Bledisloe 2
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@DMX said in Bledisloe 2:
Being destroyed like that at scrumtime can you really claim you should have won?
When the ultimate difference between winning and losing is securing a kick off (which it was), then fuck yes, you have every right to claim that you should have won.
That's different from blaming refs and in the presser Cheika went to great lengths to clarify where his disappointment lay - at his team.
That's not to conflate the issues with his Retallick incident whining.
Similarly if the Aussies played poorly (as some here have stated) and still were one kick off reception from winning, I'd fucken hate to see them improve and play well.
We won, and did it fucking cleverly but that don't mean the Aussies weren't in it or played poorly.
#entitlement
@Siam said in Bledisloe 2:
When the ultimate difference between winning and losing is securing a kick off
As I said after the Lions 3 debacle where people were claiming it wasn't a contest, Read has been contesting kickoffs like that for ages. It's a legit tactic, and pays off big time.
We went missing for kickoffs in Bled 1 though. Got reamed in that area.
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@Siam said in Bledisloe 2:
When the ultimate difference between winning and losing is securing a kick off
As I said after the Lions 3 debacle where people were claiming it wasn't a contest, Read has been contesting kickoffs like that for ages. It's a legit tactic, and pays off big time.
We went missing for kickoffs in Bled 1 though. Got reamed in that area.
@nzzp was interesting hearing OWens telling the kickers to make sure players were behind at the restart, something they been very slack on and wonder if since Gatland highlighting that in that final play has made them take notice.
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@DMX said in Bledisloe 2:
What annoys me about Cheika is he whines about Rettalick but is strangely quiet about the multiple infringements at scrumtime and around the park that should have lead to several yellow cards for his guys. Being destroyed like that at scrumtime can you really claim you should have won?
Do you expect an opposition coach to point those things out? That would be a first for any coach.
It's the unhinged reactions in the box that annoys me because it gets far more attention than it deserves during the telecast. IMO it's not a great look, and seems a tad unstable for the head coach.
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe 2:
It's the unhinged reactions in the box that annoys me because it gets far more attention than it deserves during the telecast. IMO it's not a great look, and seems a tad unstable for the head coach.
I'm going to be in a very small minority, but I love it. And most of my friends love it too.
I don't know when we all decided that a coach needs to sit motionless in the box for all 80 minutes. I like that Cheika feels the way that I do, that he rides the highs and lows. I found it refreshing when he came to the Tahs, and I still like it.
I'm not a mad Cheika acolyte, though he shepherded my Tahs to a title so will forever be in my heart. My criticism of him comes back to selection and tactics far more than behavior in the box or the presser.
And of course you guys hate him, and that's fine. I'm happy for him to be a bit of a lightening rod, it might even take a bit of focus off our players. Our game is always better having a few villains I reckon.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe 2:
It's the unhinged reactions in the box that annoys me because it gets far more attention than it deserves during the telecast. IMO it's not a great look, and seems a tad unstable for the head coach.
I'm going to be in a very small minority, but I love it. And most of my friends love it too.
I don't know when we all decided that a coach needs to sit motionless in the box for all 80 minutes. I like that Cheika feels the way that I do, that he rides the highs and lows. I found it refreshing when he came to the Tahs, and I still like it.
I'm not a mad Cheika acolyte, though he shepherded my Tahs to a title so will forever be in my heart. My criticism of him comes back to selection and tactics far more than behavior in the box or the presser.
And of course you guys hate him, and that's fine. I'm happy for him to be a bit of a lightening rod, it might even take a bit of focus off our players. Our game is always better having a few villains I reckon.
.@barbarian said in Bledisloe 2:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe 2:
It's the unhinged reactions in the box that annoys me because it gets far more attention than it deserves during the telecast. IMO it's not a great look, and seems a tad unstable for the head coach.
I'm going to be in a very small minority, but I love it. And most of my friends love it too.
I don't know when we all decided that a coach needs to sit motionless in the box for all 80 minutes. I like that Cheika feels the way that I do, that he rides the highs and lows. I found it refreshing when he came to the Tahs, and I still like it.
I'm not a mad Cheika acolyte, though he shepherded my Tahs to a title so will forever be in my heart. My criticism of him comes back to selection and tactics far more than behavior in the box or the presser.
And of course you guys hate him, and that's fine. I'm happy for him to be a bit of a lightening rod, it might even take a bit of focus off our players. Our game is always better having a few villains I reckon.
.Well said.....I love it too
it's very entertaining.Some fans need to stop taking everything so seriously, its a game and should be watched for enjoyment and entertainment.
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As I said above nothing wrong with passion but you have to question a coach who is so often wrong - not just in the heat of the moment but also after he has had time to reflect.
I don't mind his histrionics at all. Just imagine what the Wallabies might be capable of if they had a coach?
