Blues 2018
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Intel on players who will not be there next year. The following players profiles have been moved to the Blues website 2017 'past players' page along with those already transferred out..
Matt Vaega
Brandon Nansen
Sam Prattley
Declan O'Donnell
Plus obviously Guyton and Faiva who were already replaced.
I think Tom Robinson may get Nansen's place as he impressed last pre season before his long term injury. Any wish lists or speculations on others?@daffy-jaffy Nice find.
Interesting that Taramai isn't on that list. His best position is 7, but there are three good 7s in the squad already (Gibson, Pryor, Papali'i). Really not sure about him covering number 8.
Disappointed to see Vaega has left. Maybe replacing Fekitoa at the Highlanders?
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@daffy-jaffy Nice find.
Interesting that Taramai isn't on that list. His best position is 7, but there are three good 7s in the squad already (Gibson, Pryor, Papali'i). Really not sure about him covering number 8.
Disappointed to see Vaega has left. Maybe replacing Fekitoa at the Highlanders?
@tim I was just thinking the same thing. There seems to be many stronger options out there for a loose forward utility. (Matich or especially the fijian guy from Taranaki comes to mind). Maybe Papalii will be developed as an 8-6 he has bulked up alot.
If that list is complete I am also surprised they kept Trainor as he could not even keep a place in the Auckland team and seems a bit frail for super level to me. -
@tim I was just thinking the same thing. There seems to be many stronger options out there for a loose forward utility. (Matich or especially the fijian guy from Taranaki comes to mind). Maybe Papalii will be developed as an 8-6 he has bulked up alot.
If that list is complete I am also surprised they kept Trainor as he could not even keep a place in the Auckland team and seems a bit frail for super level to me. -
was hoping Tamati Tua would get a shot for the Blues, he looked on track for a huge season alongside Goodhue until he got injured, and in his brief time after he came back looked strong!
Looks quick enough to cover wing to add some versatility to his mid-field play
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@daffy-jaffy Pretty sure Trainor was signed for 2017 and 18 in 2016.
Halafihi has signed for a French team. Would've been a good option though.
@tim Yes I was aware of that. It was Sowakula that I was thinking of.
It may depend on where they see Tupou as a lock or loose forward.
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was hoping Tamati Tua would get a shot for the Blues, he looked on track for a huge season alongside Goodhue until he got injured, and in his brief time after he came back looked strong!
Looks quick enough to cover wing to add some versatility to his mid-field play
@taniwharugby I expect him to make it. He trained with them all last season. They only have SBW, Faiane and Moala at present. Tua would be 'like for like' replacement for Vaega. I wonder if they might also take a punt on young NZ u20 centre Loketi Manu as 5th midfeilder.
They also need 1 tight head and 1 loose head prop which will be important for depth on the bench. -
@taniwharugby I expect him to make it. He trained with them all last season. They only have SBW, Faiane and Moala at present. Tua would be 'like for like' replacement for Vaega. I wonder if they might also take a punt on young NZ u20 centre Loketi Manu as 5th midfeilder.
They also need 1 tight head and 1 loose head prop which will be important for depth on the bench.@daffy-jaffy said in Blues 2018:
young NZ u20 centre Loketi Manu
Are he and Tumua Manu related? They both play for College Rifles.
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@taniwharugby I expect him to make it. He trained with them all last season. They only have SBW, Faiane and Moala at present. Tua would be 'like for like' replacement for Vaega. I wonder if they might also take a punt on young NZ u20 centre Loketi Manu as 5th midfeilder.
They also need 1 tight head and 1 loose head prop which will be important for depth on the bench.@daffy-jaffy are apparently a few franchises having a look at Ross Wright who was very good this season at loosehead.
Namatahi Waa and Howard Sililoto both very good props, but both were injured in week 2 and 5 respecitively.
Waa has been in the Blues system for a couple of seasons too.
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@taniwharugby I expect him to make it. He trained with them all last season. They only have SBW, Faiane and Moala at present. Tua would be 'like for like' replacement for Vaega. I wonder if they might also take a punt on young NZ u20 centre Loketi Manu as 5th midfeilder.
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@daffy-jaffy Would expect to see Mike Tamoaieta selected at tighthead? With Marcel Renata in the WTS?
@tim Tamoaieta started ahead of Mafaleo all season which says something, although I thought his fitness and scrummaging were found out a bit towards the end of the season by more experienced props. But with full time training and coaching he could be good. I like Renata's energy around the field and he is always near the top of tackle counts. However his scrummaging is a major work on and a risk at super level. This Maori tour should be good for him. Would love to get Fahamokoia out of Wellington for loose head. He would be great off the bench. Love those Tongan props. I heard a while ago that Angus Ta'avao did not have a contract. He would bring experience and his scrummaging has been more consistant since being with Taranaki.
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@daffy-jaffy said in Blues 2018:
young NZ u20 centre Loketi Manu
Are he and Tumua Manu related? They both play for College Rifles.
@tim Don't know that sorry, seems likely though.
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If the Blues "past players" page is accurate, then the following 34 players are confirmed. Squads can be up to 38 + injury cover + WTG.
