likewise the third... and that's not including the one we turned down from 45 metres late in the game.
I've seen Jordie nail that kick before.
He also cost the Hurricanes the 2015 final with his erratic kicking.
But keep rolling out stats from 80 point wins against Samoa/ The Sunwolves etc to prove your point... kicking under pressure is different
Geeeeezzz....where to start with that.
Firstly - where did I say we lost because the ref screwed us? Secondly, we didn't lose.
Thirdly - why should we ignore glaring fuck ups from the ref just because it's us?
Fourthly, the complainers of world rugby? Are you serious? Can you imagine the fucking chaotic uproar if that call was a penalty, even though that would ave been correct? Even worse, imagine if it was the other way around and the ABs were getting away with the same thing in a kickable postion. Do you not recall media/rugby offical crusades against AB's? We've even had the CEO of WR tweeting having a moan and getting other officials to change their decisions after the fact. Do you not get to hear the Irish after every loss? Fuck me I had an Irishman moaning to me yesterday about how the decision by Poite was payback for the 2011 final and the French being robbed of that game - then Englishmen backing him up.
Fifthly - Is the part in your post about kicking supposed to be an example of Irony? You're talking about International kickers, saying don't roll out stats from Tests/Super Rugby, using Super Rugby to deride Beauden - and then to top it all off, say Jordie would've nailed it. But Super Rugby doesn't count, nor tests against Samoa....that Jordie though, he's done it all at the top level right?
@Bones said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@SammyC said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Bones said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Why is an article about Barrett's kicking in 2016 being dredged up as some indicator Hansen is mental? It's over halfway through 2017, show me those stats.
As someone said yesterday, I fear WR are going to remain silent on Poite and Garces, which is shithouse. Garces was just incompetent, but Poite showed some next level dodgyness. They should be fucking hauled.
Fuck we really are the great complainers of world rugby, the only reason we ever lose is because the referee screwed us.
We lost because we played poorly. And didn't take our chances (penalty kicks included)
Beauden isn't a great kicker under pressure.
We would have won the second test if he made a couple of kicks that most other international kickers would have made. Likewise the third... and that's not including the one we turned down from 45 metres late in the game.
I've seen Jordie nail that kick before.
He also cost the Hurricanes the 2015 final with his erratic kicking.
But keep rolling out stats from 80 point wins against Samoa/ The Sunwolves etc to prove your point... kicking under pressure is different
Geeeeezzz....where to start with that.
Firstly - where did I say we lost because the ref screwed us? Secondly, we didn't lose.
Thirdly - why should we ignore glaring fuck ups from the ref just because it's us?
Fourthly, the complainers of world rugby? Are you serious? Can you imagine the fucking chaotic uproar if that call was a penalty, even though that would ave been correct? Even worse, imagine if it was the other way around and the ABs were getting away with the same thing in a kickable postion. Do you not recall media/rugby offical crusades against AB's? We've even had the CEO of WR tweeting having a moan and getting other officials to change their decisions after the fact. Do you not get to hear the Irish after every loss? Fuck me I had an Irishman moaning to me yesterday about how the decision by Poite was payback for the 2011 final and the French being robbed of that game - then Englishmen backing him up.
Fifthly - Is the part in your post about kicking supposed to be an example of Irony? You're talking about International kickers, saying don't roll out stats from Tests/Super Rugby, using Super Rugby to deride Beauden - and then to top it all off, say Jordie would've nailed it. But Super Rugby doesn't count, nor tests against Samoa....that Jordie though, he's done it all at the top level right?
bro, you've been in London too long. The geezer talk is out of control
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@Bones said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@SammyC said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Bones said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Why is an article about Barrett's kicking in 2016 being dredged up as some indicator Hansen is mental? It's over halfway through 2017, show me those stats.
As someone said yesterday, I fear WR are going to remain silent on Poite and Garces, which is shithouse. Garces was just incompetent, but Poite showed some next level dodgyness. They should be fucking hauled.
Fuck we really are the great complainers of world rugby, the only reason we ever lose is because the referee screwed us.
We lost because we played poorly. And didn't take our chances (penalty kicks included)
Beauden isn't a great kicker under pressure.
