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All Blacks v Pumas

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  • Rancid SchnitzelR Offline
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    Fifita makes multiple people on SF look like farking idiots.

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    • MokeyM Mokey

      Barely heard SBWs name. What a difference when Lima came on, the back line seemed to settle, and his goalkicking was excellent.
      Didn't like the look of Moody's injury.
      Happy with the win, but going to be next level at Albany. The Boks will have the back line the Argies don't.

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      @Mokey said in All Blacks v Pumas:

      Barely heard SBWs name. What a difference when Lima came on, the back line seemed to settle, and his goalkicking was excellent.
      Didn't like the look of Moody's injury.
      Happy with the win, but going to be next level at Albany. The Boks will have the back line the Argies don't.

      I mentioned to my mates the other day that BB was the best player who played 10 for the ABs, but not the best 10. For me game management was much better once Lima was in the driver's seat.

      Said this before, but 10-12 combo can be additive or dysfunctional.

      Crudes-SBW bought out the best in both, likewise Carter-Nonu, whereas Carter-SBW and Crudes-Nonu never seemed to gel.

      Likewise BB-Crotty is great for both, whereas BB-SBW seems 'clunky'. I, too, thought Lima-SBW seemed to work better.

      Would be keen to see A.Smith-Lima-SBW-Crotty start against Boks, with BB at 15. Rieko at 11, with real competition for 14.

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        I was impressed with Fifita's first start. Equally underwhelmed yet again with Savea at openside and McKenzie at fullback.

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          With Fifita and Squire both having speed, I wonder whether Ardie is needed on the bench, even without Todd.

          Very happily proven wrong, so far, about Fifita. He looks like the future.

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            Finished. The final scoreline was a fair enough reflection on the game. Despite leading and having an extra player, Argentina had nothing left at that stage.

            Few points.

            -The backline has some serious issues. BB and SBW don't seem to work, but the entire backline doesn't seem to function very well. I don't know if it's tactics or alignment, but it seems so disjointed. I'd like to see Laumape at 12 with Crotty. Positives were TJP and NMS. Thought NMS had an excellent game and TJP was pretty well faultless.

            • Fifita was terrific. I don't wish to brag, but as one of the very few who defended his selection this season, the naysayers can line up to suckle on my sack.
            • I actually didn't think Dmac was that bad, but I agree those high balls are a major concern. Some of them he had no business calling.
              -BB needs to get his kicking sorted. Some games he kicks like a dream, others your heart is in your mouth every time. Thought he played OK otherwise. Don't see any reason to shift him to fb. Lima had a fine cameo and I rate him big time, but the Argies were pretty friar tucked when he came on.
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              Fifita could well be the impact forward we have been looking for ,

              If Kaino is nearly finished , Squire starting , Fifita coming on later could be something they look at .

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              • kiwiinmelbK kiwiinmelb

                Fifita could well be the impact forward we have been looking for ,

                If Kaino is nearly finished , Squire starting , Fifita coming on later could be something they look at .

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                @kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v Pumas:

                Fifita could well be the impact forward we have been looking for ,

                If Kaino is nearly finished , Squire starting , Fifita coming on later could be something they look at .

                I'm not so sure that will get the big moments out of him. Although he had some absolutely fantastic moments he also had quite a bit of time wandering around lost. That will change with experience but he looks to me like the type of player that needs a lot of minutes playing to produce the flashes of brilliance.
                You can't deny the athleticism but to expect that to happen in a 20 minute spell is expecting a lot.

                I'll go into bat for DMac as well. Those were perfectly weighted and placed kicks. The type we have seen BFA shell often as well. I don't mind the running sideways so much as he will stop that at this level now he has seen it doesn't work as well as it does in Super Rugby. FFS he has to try and play to his strengths and things that have worked in the past for him to see if they work. He was mindful to make sure he linked properly when no gap appeared and it never cost us ground or possession.

                Thought he played much better than BB in that game and no one is having a crack at him apart from goal kicking.

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                  Put me on the Sopoaga starting next week band wagon - with BB @ fullback, and NMS/Ioane on the wings - Nice.
                  DMac is done for now. The Boks would love him to start - so that can't be a good thing.

