Bledisloe 2
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despite being triggered often, I can't actually not like Cheika that much.
(my hypocritical criticisms not withstanding - I don't agree with his game time demeanour but he's obviously ok with it so, meh)
His team had lost a cracker they should have won.
By far the most commendable attribute of anyone on tele or in the media is 100% honesty, and Cheik has that.
Thought he was reasonable in his press conference (Hooper too) and actually I reckon he'd be great value talking rugby over a beer or two.
Aussies do that to you I reckon - can be equal parts dickhead and top fella all at the same time....;)
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@Stargazer said in Bledisloe 2:
@akan004 Cheika obviously missed two AB tries being disallowed.
With a coach who always feels the world is against his team, they will never improve.
Foley reckons the Wallabies were in control of the game right throughout. Is that why you gave up a 17 point lead, you farking idiot? I really hope we demolish them in Brisbane. Sick of them talking themselves up all the time.
@akan004 said in Bledisloe 2:
@Stargazer said in Bledisloe 2:
@akan004 Cheika obviously missed two AB tries being disallowed.
With a coach who always feels the world is against his team, they will never improve.
Foley reckons the Wallabies were in control of the game right throughout. Is that why you gave up a 17 point lead, you farking idiot? I really hope we demolish them in Brisbane. Sick of them talking themselves up all the time.
Hear hear
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@nzzp said in Bledisloe 2:
@NTA said in Bledisloe 2:
@nzzp said in Bledisloe 2:
@NTA said in Bledisloe 2:
@nzzp said in Bledisloe 2:
Stupid, stupid play from Hooper. Insane.
What option did he have?
Not charging around and conceding a penalty. Line up the next play and try and tackle someone?
After the buzzer. Riiiiiight...
It was before the buzzer. It won't get you there...
ABs fell over the line there. Played poorly, Wobs played really well and took their chances. Good game of footy.
I don't think Aus played well at all
@booboo said in Bledisloe 2:
@nzzp said in Bledisloe 2:
@NTA said in Bledisloe 2:
@nzzp said in Bledisloe 2:
@NTA said in Bledisloe 2:
@nzzp said in Bledisloe 2:
Stupid, stupid play from Hooper. Insane.
What option did he have?
Not charging around and conceding a penalty. Line up the next play and try and tackle someone?
After the buzzer. Riiiiiight...
It was before the buzzer. It won't get you there...
ABs fell over the line there. Played poorly, Wobs played really well and took their chances. Good game of footy.
I don't think Aus played well at all
Really?
Apart from losing what did they do poorly?
They tackled better than us.
They had no ball but still took the lead with 3 to go
One bloke missed some kicks
They won all their lineout ball
Sure scrum was monstered but they responded to stop the haemoragingAnti Stockholm syndrome?
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Watching the game now , Aussie scrum reminds me of the era where they considered Matt Dunning a test level prop.
Cheika is close to surpassing Woodward as most fuckwitted coach of the pro era , well done to him for having edged past Scott Johnson and Warren Gatland.
Owens not his usual self tonight.
DMac and SBW weak links so far.
@jegga said in Bledisloe 2:
Watching the game now , Aussie scrum reminds me of the era where they considered Matt Dunning a test level prop.
Cheika is close to surpassing Woodward as most fuckwitted coach of the pro era , well done to him for having edged past Scott Johnson and Warren Gatland.
Owens not his usual self tonight.
DMac and SBW weak links so far.
I disagree entirely. He's way past Woodward level.
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@Kruse said in Bledisloe 2:
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe 2:
Chieka is fulfilling the clown image our media have painted, really is a fuck wit...as said during the game the cameras need to stop looking at him for his expletive laden trades every 5 mins.
I would pay extra for a "red button" option which showed a little corner-window of video, and even more for audio, of Cheika.
To be honest the guy is treading extremely close to bringing the game into disrepute. He questions every decision with disdain then has a bitch after the game with "I'm not complaining but...."
At the very least he shows no respect to the officials. Use the right channels you clown.And have a shave.
@Crucial said in Bledisloe 2:
@Kruse said in Bledisloe 2:
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe 2:
Chieka is fulfilling the clown image our media have painted, really is a fuck wit...as said during the game the cameras need to stop looking at him for his expletive laden trades every 5 mins.