We would have won the second test if he made a couple of kicks that most other international kickers would have made. Likewise the third... and that's not including the one we turned down from 45 metres late in the game.
I've seen Jordie nail that kick before.
He also cost the Hurricanes the 2015 final with his erratic kicking.
But keep rolling out stats from 80 point wins against Samoa/ The Sunwolves etc to prove your point... kicking under pressure is different
Geeeeezzz....where to start with that.
Firstly - where did I say we lost because the ref screwed us? Secondly, we didn't lose.
Thirdly - why should we ignore glaring fuck ups from the ref just because it's us?
Fourthly, the complainers of world rugby? Are you serious? Can you imagine the fucking chaotic uproar if that call was a penalty, even though that would ave been correct? Even worse, imagine if it was the other way around and the ABs were getting away with the same thing in a kickable postion. Do you not recall media/rugby offical crusades against AB's? We've even had the CEO of WR tweeting having a moan and getting other officials to change their decisions after the fact. Do you not get to hear the Irish after every loss? Fuck me I had an Irishman moaning to me yesterday about how the decision by Poite was payback for the 2011 final and the French being robbed of that game - then Englishmen backing him up.
Fifthly - Is the part in your post about kicking supposed to be an example of Irony? You're talking about International kickers, saying don't roll out stats from Tests/Super Rugby, using Super Rugby to deride Beauden - and then to top it all off, say Jordie would've nailed it. But Super Rugby doesn't count, nor tests against Samoa....that Jordie though, he's done it all at the top level right?
bro, you've been in London too long. The geezer talk is out of control
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@MN5 I'm out of London these days, Royal Tunbridge Wells. Seems more in line with Eastbourne.
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@MN5 You have got to be kidding. Bourbon and Coke. Sorry about that - I realise that means less Bourbon for you Huttites but I just can't shake it.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@MN5 You have got to be kidding. Bourbon and Coke. Sorry about that - I realise that means less Bourbon for you Huttites but I just can't shake it.
Codys bro. Hold the ice.
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the ref issue is an interesting one, if you criticise the ref you are a whinger and even when they have a howler you cant call them on it, yet we can blast players and coaches for thier errors.
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@Rapido said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Davies has been stand out Lion in my mind.
Peaked to perfection after an average (for him) season
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@Bones said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@MN5 Can't afford Woodstocks?
Na thats for scumbags from Upper Hutt
@MN5 said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Bones said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@MN5 Can't afford Woodstocks?
Na thats for scumbags from Upper Hutt
Cody's here in UH thanks very much! Haha.
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World rugby's biggest game advertisement in the fallow years between world cups and is influenced by an insecure refereeing system but the gin swillers will be reminding themselves "controversy lasts far longer in the advertiser's eye than a pure spectacle, and think of the clicks we'll get!"
Even the perpetrator knew he was offside playing at the ball!
Still our beloved team only really have themselves to blame
Taking nothing away from the Lions who will take more pride than us over the drawn series.
It was a great series and none of us predicted it thus.
one question though:
Did it feel lucky to draw that?
honest question from an unquestionably biased kiwi
edit: The question was aimed at Lions supporters (lest I lose my arrogance)
@Siam said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
World rugby's biggest game advertisement in the fallow years between world cups and is influenced by an insecure refereeing system but the gin swillers will be reminding themselves "controversy lasts far longer in the advertiser's eye than a pure spectacle, and think of the clicks we'll get!"
Even the perpetrator knew he was offside playing at the ball!
Still our beloved team only really have themselves to blame
Taking nothing away from the Lions who will take more pride than us over the drawn series.
It was a great series and none of us predicted it thus.
one question though:
Did it feel lucky to draw that?
honest question from an unquestionably biased kiwi
edit: The question was aimed at Lions supporters (lest I lose my arrogance)
Honest answer? Yeah we were lucky in the end. Lucky on a couple of counts, firstly in that for much of the match we were outplayed and only some uncharacteristic balls ups from NZ kept us in the game. Later on we got nearer to parity and if you're there or thereabouts with 10 minutes to go you have to feel that you have a chance of nicking the game. So lucky but dissatisfied. Secondly the non penalty. I did think is was sort of accidental at least instinctive rather than deliberate, but to me it was definitely a penalty. Whether or not Barret would have slotted the kick is another matter and if he hadn't then you lot would just have had something else to make you spew
We rode our luck over two tests and overall the better team did not win, but that's the beauty of sport. Winning great but you watch because of the uncertainty.