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                  • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

                    @Stockcar86 said in All Blacks v Pumas:

                    Finally Laumape ALB combo

                    For a good solid 3 minutes 🙂

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                    @ACT-Crusader Are you saying that in contrast to SBW and ALB because I thought they were great tonight. Especially when SBW was crashing the ball up.

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                      TSF is harsh on DMac ... yeah he coughed up the high balls which is an issue but his positional play and opportunity creation was fine.

                      Savea is a bench 7,Cane is the starter.

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                      • MajorPomM MajorPom

                        TSF is harsh on DMac ... yeah he coughed up the high balls which is an issue but his positional play and opportunity creation was fine.

                        Savea is a bench 7,Cane is the starter.

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                        @MajorRage hmmm...never been around for a game with Dagg at fullback?

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                        • BonesB Bones

                          @MajorRage hmmm...never been around for a game with Dagg at fullback?

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                          @Bones not sure of point?

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                            @Bones not sure of point?

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                            @MajorRage said in All Blacks v Pumas:

                            @Bones not sure of point?

                            It's early he might not have had a coffee yet

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                              @Bones not sure of point?

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                              @MajorRage tsf isn't harsh on DMac. He's just a bit cake and I've seen Dagg cop all sorts of grief for not being Ben Smith.

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                              • BonesB Bones

                                @MajorRage tsf isn't harsh on DMac. He's just a bit cake and I've seen Dagg cop all sorts of grief for not being Ben Smith.

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                                @Bones gotcha ...

                                Not saying he doesn't deserve criticism ... but his good points from last night (and there were many) seem to have been forgotten. Hence, harsh.

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                                • BonesB Bones

                                  @MajorRage tsf isn't harsh on DMac. He's just a bit cake and I've seen Dagg cop all sorts of grief for not being Ben Smith.

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                                  @Bones said in All Blacks v Pumas:

                                  @MajorRage tsf isn't harsh on DMac. He's just a bit cake and I've seen Dagg cop all sorts of grief for not being Ben Smith.

                                  I think you calling him cake kind of makes MRs point. He's had mixed games but the focus around here is only on the errors. Certain players get their errors focused on and certain players get them excused ... that's always the way around here, and that's not going to change, DMac gets his focused on.

                                  Damn, MR beat me and made my point more succinctly.

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                                  • NepiaN Nepia

                                    @Bones said in All Blacks v Pumas:

                                    @MajorRage tsf isn't harsh on DMac. He's just a bit cake and I've seen Dagg cop all sorts of grief for not being Ben Smith.

                                    I think you calling him cake kind of makes MRs point. He's had mixed games but the focus around here is only on the errors. Certain players get their errors focused on and certain players get them excused ... that's always the way around here, and that's not going to change, DMac gets his focused on.

                                    Damn, MR beat me and made my point more succinctly.

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                                    @Nepia I said a bit cake and that's definitely not harsh. His good points last night are what you would expect of a test player, other than that he made one very nice break, although that should probably have been shifted earlier.

                                    What makes him a bit cake is the errors, the running around like a headless chook. That's not harsh.

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                                    • BonesB Bones

                                      @Nepia I said a bit cake and that's definitely not harsh. His good points last night are what you would expect of a test player, other than that he made one very nice break, although that should probably have been shifted earlier.

                                      What makes him a bit cake is the errors, the running around like a headless chook. That's not harsh.

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                                      @Bones Fair enough, I took 'a bit cake', to just mean 'cake'.

                                      Anyway, as MR said, no one thinks he didn't make some errors, but my point is they do seem to be focussed on more than errors made by other players in the team ....

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                                        Errors made by a fullback are more likely to cost points. That is a good reason why they receive more attention.

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                                        • NepiaN Nepia

                                          @Bones Fair enough, I took 'a bit cake', to just mean 'cake'.

                                          Anyway, as MR said, no one thinks he didn't make some errors, but my point is they do seem to be focussed on more than errors made by other players in the team ....

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                                          @Nepia you've got to admit his stand out and as said are costly or can be costly. At times he looks like how I imagine Beaker would play rugby.

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