I would pay extra for a "red button" option which showed a little corner-window of video, and even more for audio, of Cheika.
To be honest the guy is treading extremely close to bringing the game into disrepute. He questions every decision with disdain then has a bitch after the game with "I'm not complaining but...."
At the very least he shows no respect to the officials. Use the right channels you clown.And have a shave.
Hear hear
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Just watched the game again. DMac made one big mistake which was the intercept pass. He was pretty good otherwise and created the Ben Smith try. Looks like he's going to be one of those players whose errors are going to be magnified by the public. I wouldn't feel comfortable seeing him start a game against a NH team or even SA but he is being unfairly criticised for his two performances against the Wallabies. BB made a lot of blunders as well but nobody is calling him up for them
@akan004 said in Bledisloe 2:
Just watched the game again. DMac made one big mistake which was the intercept pass. He was pretty good otherwise and created the Ben Smith try. Looks like he's going to be one of those players whose errors are going to be magnified by the public. I wouldn't feel comfortable seeing him start a game against a NH team or even SA but he is being unfairly criticised for his two performances against the Wallabies. BB made a lot of blunders as well but nobody is calling him up for them
That's twice in 2 games he's gifted the opposition tries. If you join the line and there isn't a soul behind you then you better be 100% sure of the play or hold onto the farking pill. He was a bit ropey on defence as well. I'm actually a big fan of the kid but he just doesn't seem suited to test level.
What's amazing is that a couple of months back there was a big debate about whether JB should even be in the team. Now he'd own the jersey with daylight behind.
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Initially it seemed his bluster was deflection to get people not looking at his inefficiecies as a coach but I think he does believe the shit he is spouting.
Sure he has passion but not sure he is good for Aussie, even if his public whinging face is completely different to the one behind closed doors...but I expect his angry passionate outbursts are not just for the camera.
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe 2:
Initially it seemed his bluster was deflection to get people not looking at his inefficiecies as a coach but I think he does believe the shit he is spouting.
Sure he has passion but not sure he is good for Aussie, even if his public whinging face is completely different to the one behind closed doors...but I expect his angry passionate outbursts are not just for the camera.
One of our local physios and previous coaches played with or against him in Sydney. Says what you see is him.
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I used to say to my soccer loving mates that at least rugby coaches don't play the retarded monkey like the soccer managers. So much for that argument.
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@Kruse said in Bledisloe 2:
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe 2:
Initially it seemed his bluster was deflection to get people not looking at his inefficies as a coach but I think he does believe the shit he is spouting.
Sure he has passion but not sure he is good for Aussie, even if his public whinging face is completely different to the one behind closed doors...but I expect his angry passionate outbursts are not just for the camera.
And how fucked is that?
For those that want genuine competition for the sake of rugby - not good.
For those that love watching the ABs spanking the wallabies over and over again - great.
Of course - today... I'm not sure how that fits in to that "narrative"... how did a team coached by that, nearly beat us?The puppet managed to coach a team that beat us three times in 2009 including beating us at home. He was a fuckwit of monumental porportions too.
@jegga said in Bledisloe 2:
@Kruse said in Bledisloe 2:
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe 2:
Initially it seemed his bluster was deflection to get people not looking at his inefficies as a coach but I think he does believe the shit he is spouting.
Sure he has passion but not sure he is good for Aussie, even if his public whinging face is completely different to the one behind closed doors...but I expect his angry passionate outbursts are not just for the camera.
And how fucked is that?
For those that want genuine competition for the sake of rugby - not good.
For those that love watching the ABs spanking the wallabies over and over again - great.
Of course - today... I'm not sure how that fits in to that "narrative"... how did a team coached by that, nearly beat us?The puppet managed to coach a team that beat us three times in 2009 including beating us at home. He was a fuckwit of monumental porportions too.
But he was just an idiot.
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@canefan said in Bledisloe 2:
I noticed he doesn't refer to us as the ABs. He doesn't realise he's in full aura mode
I noticed in Hansen's onfield interview that he called us "Australia" and not "The Wallabies".
So is that a thing or does he call us The Wallabies at other times?
@NTA said in Bledisloe 2:
@canefan said in Bledisloe 2:
I noticed he doesn't refer to us as the ABs. He doesn't realise he's in full aura mode
I noticed in Hansen's onfield interview that he called us "Australia" and not "The Wallabies".