Gatland's legacy will go down as a two-time undefeated Lions head coach (a fact he has reminded us of a couple of times already) but in truth this time round he was very lucky. There was no cunning master plan to out-coach NZ. Fair play to him in Australia four years ago, he got that last game spot on though.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Bones said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@MN5 Can't afford Woodstocks?
Na thats for scumbags from Upper Hutt
Cody's here in UH thanks very much! Haha.
@Rugger-Quizzes said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Bones said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@MN5 Can't afford Woodstocks?
Na thats for scumbags from Upper Hutt
Cody's here in UH thanks very much! Haha.
Guaranteed winner at the Tote on a Fridee night.
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@Siam said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
World rugby's biggest game advertisement in the fallow years between world cups and is influenced by an insecure refereeing system but the gin swillers will be reminding themselves "controversy lasts far longer in the advertiser's eye than a pure spectacle, and think of the clicks we'll get!"
Even the perpetrator knew he was offside playing at the ball!
Still our beloved team only really have themselves to blame
Taking nothing away from the Lions who will take more pride than us over the drawn series.
It was a great series and none of us predicted it thus.
one question though:
Did it feel lucky to draw that?
honest question from an unquestionably biased kiwi
edit: The question was aimed at Lions supporters (lest I lose my arrogance)
Honest answer? Yeah we were lucky in the end. Lucky on a couple of counts, firstly in that for much of the match we were outplayed and only some uncharacteristic balls ups from NZ kept us in the game. Later on we got nearer to parity and if you're there or thereabouts with 10 minutes to go you have to feel that you have a chance of nicking the game. So lucky but dissatisfied. Secondly the non penalty. I did think is was sort of accidental at least instinctive rather than deliberate, but to me it was definitely a penalty. Whether or not Barret would have slotted the kick is another matter and if he hadn't then you lot would just have had something else to make you spew
We rode our luck over two tests and overall the better team did not win, but that's the beauty of sport. Winning great but you watch because of the uncertainty.
Gatland's legacy will go down as a two-time undefeated Lions head coach (a fact he has reminded us of a couple of times already) but in truth this time round he was very lucky. There was no cunning master plan to out-coach NZ. Fair play to him in Australia four years ago, he got that last game spot on though.
@Catogrande Good post - and I'd much rather be spewing at Barrett for missing than feeling how I am now TBH.
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@Siam said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
World rugby's biggest game advertisement in the fallow years between world cups and is influenced by an insecure refereeing system but the gin swillers will be reminding themselves "controversy lasts far longer in the advertiser's eye than a pure spectacle, and think of the clicks we'll get!"
Even the perpetrator knew he was offside playing at the ball!
Still our beloved team only really have themselves to blame
Taking nothing away from the Lions who will take more pride than us over the drawn series.
It was a great series and none of us predicted it thus.
one question though:
Did it feel lucky to draw that?
honest question from an unquestionably biased kiwi
edit: The question was aimed at Lions supporters (lest I lose my arrogance)
Honest answer? Yeah we were lucky in the end. Lucky on a couple of counts, firstly in that for much of the match we were outplayed and only some uncharacteristic balls ups from NZ kept us in the game. Later on we got nearer to parity and if you're there or thereabouts with 10 minutes to go you have to feel that you have a chance of nicking the game. So lucky but dissatisfied. Secondly the non penalty. I did think is was sort of accidental at least instinctive rather than deliberate, but to me it was definitely a penalty. Whether or not Barret would have slotted the kick is another matter and if he hadn't then you lot would just have had something else to make you spew
We rode our luck over two tests and overall the better team did not win, but that's the beauty of sport. Winning great but you watch because of the uncertainty.
Gatland's legacy will go down as a two-time undefeated Lions head coach (a fact he has reminded us of a couple of times already) but in truth this time round he was very lucky. There was no cunning master plan to out-coach NZ. Fair play to him in Australia four years ago, he got that last game spot on though.
@Catogrande I agree with everything you say but I think Gatland or someone , deserves some credit for their defensive system ,
And you did have your moments in attack , and probably scored the try of the series ....... who wouldve thought ?