Props
Pauliasi Manu
Alex Hodgman
Ofa Tu'ungafasi
Sione MafileoHooker
James Parsons
Matt Moulds
Leni ApisaiLock
Patrick Tuipulotu
Scott Scrafton
Gerard Cowley-Tuioti
Josh GoodhueLoose Forward
Blake Gibson (7)
Jerome Kaino (6,8)
Akira Ioane (6,8)
Jimmy Tupou (6, lock)
Dalton Papali'i (6, 7)
Kara Pryor (7)
Murphy Taramai (6,7,8)Halfback
Augustine Pulu
Sam Nock
Jonathan Ruru1st 5
Stephen Perofeta
Otere Black
Bryn GatlandMidfield
SBW
George Moala
Rieko Ioane
T.J. Faiane
Matty JohnsonWing/Fullback
Matt Duffie
Melani Nanai
Michael Collins
Jordan Trainor
Caleb ClarkeOut
Charlie Faumaina
Steven Luatua
Ihaia West
Piers Francis
Rene Ranger
Sam Prattley
Billy Guyton
Declan O'Donnell
Branden Nansen
Matt VaegaThis leaves four players + 1st 5 injury cover to be named. The four are probably a loosehead prop, a tighthead prop, a lock, and a loose forward. Maybe another back in place of lock/loose-forward.
My guesses: Ross Wright (prefer Chris Eves) and Mike Tamoaieta for the props, and Marty McKenzie for replacement 10. Lock and loose-forward I have no idea. For lock I guess Robinson and Frizell might be options. Manihera or Moala-Liava'a at 8.
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Likely XXIII:
- Hodgman
- Parsons
- Tu'ungafasi
- Tuipulotu
- Scrafton
- Kaino
- Gibson
- Ioane
- Pulu
- Perofeta
-- now the speculation starts -- - Ioane
- Faiane
- SBW
- Nanai
- Duffie
-- reserves are more predictable -- - Moulds
- Manu
- Tamoaieta
- Cowley-Tuioti
- Pryor/Papali'i/Taramai
- Nock
- Gatland
- Moala
Key question for the starting line-up: when is Scrafton back from injury. We rely on him heavily for set piece proficiency and organisation. We need an able replacement for that role.
I really like those tight-five replacements to put some heat on at set-piece in the 2nd half. It'd be great to have a ball-carrying 8 on the bench, especially with Kaino likely to have a lighter workload.
Midfield combo will be a big selection question. A lot of talent outside them.
Pulu's form may be the key. Really hoping for a big year from Nock.
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If the Blues "past players" page is accurate, then the following 34 players are confirmed. Squads can be up to 38 + injury cover + WTG.
Props
Pauliasi Manu
Alex Hodgman
Ofa Tu'ungafasi
Sione MafileoHooker
James Parsons
Matt Moulds
Leni ApisaiLock
Patrick Tuipulotu
Scott Scrafton
Gerard Cowley-Tuioti
Josh GoodhueLoose Forward
Blake Gibson (7)
Jerome Kaino (6,8)
Akira Ioane (6,8)
Jimmy Tupou (6, lock)
Dalton Papali'i (6, 7)
Kara Pryor (7)
Murphy Taramai (6,7,8)Halfback
Augustine Pulu
Sam Nock
Jonathan Ruru1st 5
Stephen Perofeta
Otere Black
Bryn GatlandMidfield
SBW
George Moala
Rieko Ioane
T.J. Faiane
Matty JohnsonWing/Fullback
Matt Duffie
Melani Nanai
Michael Collins
Jordan Trainor
Caleb ClarkeOut
Charlie Faumaina
Steven Luatua
Ihaia West
Piers Francis
Rene Ranger
Sam Prattley
Billy Guyton
Declan O'Donnell
Branden Nansen
Matt VaegaThis leaves four players + 1st 5 injury cover to be named. The four are probably a loosehead prop, a tighthead prop, a lock, and a loose forward. Maybe another back in place of lock/loose-forward.
My guesses: Ross Wright (prefer Chris Eves) and Mike Tamoaieta for the props, and Marty McKenzie for replacement 10. Lock and loose-forward I have no idea. For lock I guess Robinson and Frizell might be options. Manihera or Moala-Liava'a at 8.
@tim Tom Robinson may be the 5th lock and my choice for 1st/5 cover would be Jade Te Rure. Just compared Vaega and Johnson's stats for the Mitre 10 and Johnson's stack up pretty well. He made 12 clean breaks to Vaega's 15 with much less game time and in a struggling team. Defense seems to be Vaega's major work on at only 73% (missed 22 tackles), although Johnsons was not perfect at 82%.
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@tim Tom Robinson may be the 5th lock and my choice for 1st/5 cover would be Jade Te Rure. Just compared Vaega and Johnson's stats for the Mitre 10 and Johnson's stack up pretty well. He made 12 clean breaks to Vaega's 15 with much less game time and in a struggling team. Defense seems to be Vaega's major work on at only 73% (missed 22 tackles), although Johnsons was not perfect at 82%.
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@tim although Bond would be a good option too, very good tight lock!
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@taniwharugby With any luck, Goodhue will step up too.
@tim yeah he started to really step up this year, missed a couple of easy tackles going for the big hits, but throws himself about and when our dysfunctional lineout was functioing, it was usually with him there.