So is that a thing or does he call us The Wallabies at other times?
It's because of your aura.
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@jegga said in Bledisloe 2:
Watching the game now , Aussie scrum reminds me of the era where they considered Matt Dunning a test level prop.
Cheika is close to surpassing Woodward as most fuckwitted coach of the pro era , well done to him for having edged past Scott Johnson and Warren Gatland.
Owens not his usual self tonight.
DMac and SBW weak links so far.
I disagree entirely. He's way past Woodward level.
@booboo said in Bledisloe 2:
@jegga said in Bledisloe 2:
Watching the game now , Aussie scrum reminds me of the era where they considered Matt Dunning a test level prop.
Cheika is close to surpassing Woodward as most fuckwitted coach of the pro era , well done to him for having edged past Scott Johnson and Warren Gatland.
Owens not his usual self tonight.
DMac and SBW weak links so far.
I disagree entirely. He's way past Woodward level.
We haven't had a PowerPoint presentation yet explaining why the all blacks are cheats.
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@booboo said in Bledisloe 2:
@nzzp said in Bledisloe 2:
@NTA said in Bledisloe 2:
@nzzp said in Bledisloe 2:
@NTA said in Bledisloe 2:
@nzzp said in Bledisloe 2:
Stupid, stupid play from Hooper. Insane.
What option did he have?
Not charging around and conceding a penalty. Line up the next play and try and tackle someone?
After the buzzer. Riiiiiight...
It was before the buzzer. It won't get you there...
ABs fell over the line there. Played poorly, Wobs played really well and took their chances. Good game of footy.
I don't think Aus played well at all
Really?
Apart from losing what did they do poorly?
They tackled better than us.
They had no ball but still took the lead with 3 to go
One bloke missed some kicks
They won all their lineout ball
Sure scrum was monstered but they responded to stop the haemoragingAnti Stockholm syndrome?
@Siam said in Bledisloe 2:
@booboo said in Bledisloe 2:
@nzzp said in Bledisloe 2:
@NTA said in Bledisloe 2:
@nzzp said in Bledisloe 2:
@NTA said in Bledisloe 2:
@nzzp said in Bledisloe 2:
Stupid, stupid play from Hooper. Insane.
What option did he have?
Not charging around and conceding a penalty. Line up the next play and try and tackle someone?
After the buzzer. Riiiiiight...
It was before the buzzer. It won't get you there...
ABs fell over the line there. Played poorly, Wobs played really well and took their chances. Good game of footy.
I don't think Aus played well at all
Really?
Apart from losing what did they do poorly?
They tackled better than us.
They had no ball but still took the lead with 3 to go
One bloke missed some kicks
They won all their lineout ball
Sure scrum was monstered but they responded to stop the haemoragingAnti Stockholm syndrome?
They were basically dominated. Created little except on turnover. Were incredibly lucky to be in touch on the score board despite fluking the luckiest 17 point lead ever. Thus the perception is they played well. 35-12 in the last 60 minutes. 3 unawarded tries. Add it up. It's not as good as the perception based on 35-29.
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@NTA said in Bledisloe 2:
@canefan said in Bledisloe 2:
I noticed he doesn't refer to us as the ABs. He doesn't realise he's in full aura mode
I noticed in Hansen's onfield interview that he called us "Australia" and not "The Wallabies".
So is that a thing or does he call us The Wallabies at other times?
It's because of your aura.
@booboo said in Bledisloe 2:
@NTA said in Bledisloe 2:
@canefan said in Bledisloe 2:
I noticed he doesn't refer to us as the ABs. He doesn't realise he's in full aura mode
I noticed in Hansen's onfield interview that he called us "Australia" and not "The Wallabies".
So is that a thing or does he call us The Wallabies at other times?
It's because of your
auracloak of failurefixed
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Watching the game now , Aussie scrum reminds me of the era where they considered Matt Dunning a test level prop.
Cheika is close to surpassing Woodward as most fuckwitted coach of the pro era , well done to him for having edged past Scott Johnson and Warren Gatland.
Owens not his usual self tonight.
DMac and SBW weak links so far.
@jegga said in Bledisloe 2:
Watching the game now , Aussie scrum reminds me of the era where they considered Matt Dunning a test level prop.
