Bledisloe 2
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@Siam said in Bledisloe 2:
@NTA Shag said similar, in that the real difference between the teams was the first 40 when the Wallabies all hadn't played in 4 weeks
As clever as technology and training methods develop there is no substitiute for age-old match conditioning
If only there was a way to organise an in house warmup game in a five week period! Obviously umpossible.
@Kirwan said in Bledisloe 2:
If only there was a way to organise an in house warmup game in a five week period! Obviously umpossible.
Also a good point - one of the issues being we didn't have available top-flight players, as our Premier club seasons were still running up until the weekend.
EDIT: Naturally, organising games with those clubs who were NOT involved in Premier Club finals could also have been done. And I don't know why we didn't. We showed the last 120 minutes of our Test rugby was superior to the first 40.
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@Kirwan said in Bledisloe 2:
If only there was a way to organise an in house warmup game in a five week period! Obviously umpossible.
Also a good point - one of the issues being we didn't have available top-flight players, as our Premier club seasons were still running up until the weekend.
EDIT: Naturally, organising games with those clubs who were NOT involved in Premier Club finals could also have been done. And I don't know why we didn't. We showed the last 120 minutes of our Test rugby was superior to the first 40.
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@NTA A bit concerning that the Wallaby coaches didn't see this coming - after pretty much the exact same issue last year - Brumbies only team in playoffs - get spanked Bledisloe 1 in Sydney.
@KiwiMurph I think the game of 3 halves is a good example of making a game for the sake of needing a game, especially for those teams not involved in the finals, and for the Wallabies, surely a probable vs possible type match up would have been the go.
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@NTA said in Bledisloe 2:
As for the conduct in the coaches box: I believe I've said before that if Shag & Co want to sit there like they've been forced to attend their least favourite cousin's wedding, they're more than welcome.
Cheika may go OTT but that's his business. You may think he looks like a dick doing it, and that's your business.
I just wonder how effective he can be as a coach when he comes across as the worst sort of rabid one-eyed fan.
I mean I have mates (I know, I know) who act like Chieka does - histrionically questioning every decision as if it was the fifth trumpet of the apocalypse that sounded rather than a refs whistle.
Admire their passion but don't listen to a word they say and occasionally have to simply tell them to shut the fuck up!
That's fine with your drinking buddy - but your coach?
You don't have to sit there sphinx like as Shag does - but I know who comes across more like someone who has an opinion I might actually care to hear
@dogmeat said in Bledisloe 2:
...Admire their passion but don't listen to a word they say and occasionally have to simply tell them to shut the fuck up!
That's fine with your drinking buddy - but your coach?
You don't have to sit there sphinx like as Shag does - but I know who comes across more like someone who has an opinion I might actually care to hear
I quite liked Heyneke Meyer - was passionate about his side, showed it in the coaches box, but was a good bloke and not a whiny little bitch like Cheika
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@dogmeat said in Bledisloe 2:
...Admire their passion but don't listen to a word they say and occasionally have to simply tell them to shut the fuck up!
That's fine with your drinking buddy - but your coach?
You don't have to sit there sphinx like as Shag does - but I know who comes across more like someone who has an opinion I might actually care to hear
I quite liked Heyneke Meyer - was passionate about his side, showed it in the coaches box, but was a good bloke and not a whiny little bitch like Cheika
@Stockcar86 said in Bledisloe 2:
@dogmeat said in Bledisloe 2:
...Admire their passion but don't listen to a word they say and occasionally have to simply tell them to shut the fuck up!
That's fine with your drinking buddy - but your coach?
You don't have to sit there sphinx like as Shag does - but I know who comes across more like someone who has an opinion I might actually care to hear
I quite liked Heyneke Meyer - was passionate about his side, showed it in the coaches box, but was a good bloke and not a whiny little bitch like Cheika
Shag loved his beers too!!
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What annoys me about Cheika is he whines about Rettalick but is strangely quiet about the multiple infringements at scrumtime and around the park that should have lead to several yellow cards for his guys. Being destroyed like that at scrumtime can you really claim you should have won?