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how about fucking no TJ? What the team was trying to do was completely irrelevant to you keeping your mind on the job. Your job is not yelling at the ref, your job is making sure we keep the ball. That's some bullshit lip service right there
@mariner4life perhaps Winger is TJ's media guy....
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I'm 2 days late reading this thread so I'll only make a few comments.
I was high up in the stands in the corner where Jordie scored so had a good view of the other chances at the same end of the ground. Both BB and Laumape could have also scored tries as they were in gaps but fumbled under some defensive pressure. But no excuses for Savea - that was a definite try if he had caught the bloody ball. As many have said, if we had taken 1 or 2 of those chances the ABs would be well ahead at HT and in control of the game, as the Lions were never going to score multiple tries.
The thing I was most pissed off about was that the officials let the Lions slow the game down all the time as not all the injuries seemed to be genuine. It was like watching a RL game when the support staff run onto the field at every opportunity. Read should have spoken to Poite about this too.
Now for something about the Lions tour in general. I picked my father up from the airport earlier in the day as he had been working in Europe and was going to the game with me. He travelled back to NZ via London and was sitting next to a guy who was flying into Auckland to attend the 3rd test and flying back to the UK the following day - that's dedication. And at the test there was a South African guy (wearing his Bok colours) next to me who also flew to NZ especially for the game. That is what makes these tours unique so long may they continue.
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it seems to me that the 1st half of game 3 was very similar to the 1st half of game 1, except in reverse - we created opportunities and didn't finish - just as the lions did first up. i think the scoreline of game 1 flattered us due to their missed opportunities, game 2 we were lucky to be as close as we were due to their giving away so many soft penalties while a man up, and game 3 the scoreline flattered them.
the decisions to end games 2 and 3 were kind of opposites. game 2 was letter of the law correct, but awful in terms of how the game should be. game 3 was letter of the law incorrect, but that would be a shit way to win a game - and while he caught it, i don't think the guy was deliberately playing at it, it was just a reflex thing. i don't have a huge problem with either decision - can suck something up if it is letter of the law even though i disagree with the law, and can suck something up if it's letter of the law wrong but in the spirit of the game... bit galling to be on the wrong end of both situations, and a bit stink to have them deciding games, but ah well - game 2 we didn't deserve to be that close, and we had plenty of opportunities to take game 3 out of reach and didn't finish. overall just a great tour - great to see the improvement in the lions with each game and more time spent together - and great to see how our guys reacted to our depth and resolve being tested with both the 14 man game and all the injuries.our guys:
how good is it to have the real aaron smith back?
perenara looked to have turned the corner last year, now seems to have turned it back.
jordie did well, as did laumape - but we still missed ben smith and crotty badly i think.
our locks are just awesome.
dagg was really good.
rieko is a hell of a talent, but needs to go looking for work when the game isn't going his way.
ALB a bit disappointing i guess, but not awful or anything.
SBW - enough said about that already. his decision cost us.
didn't get the same impact from our bench as usual - backline became too disjointed and too many guys looking to be the individual hero. forward impact i think was diminished purely because when you put wales england ireland and scotland together, their bench depth is pretty damn useful too, and evened us out.
taylor - did really well around the park, but the lineouts were a clear step down. lucky for us their bloke was making errors too so that evened out.
beauden - they looked after him pretty well really, but he still played okay mostly. i hate kicking the ball away on attack though, and he (and others) were guilty of that several times.their guys:
all the forwards were pretty damn good, and all the damn tough loosies particularly. murray is very good. davies was really superb, probably man of the series from either team i think - i hadn't really seen that much of him previously, but he is all class. the outside backs (like ours except dagg) were patchy, as were sexton/farrell, but they all hung in there. the commitment from all the lions was bloody great to see, and warburton is an impressive fella i reckon. gatland is a very, very good coach too, despite the amount of crap he gets on here.