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe 2:
It's the unhinged reactions in the box that annoys me because it gets far more attention than it deserves during the telecast. IMO it's not a great look, and seems a tad unstable for the head coach.
I'm going to be in a very small minority, but I love it. And most of my friends love it too.
I don't know when we all decided that a coach needs to sit motionless in the box for all 80 minutes. I like that Cheika feels the way that I do, that he rides the highs and lows. I found it refreshing when he came to the Tahs, and I still like it.
I'm not a mad Cheika acolyte, though he shepherded my Tahs to a title so will forever be in my heart. My criticism of him comes back to selection and tactics far more than behavior in the box or the presser.
And of course you guys hate him, and that's fine. I'm happy for him to be a bit of a lightening rod, it might even take a bit of focus off our players. Our game is always better having a few villains I reckon.
.I don't hate him, I just think he comes across as a bit of a cock.
I have always found it odd that these coaches can in fact sit there almost emotionless most of the time, I get pretty animated as the coach of my sons U12 team, but nothing to that extent.
That said, I think if the cameras didn't go to him every time they know he is going to explode, maybe go more often at times when they know he will be calmer.
Those explosions in the coaches box coupled with his rants in pressers dont paint the ideal picture of a coach in control, but then I guess if the ARU and it's sponsors had an issue with it, they'd tell him to dial it back a bit.
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I don't hate him, I just think he comes across as a bit of a cock.
I have always found it odd that these coaches can in fact sit there almost emotionless most of the time, I get pretty animated as the coach of my sons U12 team, but nothing to that extent.
That said, I think if the cameras didn't go to him every time they know he is going to explode, maybe go more often at times when they know he will be calmer.
Those explosions in the coaches box coupled with his rants in pressers dont paint the ideal picture of a coach in control, but then I guess if the ARU and it's sponsors had an issue with it, they'd tell him to dial it back a bit.
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe 2:
Those explosions in the coaches box coupled with his rants in pressers dont paint the ideal picture of a coach in control, but then I guess if the ARU and it's sponsors had an
issuealternativewith it, they'd tell him to dial it back a bit.Fixed
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe 2:
It's the unhinged reactions in the box that annoys me because it gets far more attention than it deserves during the telecast. IMO it's not a great look, and seems a tad unstable for the head coach.
I'm going to be in a very small minority, but I love it. And most of my friends love it too.
I don't know when we all decided that a coach needs to sit motionless in the box for all 80 minutes. I like that Cheika feels the way that I do, that he rides the highs and lows. I found it refreshing when he came to the Tahs, and I still like it.
I'm not a mad Cheika acolyte, though he shepherded my Tahs to a title so will forever be in my heart. My criticism of him comes back to selection and tactics far more than behavior in the box or the presser.
And of course you guys hate him, and that's fine. I'm happy for him to be a bit of a lightening rod, it might even take a bit of focus off our players. Our game is always better having a few villains I reckon.
.@barbarian said in Bledisloe 2:
And of course you guys hate him, and that's fine.
Certainly don't hate him, far from it. Just think that wearing your emotions on your sleeve and being so one-eyed isn't best for his team.
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@DMX said in Bledisloe 2:
Being destroyed like that at scrumtime can you really claim you should have won?
When the ultimate difference between winning and losing is securing a kick off (which it was), then fuck yes, you have every right to claim that you should have won.
That's different from blaming refs and in the presser Cheika went to great lengths to clarify where his disappointment lay - at his team.
That's not to conflate the issues with his Retallick incident whining.
Similarly if the Aussies played poorly (as some here have stated) and still were one kick off reception from winning, I'd fucken hate to see them improve and play well.
We won, and did it fucking cleverly but that don't mean the Aussies weren't in it or played poorly.
#entitlement
Agree to disagree. The last kick off did not make the game , it was the whole 80 minutes and a big part of that was the Aussie scrum being destroyed. That they were in the game says more about a lack of scrum penalties and yellow cards than anything. If the Aussies think that was a good all round performance good on them but 9 out of 10 that performance would warrant a hiding.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe 2:
It's the unhinged reactions in the box that annoys me because it gets far more attention than it deserves during the telecast. IMO it's not a great look, and seems a tad unstable for the head coach.
I'm going to be in a very small minority, but I love it. And most of my friends love it too.
I don't know when we all decided that a coach needs to sit motionless in the box for all 80 minutes. I like that Cheika feels the way that I do, that he rides the highs and lows. I found it refreshing when he came to the Tahs, and I still like it.
I'm not a mad Cheika acolyte, though he shepherded my Tahs to a title so will forever be in my heart. My criticism of him comes back to selection and tactics far more than behavior in the box or the presser.