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What annoys me about Cheika is he whines about Rettalick but is strangely quiet about the multiple infringements at scrumtime and around the park that should have lead to several yellow cards for his guys. Being destroyed like that at scrumtime can you really claim you should have won?
@DMX said in Bledisloe 2:
What annoys me about Cheika is he whines about Rettalick but is strangely quiet about the multiple infringements at scrumtime and around the park that should have lead to several yellow cards for his guys. Being destroyed like that at scrumtime can you really claim you should have won?
Do you expect an opposition coach to point those things out? That would be a first for any coach.
It's the unhinged reactions in the box that annoys me because it gets far more attention than it deserves during the telecast. IMO it's not a great look, and seems a tad unstable for the head coach.
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What annoys me about Cheika is he whines about Rettalick but is strangely quiet about the multiple infringements at scrumtime and around the park that should have lead to several yellow cards for his guys. Being destroyed like that at scrumtime can you really claim you should have won?
@DMX said in Bledisloe 2:
Being destroyed like that at scrumtime can you really claim you should have won?
When the ultimate difference between winning and losing is securing a kick off (which it was), then fuck yes, you have every right to claim that you should have won.
That's different from blaming refs and in the presser Cheika went to great lengths to clarify where his disappointment lay - at his team.
That's not to conflate the issues with his Retallick incident whining.
Similarly if the Aussies played poorly (as some here have stated) and still were one kick off reception from winning, I'd fucken hate to see them improve and play well.
We won, and did it fucking cleverly but that don't mean the Aussies weren't in it or played poorly.
#entitlement
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@DMX said in Bledisloe 2:
Being destroyed like that at scrumtime can you really claim you should have won?
When the ultimate difference between winning and losing is securing a kick off (which it was), then fuck yes, you have every right to claim that you should have won.
That's different from blaming refs and in the presser Cheika went to great lengths to clarify where his disappointment lay - at his team.
That's not to conflate the issues with his Retallick incident whining.
Similarly if the Aussies played poorly (as some here have stated) and still were one kick off reception from winning, I'd fucken hate to see them improve and play well.
We won, and did it fucking cleverly but that don't mean the Aussies weren't in it or played poorly.
#entitlement
@Siam said in Bledisloe 2:
When the ultimate difference between winning and losing is securing a kick off
As I said after the Lions 3 debacle where people were claiming it wasn't a contest, Read has been contesting kickoffs like that for ages. It's a legit tactic, and pays off big time.
We went missing for kickoffs in Bled 1 though. Got reamed in that area.
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@Siam said in Bledisloe 2:
When the ultimate difference between winning and losing is securing a kick off
As I said after the Lions 3 debacle where people were claiming it wasn't a contest, Read has been contesting kickoffs like that for ages. It's a legit tactic, and pays off big time.
We went missing for kickoffs in Bled 1 though. Got reamed in that area.
@nzzp was interesting hearing OWens telling the kickers to make sure players were behind at the restart, something they been very slack on and wonder if since Gatland highlighting that in that final play has made them take notice.
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@DMX said in Bledisloe 2:
What annoys me about Cheika is he whines about Rettalick but is strangely quiet about the multiple infringements at scrumtime and around the park that should have lead to several yellow cards for his guys. Being destroyed like that at scrumtime can you really claim you should have won?
Do you expect an opposition coach to point those things out? That would be a first for any coach.
It's the unhinged reactions in the box that annoys me because it gets far more attention than it deserves during the telecast. IMO it's not a great look, and seems a tad unstable for the head coach.
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe 2:
It's the unhinged reactions in the box that annoys me because it gets far more attention than it deserves during the telecast. IMO it's not a great look, and seems a tad unstable for the head coach.
I'm going to be in a very small minority, but I love it. And most of my friends love it too.
I don't know when we all decided that a coach needs to sit motionless in the box for all 80 minutes. I like that Cheika feels the way that I do, that he rides the highs and lows. I found it refreshing when he came to the Tahs, and I still like it.
I'm not a mad Cheika acolyte, though he shepherded my Tahs to a title so will forever be in my heart. My criticism of him comes back to selection and tactics far more than behavior in the box or the presser.