12 years to have it happen again - can't bloody wait. -
it seems to me that the 1st half of game 3 was very similar to the 1st half of game 1, except in reverse - we created opportunities and didn't finish - just as the lions did first up. i think the scoreline of game 1 flattered us due to their missed opportunities, game 2 we were lucky to be as close as we were due to their giving away so many soft penalties while a man up, and game 3 the scoreline flattered them.
the decisions to end games 2 and 3 were kind of opposites. game 2 was letter of the law correct, but awful in terms of how the game should be. game 3 was letter of the law incorrect, but that would be a shit way to win a game - and while he caught it, i don't think the guy was deliberately playing at it, it was just a reflex thing. i don't have a huge problem with either decision - can suck something up if it is letter of the law even though i disagree with the law, and can suck something up if it's letter of the law wrong but in the spirit of the game... bit galling to be on the wrong end of both situations, and a bit stink to have them deciding games, but ah well - game 2 we didn't deserve to be that close, and we had plenty of opportunities to take game 3 out of reach and didn't finish. overall just a great tour - great to see the improvement in the lions with each game and more time spent together - and great to see how our guys reacted to our depth and resolve being tested with both the 14 man game and all the injuries.our guys:
how good is it to have the real aaron smith back?
perenara looked to have turned the corner last year, now seems to have turned it back.
jordie did well, as did laumape - but we still missed ben smith and crotty badly i think.
our locks are just awesome.
dagg was really good.
rieko is a hell of a talent, but needs to go looking for work when the game isn't going his way.
ALB a bit disappointing i guess, but not awful or anything.
SBW - enough said about that already. his decision cost us.
didn't get the same impact from our bench as usual - backline became too disjointed and too many guys looking to be the individual hero. forward impact i think was diminished purely because when you put wales england ireland and scotland together, their bench depth is pretty damn useful too, and evened us out.
taylor - did really well around the park, but the lineouts were a clear step down. lucky for us their bloke was making errors too so that evened out.
beauden - they looked after him pretty well really, but he still played okay mostly. i hate kicking the ball away on attack though, and he (and others) were guilty of that several times.their guys:
all the forwards were pretty damn good, and all the damn tough loosies particularly. murray is very good. davies was really superb, probably man of the series from either team i think - i hadn't really seen that much of him previously, but he is all class. the outside backs (like ours except dagg) were patchy, as were sexton/farrell, but they all hung in there. the commitment from all the lions was bloody great to see, and warburton is an impressive fella i reckon. gatland is a very, very good coach too, despite the amount of crap he gets on here.
12 years to have it happen again - can't bloody wait.Funny, I thought ALB was outstanding over all. Especially that first test
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@Pot-Hale said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@canefan said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Pot-Hale said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@canefan said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11888137
Garces and Poite shouldn't even be allowed to ref club rugby
The headline doesn't match the content of the article. Since they don't have the transcript of what Garces said, they can't make that assertion. Nonetheless, I had heard Poite say Oui, Jerome on his way back to bring captains together and wondered what Garces had said.
Poite made his decision of accidental on his view that the ball first hit Owens on the shoulder before he reflexively caught it with his left hand. That's what he is saying to Read.
He played at it. Then, knowing he'd stuffed up he dropped it. The frogs shat the bed
Yes, he played it. After it hit him on the shoulder is what Poite said.
You do realise what you're saying right? That's hilarious. It's not a penalty because it hit him on the shoulder. He only played it after that, so no penalty. Duh, he played it! It didn't bounce off his shoulder and he let it go right? He caught it. Brilliantly Irish.
@Bones said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Pot-Hale said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@canefan said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Pot-Hale said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@canefan said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11888137
Garces and Poite shouldn't even be allowed to ref club rugby
The headline doesn't match the content of the article. Since they don't have the transcript of what Garces said, they can't make that assertion. Nonetheless, I had heard Poite say Oui, Jerome on his way back to bring captains together and wondered what Garces had said.
Poite made his decision of accidental on his view that the ball first hit Owens on the shoulder before he reflexively caught it with his left hand. That's what he is saying to Read.
He played at it. Then, knowing he'd stuffed up he dropped it. The frogs shat the bed
Yes, he played it. After it hit him on the shoulder is what Poite said.
You do realise what you're saying right? That's hilarious. It's not a penalty because it hit him on the shoulder. He only played it after that, so no penalty. Duh, he played it! It didn't bounce off his shoulder and he let it go right? He caught it. Brilliantly Irish.
You do understand the difference between me giving my own view of events and reporting what Poite said?
