Pumas v All Blacks
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@tim said in Pumas v All Blacks:
@tim Think we lack McCaw's leadership. Hallmark of his team was ability to go back to basics.
Gold, replyingto your own post
@taniwharugby You've got to reply to the best post to make the strongest point.
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@tim said in Pumas v All Blacks:
@tim Think we lack McCaw's leadership. Hallmark of his team was ability to go back to basics.
At about the 55th minute mark we had had no ball for the last 10 minutes. We had the ball from a scrum and Perenara just grubber kicked it away. That's an example of a time where we just need to be a bit smarter.
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@gt12 said in Pumas v All Blacks:
It's a good point that right now we only seem to have one game plan.
Kind of feels like we've returned to the 2000s - we'll score 50 if it works or it'll be a wrestle if it doesn't.
I would hope that players like Barrett, TJP, and McKenzie consider that (or have it put to them).
Do you think we're just concentrating on one style at the moment. We might change it up for the EOYT.
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@tim said in Pumas v All Blacks:
@tim Think we lack McCaw's leadership. Hallmark of his team was ability to go back to basics.
At about the 55th minute mark we had had no ball for the last 10 minutes. We had the ball from a scrum and Perenara just grubber kicked it away. That's an example of a time where we just need to be a bit smarter.
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@hydro11 The grubber kick that went dead was one of the worst plays of the game. Dumb as shit.
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@tim said in Pumas v All Blacks:
@tim Think we lack McCaw's leadership. Hallmark of his team was ability to go back to basics.
Carter at 10 too a huge factor there.
@kiwimurph said in Pumas v All Blacks:
@tim said in Pumas v All Blacks:
@tim Think we lack McCaw's leadership. Hallmark of his team was ability to go back to basics.
Carter at 10 too a huge factor there.
We were better under late McCaw (I remember Cardiff and how uncomposed that team was).
And that was largely Cruden.
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@gt12 said in Pumas v All Blacks:
It's a good point that right now we only seem to have one game plan.
Kind of feels like we've returned to the 2000s - we'll score 50 if it works or it'll be a wrestle if it doesn't.
I would hope that players like Barrett, TJP, and McKenzie consider that (or have it put to them).
Do you think we're just concentrating on one style at the moment. We might change it up for the EOYT.
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@tim said in Pumas v All Blacks:
@tim Think we lack McCaw's leadership. Hallmark of his team was ability to go back to basics.
Carter at 10 too a huge factor there.
@kiwimurph said in Pumas v All Blacks:
@tim said in Pumas v All Blacks:
@tim Think we lack McCaw's leadership. Hallmark of his team was ability to go back to basics.
Carter at 10 too a huge factor there.
Actually I think the Nonu-Smith combo is a much bigger factor. SBW and ALB might throw the odd miracle ball but neither is a patch on their respective predecessors, particularly in terms of passing and being able to take some pressure off the flyhalf.
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@kiwimurph said in Pumas v All Blacks:
@tim said in Pumas v All Blacks:
@tim Think we lack McCaw's leadership. Hallmark of his team was ability to go back to basics.
Carter at 10 too a huge factor there.
Actually I think the Nonu-Smith combo is a much bigger factor. SBW and ALB might throw the odd miracle ball but neither is a patch on their respective predecessors, particularly in terms of passing and being able to take some pressure off the flyhalf.
Also an excellent point.
I thought both SBW and ALB looked better tonight.
There were two or three times when ALB made just the right decision defending the outside break, stopping things cold. I used to hate that situation so much, and it was a huge strength of Smiths. If he can get accurate at that, we'll be in a great defensive situation going forward with Crotty also around.
I also liked it how ALB got more involved once SBW went off too.
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@nepia said in Pumas v All Blacks:
Lucky TVs are wide screen now or Bates' ears wouldn't be in the frame!
and high for Webers forehead
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@nepia said in Pumas v All Blacks:
Lucky TVs are wide screen now or Bates' ears wouldn't be in the frame!
@nepia said in Pumas v All Blacks:
Lucky TVs are wide screen now or Bates' ears wouldn't be in the frame!
Fuck off out of a decent rugby team thread
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What a dreadful second half that was.
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First test match I've thought McKenzie could be a keeper. By far his best match in Black. Barrett was good in the 1st 40. As was SBW. 2nd half was pretty muck.
As for Laurie Mains and Rugby Clichés 101 "The Pumas have a good scrum". Um, no they don't. Their scrum has been poor this RC, and was once again very average.
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First test match I've thought McKenzie could be a keeper. By far his best match in Black. Barrett was good in the 1st 40. As was SBW. 2nd half was pretty muck.
As for Laurie Mains and Rugby Clichés 101 "The Pumas have a good scrum". Um, no they don't. Their scrum has been poor this RC, and was once again very average.
@billy-tell said in Pumas v All Blacks:
First test match I've thought McKenzie could be a keeper. By far his best match in Black. Barrett was good in the 1st 40. As was SBW. 2nd half was pretty muck.
As for Laurie Mains and Rugby Clichés 101 "The Pumas have a good scrum". Um, no they don't. Their scrum has been poor this RC, and was once again very average.
Yup. The Pumas have had a good scrum in the past. The B side scrum smashed them today, made worse by the Argies terrible technique. (Case in point, the guy who got sent off for his plank-like engage.)
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@billy-tell said in Pumas v All Blacks:
First test match I've thought McKenzie could be a keeper. By far his best match in Black. Barrett was good in the 1st 40. As was SBW. 2nd half was pretty muck.
As for Laurie Mains and Rugby Clichés 101 "The Pumas have a good scrum". Um, no they don't. Their scrum has been poor this RC, and was once again very average.
Yup. The Pumas have had a good scrum in the past. The B side scrum smashed them today, made worse by the Argies terrible technique. (Case in point, the guy who got sent off for his plank-like engage.)
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Missed the second half live so logged off the thread. Watched replay yesterday arvo so will pipe up with my remaining 2c now ...
@tim said in Pumas v All Blacks:
@mokey It's definitely been a big step up.
Yeah nah not really. He's been playing well over most of the season. His errors in previous games have been highly visible though. Subsequently any other errors just serve people's confirmation bias. He wasn't by any means error free yesterday but they were less consequential. And he got outjumped at least once, short arse. And his attack was as potent as it has been all year.
I think he'd been harshly judged previously. But once you get a reputation, deserved or otherwise, you're not shaking it for some considerable time.
Perhaps he was slightly better ie a couple less errors but not a "big" step up.
My MOTM.
