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Pretty good episode, really starting to ramp up now.
The attack on Yara's fleet was interesting in that 1) how did Euron know what their plans were? 2) Is the Dornish lady his 'gift' to Cercei? 3) As noted it seems unlikely he would be able to build such a massive fleet and destroy them so easily - maybe some of that can be explained with Euron's legendary status as a captain?
I get the feeling when Dany finds out she will decide being Queen of Ashes is better than not being Queen at all. Shit could get real very fast there.
I really hope the Nymeria scene means we are going to get more Direwolf action later in the series, perhaps she has a role to play against the White Walkers later on?
Also, will Littlefinger tell Sansa about Jon's heritage while he is away? Would make it interesting on his return if he has no rightful claim to the throne.
Missandei getting the girls out was a clear highlight, she is one flawless specimen of female.
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@broughie said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
@Rancid-Schnitzel Just started watching this series and will the dragon queen be suspicious of the dwarf and the other bald intellectual guy that her new fleet is now toast. Who else was privy to the plans for Yara's fleet?
To be honest I didn't even consider betrayal. I thought Euron was just following them. He said in the first episode that he was going to get Cersei a prize. I thought he meant a dragon, but clearly it was the Dornish women.
But yeah, it was Tyrions plan and he gets Casterly Rock while Dany loses much of her fleet and Dorn. She will be suspicious of him now.
Unless of course the eunuch or his luscious girlfriend were in cahoots with Euron. Now that would be a twist.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel Yes maybe that was the prize as well as a defeated fleet. What you said would explain why Euron knew where they where but the dragon woman does know this otherwise they would not have sent Yara out for Casterly Rock.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel The new fleet Euron has must be faster too...
Isnt Dragonstone west of Kings Landing, and Dorne further west still?
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@taniwharugby Looks East on a map and close to Kings Landing. https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&ved=0ahUKEwjRi5_SiKPVAhVL8mMKHfyWBeYQjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vanityfair.com%2Fhollywood%2F2014%2F06%2Fgame-of-thrones-fan-favorite-showdown&psig=AFQjCNGwHXueHb0ZeYDzz_puEUwXxRcGhQ&ust=1501025090082704&cad=rja
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@broughie ah yeah I see they are close, but I guess makes the fact they got suck up on so easily more dumb, as they were so god damn close to Kings Landing to start with, and traveling a long long way away to pick up the army and come back.
That map wouldn't work, this one did
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They talk about budget constraints limiting the appearance of direwolves, but are they as expensive as a sea battle or the dragons?
For something that's apparently so expensive, they still look pretty shit.
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@taniwharugby said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
I guess they are saving up Theons bravery for another day.
I think Theon will have a role to play with the Yara and Euron situation, but it won't be bravery - he's too broken for that. I reckon it'll be something cowardly and twisted...
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I think we need to call upon our resident Fern expert @RoninWC to help answer some of our questions here.
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@No-Quarter I was being sarcastic...Theon will probably bend the knee to Euron then stab him in the back or something.
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@taniwharugby said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
@No-Quarter I was being sarcastic...Theon will probably bend the knee to Euron then stab him in the back or something.
Depends who picks him up I guess. Cersei will cut what remains of his tackle off, so unlikely he ends up there. John Snow is heading that way. Maybe he picks him up?
At any rate, he's reverted back to Reek, so fark knows what he'll end up doing.
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Years from now if your kids ask just how much did Team NZ smash Jimmy Spithills mob simply show them that final bit, especially the part where Eurons boat smacks into Yara's
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Euron is obviously quite the warrior. No mean feat to beat the Dornish chicks like that. Makes their boasting about what they were gonna do to the Mountain pretty pathetic though.
Of all the blokes standing round the table with the maps ( Theon, Varys, Greyworm, Tyrion ) I'm fairly certain only the latter has a cock.
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@MN5 said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
Euron is obviously quite the warrior. No mean feat to beat the Dornish chicks like that. Makes their boasting about what they were gonna do to the Mountain pretty pathetic though.
Of all the blokes standing round the table with the maps ( Theon, Varys, Greyworm, Tyrion ) I'm fairly certain only the latter has a cock.