Cheika is close to surpassing Woodward as most fuckwitted coach of the pro era , well done to him for having edged past Scott Johnson and Warren Gatland.
Owens not his usual self tonight.
DMac and SBW weak links so far.
It's pretty cool for kiwis to hate Aussie sportsmen for the sake of it. A lot of it is unjustified.
Not with Cheika though. What a graceless fuckhead of Brad Haddin like proportions. I genuinely enjoy seeing him lose.
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@booboo said in Bledisloe 2:
@nzzp said in Bledisloe 2:
@NTA said in Bledisloe 2:
@nzzp said in Bledisloe 2:
@NTA said in Bledisloe 2:
@nzzp said in Bledisloe 2:
Stupid, stupid play from Hooper. Insane.
What option did he have?
Not charging around and conceding a penalty. Line up the next play and try and tackle someone?
After the buzzer. Riiiiiight...
It was before the buzzer. It won't get you there...
ABs fell over the line there. Played poorly, Wobs played really well and took their chances. Good game of footy.
I don't think Aus played well at all
Really?
Apart from losing what did they do poorly?
They tackled better than us.
They had no ball but still took the lead with 3 to go
One bloke missed some kicks
They won all their lineout ball
Sure scrum was monstered but they responded to stop the haemoragingAnti Stockholm syndrome?
@Siam said in Bledisloe 2:
@booboo said in Bledisloe 2:
@nzzp said in Bledisloe 2:
@NTA said in Bledisloe 2:
@nzzp said in Bledisloe 2:
@NTA said in Bledisloe 2:
@nzzp said in Bledisloe 2:
Stupid, stupid play from Hooper. Insane.
What option did he have?
Not charging around and conceding a penalty. Line up the next play and try and tackle someone?
After the buzzer. Riiiiiight...
It was before the buzzer. It won't get you there...
ABs fell over the line there. Played poorly, Wobs played really well and took their chances. Good game of footy.
I don't think Aus played well at all
Really?
Apart from losing what did they do poorly?
They tackled better than us.
They had no ball but still took the lead with 3 to go
One bloke missed some kicks
They won all their lineout ball
Sure scrum was monstered but they responded to stop the haemoragingAnti Stockholm syndrome?
They missed 32 tackles and we only missed 14. Australia were more clinical than us - especially in the second half.
The big difference for Australia was how good they looked when they had Genia giving them front foot ball. An in-form Genia is crucial to that team.
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what was the final handling error/turnover count, at about 65 mins I think the graphic showed 18 to us and 9 to them.
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe 2:
what was the final handling error/turnover count, at about 65 mins I think the graphic showed 18 to us and 9 to them.
Turnovers conceded:
NZ 18, Oz 9They don't seem to publish stats of handling errors.
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I think there were some ref issues, but they tend to balance out a bit, I don't think it was a great performance from Owens - but it wasn't a French switch off the mike and then change decision type performance.
It's funny reading this thread and seeing the comments on Rieko - seriously, how have people only just now figured out how good he is?
The scrum before the Genia try I was thinking we might have got the penalty for the 8 reaching in and pulling the ball out from under the locks feet - I thought that was illegal. Also, there was another dominant scrum where the ball spilled out the side and it was allowed to play on - luckily it turned into a turnover for us. I don't think we got the rewards we deserved for our scrum dominance.
@Rapido I don't think the refs should change the way they make decisions because it's the last play of the day. At every ruck the refs say play it and then the 9 has time to play it before the defenders can come round. Why change it for the last play of the game?
Maybe SBW should have been stood down for this match, he didn't seem 100% from the get go but then again our midfielders seem to be half broken all the time. Crotty can't get through 60 minutes of rugby without getting two injuries and a knock to the head.
I think the Wallabies (there you go @NTA) rode their luck really well in the first half and were deserved of their lead, but I always had the belief we'd pull them back (their final two tries I didn't expect though) once we got going and that proved to be the case.
I think BBBR should have got a yellow for the off the ball hit on Hooper (although there really should be a free hit on Hooper similar to the free hit on Gopperth back in his Canes days ;)) but the correct decision was made on the ruck. You could clearly see the players were tangled on the first shot which wasn't actually replayed by the TMO. Hooper carried on like a goose over that but what do you expect when you have an idiot like Cheika in charge.
