All Blacks v Pumas
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@MrDenmore said in All Blacks v Pumas:
Confidently predict this will be the last game McKenzie plays for the All Blacks.
Nup.
Whilst he makes too many errors he creates more than he fucks up
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@MrDenmore said in All Blacks v Pumas:
Confidently predict this will be the last game McKenzie plays for the All Blacks.
Nup.
Whilst he makes too many errors he creates more than he fucks up
Problem with D Mac is that everyone has worked him out. You just kick bombs at him and he can't deal with them. He needs to sort that out or he is done (as a fullback).
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Pumas:
Fifita holy shit. I find myself not caring about his defense now.
Genuine question: there's questiins re his D?
Made some nice hits.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Pumas:
Our midget back three whilst dynamic ball in hand, have been exposed in the air.
Let's all say a collective prayer for Moody's recovery. His form this year has been world class.
Liked and quoted for emphasis
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Pumas:
Fifita holy shit. I find myself not caring about his defense now.
Genuine question: there's questiins re his D?
Made some nice hits.
I thought he looked a bit lost on defense first half. First test start so not unusual. Got better towards the end.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Pumas:
Lima 10. Barrett 15. Looks good. Should start the game like that.
That's not the worst idea
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@taniwharugby And bring Mo'unga into the squad to cover 10 from the bench. Because it should be exit for Dmac.
Nup
You'd still have 2 10s in the squad.
And I don't quite agree.
I'd keep Dmac in the wider squad.
The otger option is:
15 Dagg
14 NMS
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@canefan said in All Blacks v Pumas:
After playing that well tonight I'm sure the argies will fold against the wobs next week.....
Did they play that well?
Started okish without creating try scoring chances.
Kept the score close.
Not in it after BB was binned.
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@Rocky-Rockbottom said in All Blacks v Pumas:
Justin Fucking Marshall shrieking at us like his frosted tips have just caught fire and melted down into his tiny fucken brain.
I just belly laughed at this. Cheers.
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@Mokey said in All Blacks v Pumas:
Barely heard SBWs name. What a difference when Lima came on, the back line seemed to settle, and his goalkicking was excellent.
Didn't like the look of Moody's injury.
Happy with the win, but going to be next level at Albany. The Boks will have the back line the Argies don't.Agree with most if that Mokes but even if SBW was quiet I thought he was solid
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@hydro11 said in All Blacks v Pumas:
Three problems tonight:
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Our kicking game was poor. Argentina regathered too many kicks (4 in the first ten minutes of the half against McKenzie). I think McKenzie is probably too small to be a 15 but I would like to be wrong about that. Barrett also missed kicks at goal and some of his chip kicks were poorly timed.
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We got muscled at the ruck. I think Romano is just a class below our other locks (including Scott Barrett). Ardie Savea is an interesting case. I should point out that he did make 14 tackles which was the most of any player in the game and he only played 43 minutes. I don't think I have seen a player get through that much defensive work in such a short space of time. Fifita was great but I'm still not convinced by him. We all knew he was a good ball runner - it's the other aspects of his game where he needs to put in the work.
3). We made too many mistakes. Some of the passes were poor but we did put the Argies under a lot of pressure.
The Positives:
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We were terrific with ball in hand when we kept the ball. Argentina missed a third of their tackles and we ran three times as many metres.
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Our set piece was fantastic. We lost one lineout (which turned out to be critical) but won the rest. Ofa came on and scrummed very well which is pleasing given we have a few injury problems.
If I can add a negative for us/positive for them: their aork at the breakdown was awesome especially Creevy
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@hydro11 said in All Blacks v Pumas:
Three problems tonight:
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Our kicking game was poor. Argentina regathered too many kicks (4 in the first ten minutes of the half against McKenzie). I think McKenzie is probably too small to be a 15 but I would like to be wrong about that. Barrett also missed kicks at goal and some of his chip kicks were poorly timed.
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We got muscled at the ruck. I think Romano is just a class below our other locks (including Scott Barrett). Ardie Savea is an interesting case. I should point out that he did make 14 tackles which was the most of any player in the game and he only played 43 minutes. I don't think I have seen a player get through that much defensive work in such a short space of time. Fifita was great but I'm still not convinced by him. We all knew he was a good ball runner - it's the other aspects of his game where he needs to put in the work.