And of course you guys hate him, and that's fine. I'm happy for him to be a bit of a lightening rod, it might even take a bit of focus off our players. Our game is always better having a few villains I reckon.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe 2:
It's the unhinged reactions in the box that annoys me because it gets far more attention than it deserves during the telecast. IMO it's not a great look, and seems a tad unstable for the head coach.
I'm going to be in a very small minority, but I love it. And most of my friends love it too.
I don't know when we all decided that a coach needs to sit motionless in the box for all 80 minutes. I like that Cheika feels the way that I do, that he rides the highs and lows. I found it refreshing when he came to the Tahs, and I still like it.
I'm not a mad Cheika acolyte, though he shepherded my Tahs to a title so will forever be in my heart. My criticism of him comes back to selection and tactics far more than behavior in the box or the presser.
And of course you guys hate him, and that's fine. I'm happy for him to be a bit of a lightening rod, it might even take a bit of focus off our players. Our game is always better having a few villains I reckon.
.@barbarian said in Bledisloe 2:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe 2:
It's the unhinged reactions in the box that annoys me because it gets far more attention than it deserves during the telecast. IMO it's not a great look, and seems a tad unstable for the head coach.
I'm going to be in a very small minority, but I love it. And most of my friends love it too.
I don't know when we all decided that a coach needs to sit motionless in the box for all 80 minutes. I like that Cheika feels the way that I do, that he rides the highs and lows. I found it refreshing when he came to the Tahs, and I still like it.
I'm not a mad Cheika acolyte, though he shepherded my Tahs to a title so will forever be in my heart. My criticism of him comes back to selection and tactics far more than behavior in the box or the presser.
And of course you guys hate him, and that's fine. I'm happy for him to be a bit of a lightening rod, it might even take a bit of focus off our players. Our game is always better having a few villains I reckon.
.Well said.....I love it too
it's very entertaining.Some fans need to stop taking everything so seriously, its a game and should be watched for enjoyment and entertainment.
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As I said above nothing wrong with passion but you have to question a coach who is so often wrong - not just in the heat of the moment but also after he has had time to reflect.
I don't mind his histrionics at all. Just imagine what the Wallabies might be capable of if they had a coach?
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe 2:
It's the unhinged reactions in the box that annoys me because it gets far more attention than it deserves during the telecast. IMO it's not a great look, and seems a tad unstable for the head coach.
I'm going to be in a very small minority, but I love it. And most of my friends love it too.
I don't know when we all decided that a coach needs to sit motionless in the box for all 80 minutes. I like that Cheika feels the way that I do, that he rides the highs and lows. I found it refreshing when he came to the Tahs, and I still like it.
I'm not a mad Cheika acolyte, though he shepherded my Tahs to a title so will forever be in my heart. My criticism of him comes back to selection and tactics far more than behavior in the box or the presser.
And of course you guys hate him, and that's fine. I'm happy for him to be a bit of a lightening rod, it might even take a bit of focus off our players. Our game is always better having a few villains I reckon.
.I don't hate him, I just think he comes across as a bit of a cock.
I have always found it odd that these coaches can in fact sit there almost emotionless most of the time, I get pretty animated as the coach of my sons U12 team, but nothing to that extent.
That said, I think if the cameras didn't go to him every time they know he is going to explode, maybe go more often at times when they know he will be calmer.
Those explosions in the coaches box coupled with his rants in pressers dont paint the ideal picture of a coach in control, but then I guess if the ARU and it's sponsors had an issue with it, they'd tell him to dial it back a bit.
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I don't hate him, I just think he comes across as a bit of a cock.
I have always found it odd that these coaches can in fact sit there almost emotionless most of the time, I get pretty animated as the coach of my sons U12 team, but nothing to that extent.
That said, I think if the cameras didn't go to him every time they know he is going to explode, maybe go more often at times when they know he will be calmer.
Those explosions in the coaches box coupled with his rants in pressers dont paint the ideal picture of a coach in control, but then I guess if the ARU and it's sponsors had an issue with it, they'd tell him to dial it back a bit.