And of course you guys hate him, and that's fine. I'm happy for him to be a bit of a lightening rod, it might even take a bit of focus off our players. Our game is always better having a few villains I reckon.
.@barbarian said in Bledisloe 2:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe 2:
It's the unhinged reactions in the box that annoys me because it gets far more attention than it deserves during the telecast. IMO it's not a great look, and seems a tad unstable for the head coach.
I'm going to be in a very small minority, but I love it. And most of my friends love it too.
I don't know when we all decided that a coach needs to sit motionless in the box for all 80 minutes. I like that Cheika feels the way that I do, that he rides the highs and lows. I found it refreshing when he came to the Tahs, and I still like it.
I'm not a mad Cheika acolyte, though he shepherded my Tahs to a title WITH THE HELP OF POOR REFFING FROM JOUBERT so will forever be in my heart. My criticism of him comes back to selection and tactics far more than behavior in the box or the presser.
And of course you guys hate him, and that's fine. I'm happy for him to be a bit of a lightening rod, it might even take a bit of focus off our players. Our game is always better having a few villains I reckon.
.If only he was so animated for correct refereeing during that final call on Richie aye
I don't mind a bit of reaction that is only natural during a contest, but every call?
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Owens explained his decision about the scrums: while it was going backwards, that isn't a crime if they're on their feet and bound.
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Agree to disagree. The last kick off did not make the game , it was the whole 80 minutes and a big part of that was the Aussie scrum being destroyed. That they were in the game says more about a lack of scrum penalties and yellow cards than anything. If the Aussies think that was a good all round performance good on them but 9 out of 10 that performance would warrant a hiding.
@DMX said in Bledisloe 2:
Agree to disagree. The last kick off did not make the game , it was the whole 80 minutes and a big part of that was the Aussie scrum being destroyed. That they were in the game says more about a lack of scrum penalties and yellow cards than anything. If the Aussies think that was a good all round performance good on them but 9 out of 10 that performance would warrant a hiding.
edit, ahh nevermind
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Owens explained his decision about the scrums: while it was going backwards, that isn't a crime if they're on their feet and bound.
@NTA said in Bledisloe 2:
Owens explained his decision about the scrums: while it was going backwards, that isn't a crime if they're on their feet and bound.
Thought the wallabies did very well to stay square and straight at scrum time.
Just because the AB scrum was going forward doesn't mean we should be getting a whole bunch of penalties.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe 2:
It's the unhinged reactions in the box that annoys me because it gets far more attention than it deserves during the telecast. IMO it's not a great look, and seems a tad unstable for the head coach.
I'm going to be in a very small minority, but I love it. And most of my friends love it too.
I don't know when we all decided that a coach needs to sit motionless in the box for all 80 minutes. I like that Cheika feels the way that I do, that he rides the highs and lows. I found it refreshing when he came to the Tahs, and I still like it.
I'm not a mad Cheika acolyte, though he shepherded my Tahs to a title so will forever be in my heart. My criticism of him comes back to selection and tactics far more than behavior in the box or the presser.
And of course you guys hate him, and that's fine. I'm happy for him to be a bit of a lightening rod, it might even take a bit of focus off our players. Our game is always better having a few villains I reckon.
.@barbarian said in Bledisloe 2:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe 2:
It's the unhinged reactions in the box that annoys me because it gets far more attention than it deserves during the telecast. IMO it's not a great look, and seems a tad unstable for the head coach.
I'm going to be in a very small minority, but I love it. And most of my friends love it too.
I don't know when we all decided that a coach needs to sit motionless in the box for all 80 minutes. I like that Cheika feels the way that I do, that he rides the highs and lows. I found it refreshing when he came to the Tahs, and I still like it.
I'm not a mad Cheika acolyte, though he shepherded my Tahs to a title so will forever be in my heart. My criticism of him comes back to selection and tactics far more than behavior in the box or the presser.
And of course you guys hate him, and that's fine. I'm happy for him to be a bit of a lightening rod, it might even take a bit of focus off our players. Our game is always better having a few villains I reckon.
.No one has said you have to sit motionless have they? Don't hate him, in person he might be a great bloke to have a beer with but he comes across as a complete and utter cock as a coach.
I very much doubt that Woodward is someone I could have a beer with though, still don't hate him.
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@NTA said in Bledisloe 2:
Owens explained his decision about the scrums: while it was going backwards, that isn't a crime if they're on their feet and bound.
Which they weren't
@KiwiMurph said in Bledisloe 2:
@NTA said in Bledisloe 2:
Owens explained his decision about the scrums: while it was going backwards, that isn't a crime if they're on their feet and bound.
Which they weren't
In the opinion of the ref, they were
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How did the don't boo the kicker campaign go, from someone at the ground?
Maybe Foley was a bit rattled in the silence?