3). We made too many mistakes. Some of the passes were poor but we did put the Argies under a lot of pressure.
The Positives:
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We were terrific with ball in hand when we kept the ball. Argentina missed a third of their tackles and we ran three times as many metres.
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Our set piece was fantastic. We lost one lineout (which turned out to be critical) but won the rest. Ofa came on and scrummed very well which is pleasing given we have a few injury problems.
If I can add a negative for us/positive for them: their aork at the breakdown was awesome especially Creevy
... although that's effectively point 2
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All-in-all, an odd performance from the ABs.
Hansen set the ball in motion, by selecting a team that's a fair way short of the top line-up. Fair enough, he doesn't have Ben Smith or Owen Franks and apparently Kaino is away fixing his life - but, he sent a pretty clear message that he doesn't rate the Argies as a legitimate threat by also resting Sam Whitelock, Liam Squire, Aaron Smith, Ryan Crotty and Rieko Ioane - and benching Sam Cane.
From his post-match comments, it seems like Beauden's arsing about with silly little kicks in his own 22 in the early minutes were largely BB's invention and not part of the gameplan - you'd certainly hope not. Maybe the main thing he did was unsettle himself, because his goal-kicking went to the pack. He used to be a dead-eye dick goal-kicker but, on current form, you could certainly see him costing us a RWC knock-out game. People suggesting the reigning World Rugby Player of the Year should be shifted to fullback and I'm inclined to agree with them. Longer-term, maybe Jordie has to play fullback and kick the goals - Ben Smith to finish back on the wing?
More question marks over Romano, Ardie, SBW and DMac.
Winners tonight - Moody (apart from the broken arm), Fifita, Sopoaga - and a bunch of guys who didn't play.
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@Rocky-Rockbottom said in All Blacks v Pumas:
Tough getting used to this new post 2007-2015 team. Nonu and Conrad, Mccaw and ffs MCCAW. Now we’ve got these Lienert Browns and Dmacs and Ardies and the contrails of whatever it is SBW & Dagg do and they’re just not as fucken good as before. Yes, takes time, blah blah but
And, don't forget Danny-Boy Carter and those goals he kicked when we needed them.
Right now, we've got "Groin-pulled Piri" as our starting kicker!
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That was an enjoyable test, spirited opposition playing their asses off for 60 minutes again. I hope Sanchez finds those Argentinean girls in the Leopard suits later.
Just quickly:
- Don't kick it, pass it.
- Fifita is our new hashtag beastmode.
- You can spot the point every time that Dmac finally thinks "Hey! I'm an All Black! I shouldn't be running sideways!". He just looks inexperienced, not ready for this level. He's genuinely exciting but shithouse decisions and ATD, that kick off the side of the boot was substitution-level I reckon.
- Moody was amazing, arm looked bad though.
- SBW didn't stand out because he didn't fuck up so much, he did jack shit else, his place in in serious threat, back to not being able to box very well either, possibly Warriors? Food Bill.
- Read and Dagg should be the second and third choices for most people in the frustrating POM thread.
- How long do we put up Beauden's kicking before it becomes a Spencer-level problem?
- We got better when we changed halfbacks again, I don't know whether to blame Perenara or Smith or the game, TKB went well.
- I was swearing a lot at Angus Gardiner, at one stage demanded to know where he lived.
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I struggle to see how Savea got close to 14 tackles, unless they're counting missed tackles and putting your hand on a player someone else is tackling.
I decided to watch him closely in the first half and despite being ineffective at the breakdown a lot, as I already said his ability to not have to make tackles was remarkable for an openside. Was noticeable he would often be in the second wave of pressure if Argies got sent backwards and or spilled the ball in a previous phase. But not always effect that pressure more.
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Watched the game while babysitting my 2 year old granddaughter so was a bit distracted,
But is it my imagination or has our game become more error ridden ? It's starting to become habitual.
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks v Pumas:
Geez, they just replayed several of those Argies' high balls. That looked really bad for Dmac. Missed all of them. If opposition teams do their homework, expect him being targeted in every game he plays.
I actually think on at least 2 of those other ABs who were close to the ball should have called and taken them - it was odd that the guy furtherest from the ball was coming in to take those kicks.
That was pretty much a B and a half team and they ran in lots of tries so I'm satisfied with the win.