That scene must give orgasms to fanatical uber feminists. All leadership roles held by women, including 2 lesbians, while every man is gelded apart from the deformed dwarf.
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@No-Quarter said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
Pretty good episode, really starting to ramp up now.
The attack on Yara's fleet was interesting in that 1) how did Euron know what their plans were? 2) Is the Dornish lady his 'gift' to Cercei? 3) As noted it seems unlikely he would be able to build such a massive fleet and destroy them so easily - maybe some of that can be explained with Euron's legendary status as a captain?
I get the feeling when Dany finds out she will decide being Queen of Ashes is better than not being Queen at all. Shit could get real very fast there.
I really hope the Nymeria scene means we are going to get more Direwolf action later in the series, perhaps she has a role to play against the White Walkers later on?
Also, will Littlefinger tell Sansa about Jon's heritage while he is away? Would make it interesting on his return if he has no rightful claim to the throne.
Missandei getting the girls out was a clear highlight, she is one flawless specimen of female.
An excellent episode, continuing off where Ep. 1 started showing the various factions planning. But then as with all wars, a good plan is worth nothing when the first shots are fired and Cersie through Euron did just that!
I'll take a crack at your questions:
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how did Euron know what their plans were?
Well yet to be revealed but one can only think of two possibilities -
a. that there was someone within Dany's inner circle who has given this away or more likely
b. They, Cersie and her supporters including Euron, knew that Dany and her entourage were located at Dragonstone and that the fleet belonging to Yara and Theon were there and they simply staked out the likely path they would take
a. creates more intrigue and story lines but... there are probably enough story lines already that need to be resolved in the next 11(possibly more?) episodes -
Is the Dornish lady his 'gift' to Cercei?
That was definitely my guess as she is ones of the those that Cercei clearly hates with a passion... however, I think as @Rancid-Schnitzel mentioned previously, in the books Euron has a special horny called Dragonbinder which is said to be able to control dragons and I immediately thought of that horn when this was said in Ep. 1. But it's most likely that it's the Dornish chick. -
As noted it seems unlikely he would be able to build such a massive fleet and destroy them so easily - maybe some of that can be explained with Euron's legendary status as a captain?
That!... One of the biggest plot holes thus far as so many have mentioned... what a year or less to build a thousand ships on a group of rocky islands famed for it's small population and the lack of trees... this part disappoints but oh well.
As for Euron. In the books, Euron is basically a psychopath who was sent away from Iron Islands after Robert's Rebellion. After expulsion he sails and raids far away lands including going places where most sailors fear. In that time he is said to have done many crazy things including spent time in Quarth with the Warlocks (who stole Dany's young dragons in an much earlier season).
More can be read at this awesome source of all things Game of Thrones/A song of ice and fire...Euron Greyjoy | Wiki of Westeros | Fandom
King Euron Greyjoy was the brother of Balon Greyjoy, the Lord Reaper of Pyke and later King of the Iron Islands, and Aeron Greyjoy, a Drowned Man. He was also uncle to Balon's children, Rodrik...
What's good about this Wiki is that they present detailed information for both the character as in the TV Series and the character in the books.
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Thoughts on Ep. 2
So yeah, what a cool sea battle but apart from what has been mentioned already (such as it being impossible for Euron and his loyal Ironborn to have built a thousand ships).
The scene where team Dany are planning around that table (which dates back to Aegon Targaryen's original conquest of Westeros) was interesting. Love your point @MN5 about the 3 males all being castrated and only the Imp having his intact.
Like I mentioned before, such a great plan but like with all plans in war, they most often go out the window with the first shot, and what a shot that was by Cersei.
One point, given that Yara's fleet were sailing to Dorne to pick up the Dornish army, they would have only been lightly manned and not had a complement of fighters on board and therefore easy prey for Euron.
One big disappointment, that what was building for an excellent love scene between Yara and Ellaria, a great opportunity for some girl on girl action with twice the boobs on display but alas, Euron ruined the moment.