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe 2:
Those explosions in the coaches box coupled with his rants in pressers dont paint the ideal picture of a coach in control, but then I guess if the ARU and it's sponsors had an
issuealternativewith it, they'd tell him to dial it back a bit.Fixed
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe 2:
It's the unhinged reactions in the box that annoys me because it gets far more attention than it deserves during the telecast. IMO it's not a great look, and seems a tad unstable for the head coach.
I'm going to be in a very small minority, but I love it. And most of my friends love it too.
I don't know when we all decided that a coach needs to sit motionless in the box for all 80 minutes. I like that Cheika feels the way that I do, that he rides the highs and lows. I found it refreshing when he came to the Tahs, and I still like it.
I'm not a mad Cheika acolyte, though he shepherded my Tahs to a title so will forever be in my heart. My criticism of him comes back to selection and tactics far more than behavior in the box or the presser.
And of course you guys hate him, and that's fine. I'm happy for him to be a bit of a lightening rod, it might even take a bit of focus off our players. Our game is always better having a few villains I reckon.
.@barbarian said in Bledisloe 2:
And of course you guys hate him, and that's fine.
Certainly don't hate him, far from it. Just think that wearing your emotions on your sleeve and being so one-eyed isn't best for his team.
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@DMX said in Bledisloe 2:
Being destroyed like that at scrumtime can you really claim you should have won?
When the ultimate difference between winning and losing is securing a kick off (which it was), then fuck yes, you have every right to claim that you should have won.
That's different from blaming refs and in the presser Cheika went to great lengths to clarify where his disappointment lay - at his team.
That's not to conflate the issues with his Retallick incident whining.
Similarly if the Aussies played poorly (as some here have stated) and still were one kick off reception from winning, I'd fucken hate to see them improve and play well.
We won, and did it fucking cleverly but that don't mean the Aussies weren't in it or played poorly.
#entitlement
Agree to disagree. The last kick off did not make the game , it was the whole 80 minutes and a big part of that was the Aussie scrum being destroyed. That they were in the game says more about a lack of scrum penalties and yellow cards than anything. If the Aussies think that was a good all round performance good on them but 9 out of 10 that performance would warrant a hiding.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe 2:
It's the unhinged reactions in the box that annoys me because it gets far more attention than it deserves during the telecast. IMO it's not a great look, and seems a tad unstable for the head coach.
I'm going to be in a very small minority, but I love it. And most of my friends love it too.
I don't know when we all decided that a coach needs to sit motionless in the box for all 80 minutes. I like that Cheika feels the way that I do, that he rides the highs and lows. I found it refreshing when he came to the Tahs, and I still like it.
I'm not a mad Cheika acolyte, though he shepherded my Tahs to a title so will forever be in my heart. My criticism of him comes back to selection and tactics far more than behavior in the box or the presser.
And of course you guys hate him, and that's fine. I'm happy for him to be a bit of a lightening rod, it might even take a bit of focus off our players. Our game is always better having a few villains I reckon.
.@barbarian said in Bledisloe 2:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe 2:
It's the unhinged reactions in the box that annoys me because it gets far more attention than it deserves during the telecast. IMO it's not a great look, and seems a tad unstable for the head coach.
I'm going to be in a very small minority, but I love it. And most of my friends love it too.
I don't know when we all decided that a coach needs to sit motionless in the box for all 80 minutes. I like that Cheika feels the way that I do, that he rides the highs and lows. I found it refreshing when he came to the Tahs, and I still like it.
I'm not a mad Cheika acolyte, though he shepherded my Tahs to a title WITH THE HELP OF POOR REFFING FROM JOUBERT so will forever be in my heart. My criticism of him comes back to selection and tactics far more than behavior in the box or the presser.
And of course you guys hate him, and that's fine. I'm happy for him to be a bit of a lightening rod, it might even take a bit of focus off our players. Our game is always better having a few villains I reckon.
.If only he was so animated for correct refereeing during that final call on Richie aye
I don't mind a bit of reaction that is only natural during a contest, but every call?