A personal huge disappointment... the sand snakes dying! Oh to have been Bronn and being forced to look at those perfect breasts. Why kill two young things with perfect boobs when Euron could have just captured them.
(The eurasian girl, the actress who is also in Iron Fist, is just perfect and I was hoping that there would have been some of her breasts on show but that's never going to happen now... damn you Euron!!!)One thing to note here, in the books, Euron isn't known as a fighter but more of a schemer and planner and let's others do his fighting for him so this Euron is quite different.
The biggest consequence of this battle is that this will now force Dany's hand to unleash the Dothraki, Unsullied and her Dragons on the Westerosi and therefore may result in exactly what Cersei wanted, the undecided Lords to gather behind her.
Does anyone else think that if this was a leak from the White House (oops, I mean Dragonstone) who might have had the motive... anyone else thinking Olenna Tyrell who's council to Dany was effectively... you have dragons, use them!
What this also means is that a significant source of fighters for Dany has now been removed as Dorne now will effectively be a non-entity for the rest of the series I'm guessing.
Which means as I said before, she will now have to rely more on the Dothraki, Unsullied and Dragons but also the fighting forces that the King of the North can bring to bear.
That was definitely Nymeria, not Ghost as Ghost is fully white with red eyes (almost albino). I think it's just that Nymeria and her bond with Arya has been broken after she was sent away by Arya to protect her after biting Joffery all the way back in Season 1. Arya was throwing stones at Nymeria to force her away and since that time, as mentioned before, Nymeria has been leading a pack of normal wolves all during the war of the 5 kings and after.
Nymeria remembers Arya but that she no longer has that bond. Which is a shame as a lot of fans want to see the last 2 of the remaining Stark direwolves be reunited as the remaining Stark children are being reunited.
Arya heading north is very interesting, wonder if she will meet Jon on his way to White Harbour? Unlikely so it will just be a reunion with Sansa.
No Bran this Ep, so is he still up at the wall with the Night's Watch or will he start making his way to Winterfell? Funny that there hasn't been a raven sent from the wall to Winterfell to advise that Bran is back!
Other points, nice to see Lord Tarly in the mix. He's is a legendary fighter and I think he'll end up being torn in his allegiances between Cersei and Samwell's side.
With Euron's move, it is looking like as of right now, Cersei has control of the battle but it's only early.
Speaking of Sam, he will no doubt save Ser Jorah as Jorah the Andal still has a significant part to play in things to come. He's been such an integral part of Dany's journey so far, he can't just die of his greyscale!
Oh yeah and Missandei is damn near perfect! I didn't delete that episode so that I might go back and revisit that scene a time or two as watching with Mrs WC doesn't allow for pausing, rewinding and pausing some more.
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@RoninWC although, the King in the North is heading south wanting help to defend the north from the White Walkers, while Dany is gonna ask the King in the North to join forces and fight for the south...
With Arya, am guessing with her training as a 'faceless man' or whatever it is, Nymeria can see the change, so recognises her but sees her differently too.
I think the battle was a let down as surely at a time of war, so close to Kings Landing they would have been better prepared for an attack.
So Orlena may have leaked the plan to spur Dany on to use her Dragons....I can buy that
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Interesting with Tarly possibly fighting for Cersei. In the books his region is being ravaged by Euron and co and he's also at the head of a Tyrell army in KL. I just can't see him fighting for the Lannisters.
Why can't that fat old perv finish book 6?
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Nerds on the interwebby have noticed a big clue as to how the white walkers will get past the wall.
If you look closely at the opening sequences showing Westeros, the sea at Eastwatch has frozen over which would allow them to simply walk around the wall.When Jorah Mormont leaves the Citadel my guess is that Sam will travel with him as the Maisters will be pissed off that he disobeyed them. If Jorah is there when Jon Snow arrives he may well recognise his father's sword and establish a level of trust. Sam may then give Jon the Tarly sword as a replacement.
There will be something to do with the swords however it works. They are spread around in the wrong hands at the moment. Brienne has (half of) the Stark sword. Joffrey had the other half and we haven't been told where it is. Sam has the Tarly sword, Jon has the Mormont sword.
